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Re: Jackson: I'm leaning towards retiring pg 3 

Post#41 » by DEEP3CL » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:36 am

My thoughts here........This could be Phil in a friendly game of tug a war with Doc Buss, we keep hearing pay cut but we've yet to hear an exact number. Buss won't screw this up, they'll meet in the middle.

On a different coach.....B.Scott or B.Shaw are the only two in consideration. Buss loves both, he kept Shaw in the fold pretty much after he retired and he's always had a fondness for B.

Shaw knows the Tri inside out, B knows how the fastbreak game goes. Problem is the Tri is what's winning titles and running ain't winning jack for nobody right now. Ask the Mavs, Suns and whoever else that's running. So the edge would go to Shaw, remember Kobe loves both too. But remember when Rudy T left and he asked Coach Hamblem to reinstall the Tri ?

Kobe saw he couldn't win without it, not only that he saw defenses load up on him in Rudy's system. Bottom line the next coach has to run the Tri regardless.
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Re: Jackson: I'm leaning towards retiring pg 3 

Post#42 » by Hunter103 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:11 am

DEEP3CL wrote:My thoughts here........This could be Phil in a friendly game of tug a war with Doc Buss, we keep hearing pay cut but we've yet to hear an exact number. Buss won't screw this up, they'll meet in the middle.

On a different coach.....B.Scott or B.Shaw are the only two in consideration. Buss loves both, he kept Shaw in the fold pretty much after he retired and he's always had a fondness for B.

Shaw knows the Tri inside out, B knows how the fastbreak game goes. Problem is the Tri is what's winning titles and running ain't winning jack for nobody right now. Ask the Mavs, Suns and whoever else that's running. So the edge would go to Shaw, remember Kobe loves both too. But remember when Rudy T left and he asked Coach Hamblem to reinstall the Tri ?

Kobe saw he couldn't win without it, not only that he saw defenses load up on him in Rudy's system. Bottom line the next coach has to run the Tri regardless.



I hope so, I want to see the Triangle run by more teams. If Phil does go, I hope Shaw gets the nod to replace him. Especially after hearing these JVG rumors. :nonono:
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Re: Jackson: I'm leaning towards retiring pg 3 

Post#43 » by Jajwanda » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:33 am

I don't think you necessarily lose titles by running a fast break system. It just tends to work best when you have light big men.

Put Chris Paul on this team and he'll run the fast break as well as half-court just fine. Not only that he'd really extend Kobe's career taking over by far the vast majority of play-making duties. It's not like the fast break can't play defense. It just happens that the personnel that Pheonix and Dallas have ran is utter **** defensively.

Chris Paul would really give you a franchise player that can play for YEARS. The triangle run by B. Shaw? Not so sure.

If Jackson does retire I hope they invest more cash into the team courtesy of the lower paycheck.
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Re: Jackson: I'm leaning towards retiring pg 3 

Post#44 » by Pablo Escobar » Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:27 am

If this team abandons the tri for a fast break style of basketball there goes the 3peat
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Re: Jackson: I'm leaning towards retiring pg 3 

Post#45 » by blix » Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:45 am

not necessarily the case at all. problem with the fast break teams mentioned is that they don't play defense for $hit. If great defense leads to fast break offense, then you're going to be a tough team to knock down. the only thing this team really lacks is a consistently knock down shooter from the outside. if raja bell somehow gets past his injuries, he could very well be the offseason piece LA needs.

lakers have shown they can play fast break and half court. i don't think the offense they run is the main concern when looking for a potential replacement for jackson.
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Re: Jackson: I'm leaning towards retiring pg 3 

Post#46 » by Jajwanda » Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:58 am

It's a major choice but I think it'll be Brian Shaw. They need a personnel upgrade to compensate. They should have about 4.5m extra in payroll flexibility to spend.
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Re: Jackson: I'm leaning towards retiring pg 3 

Post#47 » by LAKESHOW » Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:16 am

first of all, i hope he comes back.

2ndly, ive always advocated for jim cleamons, however, that might not happen.

but if push came to shove i would call for the guy ive never wanted as a coach. kurt rambis. reason? his experience that ive seen in this 1 year with minnesota. very good offensively, the cohesion is starting with those young guys. and that is what we need, to keep the offensive cohesion going. we have the other guys around him, practically the same staff, who would get in defensively the adjustments we would need.
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Post#48 » by chefy » Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:44 am

2 more years jackson Cmon!!!
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Post#49 » by ALL HAIL » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:21 pm

I think he's done. He WON'T choose basketball over his body and I get the feeling that this year was especially tough on his body.

Agree with everyone that the choice will be Shaw.

Not no sure if that's the best decision though.

Will Shaw be able to command, acquire, maintain, and foster the necessary level of respect in that locker room? That's the big thing for me.
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Re: Jackson: I'm leaning towards retiring pg 3 

Post#50 » by Jajwanda » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:26 pm

If your team is a mature one yes he can do it, otherwise it'll be problematic. We don't have all that much of a choice though really. Shaw will hardly get 3m, saving 9m over Phil's salary. If they trade Odom as well that should get them into the cap range they want to be but it'll be a weaker team certainly unless they find a way to provide production for cheap.

If they do decide to go with Byron Scott, the Chris Paul option becomes a possibility.
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Post#51 » by ALL HAIL » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:30 pm

Chris Paul should be an option regardless of who the coach is.

I, for one. liked that Paul-Okafor trade you posted. I don't know how much Okafor makes though (and for how long).
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Re: Jackson: I'm leaning towards retiring pg 3 

Post#52 » by Jajwanda » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:42 pm

It's five years but he's a solid center.

What's the superior team?

PG- Chris Paul, Derek Fisher
SG- Kobe Bryant, Raja Bell
SF- Ron Artest,
PF- Pau Gasol, Udonis Haslem
C- Emeka Okafor, draft pick from NO-LA deal courtesy of a third team for Odom

PG- Fisher, Watson
SG- Bryant, Bell
SF- Ron Artest
PF- Gasol, Odom
C- Bynum
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Re: Jackson: I'm leaning towards retiring pg 3 

Post#53 » by Wile E. Coyote » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:31 pm

Why are so many of you gung-ho about Byron Scott? Is it just because he's a Laker? The guy isn't a great coach. I saw his work in New Orleans and wasn't impressed. I'd rather have Brian Shaw or Van Gundy, for that matter.
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Post#54 » by Wile E. Coyote » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:38 pm

I don't want to give up Odom and Bynum for Paul.

Just not smart.
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Re: Jackson: I'm leaning towards retiring pg 3 

Post#55 » by Jajwanda » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:17 am

If we had another good young big man actually it would be very smart. You're acquiring a Hall-of-Famer. I don't want to hear that big for small bull either. Where that's been proven I have no clue.

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Re: Jackson: I'm leaning towards retiring pg 3 

Post#56 » by iQon » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:23 am

Why are people talking about Brian Shaw? Isn't it pretty much a given that if Kurt (Rambis) didn't inherit the job, it was going to be Byron Scott? Not only is he more qualified than Shaw to coach a team, but he's really high on Kobe's board.

It's safe to say, Shaw will still be an assistant.
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Re: Jackson: I'm leaning towards retiring pg 3 

Post#57 » by Wile E. Coyote » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:26 am

Jajwanda wrote:If we had another good young big man actually it would be very smart. You're acquiring a Hall-of-Famer. I don't want to hear that big for small bull either. Where that's been proven I have no clue.

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Yeah, IF. We don't, so it's not smart.

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