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Talkin' Finances 

Post#1 » by 3-Pt_Shooter » Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:21 pm

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First, some assumptions. If we assume that Adam Morrison’s rights are renounced (as certain as certain gets), Jordan Farmar’s rights are renounced ($2.8 mil), and Shannon Brown opts out ($2.2 mil), both of which are highly probable, the Lakers will have $81,728,202 in salary under contract (not including bonuses). The luxury tax will come in at around $68 million according to the NBA front office. Doing the quick math, this implies that the Lakers will have $109 million in player costs this upcoming season. This is a little bit less than last year’s $112 million, but it is also assuming that the Lakers don’t re-sign Derek Fisher, DJ Mbenga, or Josh Powell. Needless to say, the Lakers are taking it up the wazoo from the luxury tax, and every dollar that we spend is doubled (refer to Larry Coon’s Salary Cap FAQ for more details).


How the Lakers front office decides to move forward should be interesting to say the least. They need to bolster their bench without taking away any of the key guys.

This also includes the Mid-Level Exception, the only tool available to the Lakers to sign free agents due to being over the salary cap (way over in our case). The value of the MLE is dependent on the average salary of all NBA players, and usually floats somewhere between $5-6 million. In the case of the Lakers (and any team over the luxury tax), the use of the MLE is actually $10-12 million dollars due to the doubling effect of the luxury tax. So if the Lakers actually want to use the MLE, they’ll have to keep in mind that doing so puts them at $119-121 million dollars in player costs next season (and even moreso beyond).


Mr. Buss (the greatest owner in the world) has never been afraid of spending money to bring in the right guys, but it most be tough to keep taking it in the shorts.

Of the 6 players listed above, the one’s that I think are “most likely” to return are Derek Fisher and Josh Powell. As Kobe stated in his postgame interviews, Derek Fisher is the heart and soul of this team, and I find it difficult envisioning this Laker team without Fisher next year. Rest assured, Fisher won’t be signing for $7-8 million like the Fox11 crew were trying to shove down my throat. The minimum salary for a 10+ year veteran (Fisher is a 14 year veteran) will be $1.35 million, and the best part is that it doesn’t count against the luxury tax, so no doubling. I have an inkling that Fisher will be fine with $1.35 million, especially considering that other teams are not likely to pay him any more than that.


I like the idea of signing Fish to the vet minimum. It makes financial sense for the Lakers. But lets hope that Fish is content with it as well. And since I see him as the ultimate "team guy" he probably will for the betterment of the team.

Assuming the Lakers re-sign Derek Fisher and Josh Powell for their respective minimum salaries and they keep both 2nd round picks, that brings the Lakers total player costs to $112 million, exactly the same as last year’s player costs. (Update: The veteran’s minimum exception is only the amount above the 2-yr veteran’s minimum amount, so the Lakers still have to pay the 2-yr veteran’s minimum to both Fisher and Powell if this were to happen. Thus, the Lakers total player costs would actually be closer to $113-114 million. Thanks to Exick for the correction). This precludes, however, the usage of the Mid-Level Exception. The best thing about the Mid-Level Exception is that it can be broken up into pieces. If the Lakers only want to use $3 mil of the MLE, they can use that much and renounce the rest. Some names that have been brought up in the comments include Steve Blake, Dorell Wright, and Earl Watson in order to fill the void at PG that would result in Farmar and Brown’s simultaneous departure. Fisher is also not getting any younger, and the need to groom a suitable replacement grows more pressing with every year (although Fisher really knows how to turn it on during the playoffs). None of the three guys above deserves a full $5 million in my opinion, so I expect the Lakers to try and sign them or someone like them for a little less than that, say $3-4 million, and pocket the rest.


This was a great article on the financial state of the Lakers, it really put things into perspective for me. The Lakers definitely have some options in front of them and it will be very interesting to see how the best professional organization proceeds in the off-season.
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Post#2 » by stunnar0b » Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:55 pm

the FO should think endless wallet considering all the revenue its going to get once we three-peat
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Post#3 » by supaflash » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:02 pm

This is what I have been thinking, so many people are like bring in this guy and this, but we are very limited on what we can actually do. Bringing back certain guys is basically a must because of the re-signing vet rule. Fish most certainly, because of how big a part of the team he is but also to fill a spot without using MLE. Same goes for Powell/DJ.

There are other things to take into consideration too, when it comes to Buss 'taking it in the pants' so to speak. We get a bonus for being champs and the revenue from the finals and all the playoff home games is substantial. Plus the Staples and minority owning billionaires help too.

Basically when Buss inked all these deals and extensions, he committed to luxury tax hell for 3/4 years no matter what, so he knew this was coming.

This is another reason why I think they may try to move Bynum for multiple pieces and/or try and package him with Sasha or Luke.
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Post#4 » by ChampagnePapa » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:29 pm

I agree, with Odom, artest, bynum, kobe, pau, we're roughing it...toss in sasha and luke being vastly overpaid, its going to be tough to move bad contracts until later in the FA when the stars have settled and teams know what type of salary they can take on in a trade, which is tough to work out now that teams will be settling in on final rosters by then...its going to be a tricky summer if the lakers want to get creative...really simple summer if they decide to play a re-run and i can't wait to watch what happens
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Post#5 » by laduane1 » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:27 am

Just to fill up the empty spots on the team, the lakers will need to spend money. They can say they do not want to spend all they want. I hope they get some money from all the gear fans are buying. I am out over 100 on a few items for the kids.
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Post#6 » by wilhelmthe1st » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:35 am

"the Lakers will have $81,728,202 in salary under contract (not including bonuses). The luxury tax will come in at around $68 million according to the NBA front office. Doing the quick math, this implies that the Lakers will have $109 million in player costs this upcoming season."

If you pay dollar for dollar luxury tax over that $68 million...

82 million (81.728 rounded up) - 68 million = 14 million in luxury tax

82 + 14 = 96 million. where do they get that 109 million from? 13 million in bonuses??
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Post#7 » by One Love » Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:35 am

It is all about the Vet Min... Get Raja & da boys to come on a "ring hunt"...
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Post#8 » by Teen Girl Squad » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:11 am

wilhelmthe1st wrote:"the Lakers will have $81,728,202 in salary under contract (not including bonuses). The luxury tax will come in at around $68 million according to the NBA front office. Doing the quick math, this implies that the Lakers will have $109 million in player costs this upcoming season."

If you pay dollar for dollar luxury tax over that $68 million...

82 million (81.728 rounded up) - 68 million = 14 million in luxury tax

82 + 14 = 96 million. where do they get that 109 million from? 13 million in bonuses??


His math was wrong. The post now has it listed at 94 million, which is correct. That means that assuming the vet min for Fisher and Powell and that some of the MLE is used + 2 draft picks that this years team will roughly have the same payroll as last years. It also shows why Phil is being asked to take a paycut.
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Post#9 » by Mamba Venom » Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:53 am

Please help me understand

If we sign 5 guys to the vet minimum we wont be taxed on those guys

Say Fish, Shaq...
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Post#10 » by Kilroy » Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:54 pm

How much are Sasha and Brown worth as expirings?
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Post#11 » by Teen Girl Squad » Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:16 pm

Mamba Venom wrote:Please help me understand

If we sign 5 guys to the vet minimum we wont be taxed on those guys

Say Fish, Shaq...


Its a bit more complicated than that. I think their salaries are partially taxable but I'm not exactly sure how that works.
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Post#12 » by Hunter103 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:27 am

Interesting. I thought the MLE didn't count against the Luxury Tax in the first year of the contract. I guess it's just the cap.

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