OT - Hinrich to Wizards Goin' Down!

[96 Til Infiniti]

This sucks so bad for Kirk. First playing behind Rose and now Wall.

Nah I think this seals the deal on Arenas. Hinrich will play the 2. Arenas is out-a-here.

Arenas is un-moveable though unless he's cut and we all know WIZ won't take that financial hit.

Orlando today already said No to a Vince for Arenas swap. Everyone is going to say no.

Agree, if Otis Smith (one of Gilbert's closest front office friends) says no it's hard to imagine anyone would say yes to an Arenas trade. However, the NBA's GMs are a very, very special group.

[H00PDREAMS]

man its like when you date someone for like years and then you break up. then right after they break up with you they date someone else for a few weeks and then immediately get married.

[Jajwanda]

Hinrich is almost irrelevant for the Wizards though. The reason they traded for him was the pick and the fact that there is NBA salary minimum. If we offer a trade that includes an Adam Morrison S and T+Sasha+1st we can acquire him. He's useless long-term to the Wizards other than for fulfilling those two obligations.

[ALL HAIL]

I don't know?

Two tall,unselfish PGs and a gunner. Hinrich will help Wall and Hinrich also allows Arenas (if he ain't traded) to remain a SG every time he sees the floor.

Thw three of them IMO make for a very nice three guard rotation.

I think they want to keep him and I think the Wizards will make the playoffs next year.

[Jajwanda]

They're all a bit undersized at SG, but it's possible. I'm not sure which I prefer Jarret Jack or Kirk Hinrich. The former is younger, signed to a nice five year deal and available if Bosh leaves. Kirk Hinrich is the ideal future compliment to Kobe Bryant. Either would be ideal, but Jack's affordability will make the Lakers' management highly interested in a Vujajic based deal.

PG- Jack
SG- Crittenton
SF- Raja Bell/Bobby Simmons
PF- Odom, veteran minimum
C- draft pick

[chefy]

arenas is gone. if bulls doesn't want to pay $9 million to a back up pointguard/shootingguard (even if he has been productive for them) then what more for a team like the wizards thats in complete rebuilding mode.

[Jase]

That deal kills about 26% of the threads on the trade forum.

[mecxi2000]

to be honest this trade increases lakers chances off getting hinrich because now the lakers can make an offer with sasha(expiring), brown or ammo in a s and t and a pick and thats an offer i can se washington agreing with

[Gek]

What happens when the Bulls, Nets, Heat and Knicks don't have enough players to fill their rosters?

[ALL HAIL]

What happens when the Bulls, Nets, Heat and Knicks don't have enough players to fill their rosters?

There is a plethora of talent out there to be had for the minimum ... especially tweeners like Luther Head, Craig Smith, Hakim Warrik, and many other specialty skilled role players (Bonner and Hayes) and all-around skilled role players (Wilkins, Simmons) as well.

Pat Riley is especially good at this. I watched the whole draft to mainly see what he was going to do and if the Knicks would get a player the crowd knew. Pat Riley took two specialty bigs that I guarantee you will get run next year (maybe one will start). He took Starks out of a Safeway and got Anthony Mason from overseas (I believe). Riley will look like a genius if he gets Joe Johnson and Bosh and fills out the rest of the team with minimums.

You have to think that there will be a handful of really good, seasoned guys out there coming off big contracts that'll take the minimum for playing time and a chance to be a part of something special.

[daddyfivestar]

I think I have it:

Sign Ebanks on first day avail - (July 8?) - for 1.65, 1.35, 1.00 (3yr declining / 4 mil - 2 and 3rd years ares team opt which is standard on rookie 2nd rdrs)

Agree in principle with Washington a the deal to be consumated on Aug 8 (1st day Ebanks could be dealt)

Hinrich for Vujacic+Ebanks

They get an expirer and solid potential SF.

[ALL HAIL]

I feel you but I really think they want Hinrich to play behind and alongside Wall.

He really does have a role with them.

Your deal will have serious merit when/if Hinrich stinks it up with Wall and Arenas ...

... but until then, they can actually use his type of skill and attitude set.

Nice to see that you arent emotionally attached to Ebanks though.

[Dr Aki]

I think I have it:

Sign Ebanks on first day avail - (July 8?) - for 1.65, 1.35, 1.00 (3yr declining / 4 mil - 2 and 3rd years ares team opt which is standard on rookie 2nd rdrs)

Agree in principle with Washington a the deal to be consumated on Aug 8 (1st day Ebanks could be dealt)

Hinrich for Vujacic+Ebanks

They get an expirer and solid potential SF.

a few problems for me...
1. you can't offer more than the rookie scale (1st yr: 470k?, 2nd yr: 797k?), unless you cut into your exceptions (in this case, our MLE), you sure you want to offer that to ebanks just to trade sasha for hinrich?
2. why not offer shannon brown to make up salary instead? (2.1mil exp?), hed be cheap to buyout and fairly cheap to return to the lakers. not only can the trade happen in July 8th, but with instant buyout, brown (and sasha, providing hes bought out as well) would be back to the lakers by August 8th anyway.

[daddyfivestar]

Since they said they weren't using the MLE, I didn't think biting into it 1.65 would hurt (and would gladly do it to get Hinrich in P&G).

Chose Ebanks because he has perceived value to fill that 1.65 gap. I've already queried the Wiz posters about Brown, JFar etc. They want none of it. They are flush with PGs (Wall, Gil, Livingston - btw to everyone saying LA should get him, they are 99% sure he's staying), and solid with Gil, Young, Ross, plus the acquisition of Vujacic adds to that. They need a SF or a Big, and they want youth. The only other alternative is Powell, but I am convinced he's going where Bosh goes. I like Ebanks for this purpose.

[ALL HAIL]

^Livingston is not going back to Washington. No effin way.

The Wizard fans are only adamant about him coming back because they know that his game is back and now it's better.

The simple fact that they want him back even with Wall, Hinrich, and Arenas is a testament to how good he was for them.

They didn't trade for Hinrich to move him right away. They made a shrewd move by moving in Hinrich to help ease Wall's transition. i actually like that move for them alot.

I fell you though.

[Dr Aki]

Since they said they weren't using the MLE, I didn't think biting into it 1.65 would hurt (and would gladly do it to get Hinrich in P&G).

Chose Ebanks because he has perceived value to fill that 1.65 gap. I've already queried the Wiz posters about Brown, JFar etc. They want none of it. They are flush with PGs (Wall, Gil, Livingston - btw to everyone saying LA should get him, they are 99% sure he's staying), and solid with Gil, Young, Ross, plus the acquisition of Vujacic adds to that. They need a SF or a Big, and they want youth. The only other alternative is Powell, but I am convinced he's going where Bosh goes. I like Ebanks for this purpose.

i dont see why we couldnt trade sasha + brown + rights to ebanks

and using the money they save from paying ebanks 1.65m (vs 470k) the first year (and subsequent yrs on that deal of yours) to buy out brown

whereby we re-sign brown anyway. and we still keep our MLE in full.

[laduane1]

I would have offered Brown or some other ending contract for Hinrich. That player would have opted out and we have a great player. Both sides would have won.

[Mamba Venom]

We would have won in 5 IF we had Hinrich

Best back court / wing D in NBA history would be a serious possibility.

All Buss needs to close the argument on best franchise is a crazy high 60s / 70 wins season and 1 more championship. Then he can die happy.

We NEED to go after a winner like Hinrich NOW! We have picks we can trade away again. Keep this team together + a PG all in!

[The Skyhook]

I think its safe to say his confidence might be at an all time low right now. A trade to LA would revitalize his career and as a fan of basketball that would be great to see. If he came here he would more than likely be part of the best starting lineup in the league. Offensively the starting 5 would be similar to what it is now with Fisher but it would excel defensively. I can't imagine how hard it would be to score on a team that has lockdown perimeter defenders and not one but two 7 seven footers behind them.

Only if that contract of his wasn't so ridiculous. I absolutely agree that he is a perfect fit for the Lakers but I don't think he is worth it at that price. Sure if the Lakers really wanted Kirk they could get him but its not worth giving up 2 players for him when we still have so many holes to fill in the roster. No sense in digging a deeper hole when you are trying to get out of it. If it were a perfect world Hinrich would have been a Laker before this years deadline but its not so I have given up on the Hinrich idea even though he will remain up top on my wish list.