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Re: Who do u think we can get for........ 

Post#21 » by Penberthy » Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:08 pm

Frantik wrote:You are making my point. The fact that Lakers are limiting spending to what is available according to the rules ...shows that the FO does care very much about spending. I hope you know that lakers could go above and beyond to sign any player as long as they pay the extras...

Even though lakers are over, which basically seems like the riceipe for winning chips these days, how come Mitch hasn't gone even further beyond. I mean the players are available and the money grows on farm behind Buss' mansion right?

man quit making my point. I don't have the energy...


Please explain to me how the Lakers could have spent more than the MLE, Vet Min, and Bird rights, as long as they, as you so eloquently put it, "pay the extras."

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Edit to Add: So theoretically you are saying we could have also signed Lebron and Bosh to Max deals if we wanted to go "above and beyond" is that right?
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Buss says Lakers WON'T cut costs 

Post#22 » by Penberthy » Fri Aug 6, 2010 7:43 pm

Penberthy wrote:
Frantik wrote:You are making my point. The fact that Lakers are limiting spending to what is available according to the rules ...shows that the FO does care very much about spending. I hope you know that lakers could go above and beyond to sign any player as long as they pay the extras...

Even though lakers are over, which basically seems like the riceipe for winning chips these days, how come Mitch hasn't gone even further beyond. I mean the players are available and the money grows on farm behind Buss' mansion right?

man quit making my point. I don't have the energy...


Please explain to me how the Lakers could have spent more than the MLE, Vet Min, and Bird rights, as long as they, as you so eloquently put it, "pay the extras."

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Edit to Add: So theoretically you are saying we could have also signed Lebron and Bosh to Max deals if we wanted to go "above and beyond" is that right?


The Lakers have no plans to make a trade to reduce their payroll, according to owner Jerry Buss.

Los Angeles has continued to spend this offseason despite the perception that they would cut back a bit.

"If something came up where we could get something for the future, then we might entertain a trade," Buss said. "But outside of that, I think we're pretty well fixed."

The Lakers have given new deals to keep Phil Jackson, Derek Fisher and Shannon Brown while adding Steve Blake, Matt Barnes and Theo Ratliff as free agents.

"I don't know where that came from really. We didn't ever have a meeting and say, 'OK, let's slash payroll.' We sat down and said, 'How can we improve this team?' And basically we came up with Blake and Barnes," Buss said of the belief that the Lakers would cut costs.

"We were really exceptionally happy and thrilled to get both of them at a decent price."



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Hopefully you will all stop now with this disillusioned idea that the Lakers are the GSW or Raptors or Bobcats. Buss will continue to spend money as long as it leads to increased revenues (ala championships)
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Re: Who do u think we can get for........ 

Post#23 » by LAKERS_1981 » Fri Aug 6, 2010 9:47 pm

I think we are not geting anything for thoes guys.
Luke will not bee playing in 2013(his back will be out)
Sasha will finish this seasn as a Lakers players and he will play solid of the bench(he does that in contrakt year) and then i think we will let him go for nothing.
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Re: Who do u think we can get for........ 

Post#24 » by Kilroy » Fri Aug 6, 2010 9:59 pm

I think the main value there is Sasha's expiring... I don't buy the whole 'contract year' argument that has him all of a sudden being a 3pt dead-eye again, and I don't see him getting too many minutes on this current roster... So he's a decent expiring to us... Nothing more.

Walton's main value is his understanding of the Triangle... He's untradeable.
Frankly I don't worry about his contract. We've always been over the cap even without him so as long as Buss don't mind paying him enough to not buy him out, it doesn't matter to me.
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Re: Who do u think we can get for........ 

Post#25 » by rugby-hook » Sat Aug 7, 2010 5:46 am

Buss is one of the LEAST wealthy owners in the NBA. He has not only major sources of revenue besides the Lakers and lives off of the team. The LT is a huge hit and the mere fact that LA has 13 not 15 players proves that Buss is trying to mitigate costs. The team did not trade for Hinrich with the Morrison EC because of the LT; the team played hardball with LO and Fisher because of the LT and sold draft picks because these dollars financed a portion of the LT. Buss has cut costs after the first 3-peat when they dumped Lindsay Hunter and did not replace him. they needed another big man with Malone and would not get the extra salary.

Vujacic is on the bubble to be dumped like Mihm. Vujacic costs the team almost $11mm this year -- that is equal to 1/3 of the total LT bill. LA will use its 1st and cash to move him at the deadline and try to save the $5.4mm in LT. That is a big number considering the team usual makes only $20mm in a championship playoff run. The LT is very punitive and Buss needs to be aware of it.

The most surprising part of the deadline last season was that Morrison was not moved, but there were few teams that had $6.0mm of cap space available and LA had no 1st pick to dish. Once traded Vujacic will be replaced with a young FA for a $450,000 salary. The dollars are simply too big not to make this move.
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Re: Who do u think we can get for........ 

Post#26 » by Mamba Venom » Sat Aug 7, 2010 7:11 am

dula14 wrote:Might be able to get a solid piece for Sasha's expiring, but the Lakers are stuck with Luke for another couple of years.


Bill Walton is the ONLY player in NBA history to sue the team and their medical staff for giving him a cortozone shot that he asked for.

The apple doesnt fall far from the tree. I want Luke gone so bad because he is injury prone and doesnt play hard.

He was good that one contract season and duped our club and got lazy after he got rich(er).

Sasha could get us a VERY valuable piece if the right situation comes along. Expirings are gold
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Re: Who do u think we can get for........ 

Post#27 » by Magicontinues » Sat Aug 7, 2010 3:59 pm

Frantik wrote:You are making my point. The fact that Lakers are limiting spending to what is available according to the rules ...shows that the FO does care very much about spending. ...



You are ignorant of the rules then. :roll:
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Re: Who do u think we can get for........ 

Post#28 » by rugby-hook » Sat Aug 7, 2010 4:26 pm

Without the big FA class, EC are not as valuable as once thought. More than 50% of all teams will have at least $10mm in available cap space next season and the number of good players on long contracts has dropped dramatically. The type of drafts that made OKC rich will dry up. Vujacic' skills can be found in less expensive players. he will be moved because he is too expensive for LA, but will not bring back talent, jsut dollars.
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Re: Who do u think we can get for........ 

Post#29 » by Penberthy » Sat Aug 7, 2010 11:56 pm

rugby-hook wrote:Buss is one of the LEAST wealthy owners in the NBA. He has not only major sources of revenue besides the Lakers and lives off of the team. The LT is a huge hit and the mere fact that LA has 13 not 15 players proves that Buss is trying to mitigate costs. The team did not trade for Hinrich with the Morrison EC because of the LT; the team played hardball with LO and Fisher because of the LT and sold draft picks because these dollars financed a portion of the LT. Buss has cut costs after the first 3-peat when they dumped Lindsay Hunter and did not replace him. they needed another big man with Malone and would not get the extra salary.

Vujacic is on the bubble to be dumped like Mihm. Vujacic costs the team almost $11mm this year -- that is equal to 1/3 of the total LT bill. LA will use its 1st and cash to move him at the deadline and try to save the $5.4mm in LT. That is a big number considering the team usual makes only $20mm in a championship playoff run. The LT is very punitive and Buss needs to be aware of it.

The most surprising part of the deadline last season was that Morrison was not moved, but there were few teams that had $6.0mm of cap space available and LA had no 1st pick to dish. Once traded Vujacic will be replaced with a young FA for a $450,000 salary. The dollars are simply too big not to make this move.


Eh, not so much. Buss certainly isnt a billionaire like paul allen, but his net worth is right in the mid-range when it comes to nba owners. SA and HOU owner's have net worths of only 80 mil. each in comparison to Buss' net worth of $380 million. According to Forbes, "The Los Angeles Lakers
are owned by Jerry Buss and Philip Anschutz (Net Worth: $8 billion)" So the silent partner is worth $7.5+ BILLION. Not sure where you got your stats from, but the article I found said the operating income was $48 million in 08, the year we LOST the chip.

Saying that Sasha's 11 mill accounts for 1/3 of the LT is a bit deceiving isn't it? Everyone's collective contracts contribute to exceeding the salary cap, not just sasha's or whatever player you dont like. Even if we get rid of him, we will still have to pay the LT. The fact is, Sasha is still the best/only pure shooter the Lakers have, but for whatever reason his confidence fell off and he has not performed well in games since 08. But his stroke is still pure. All it will take is for him to get over that hurdle. Just like the commentators always say, shooters keep shooting even if they are 0-100 on their previous attempts. If suddenly this year he regains his form and starts shooting 44% from 3-pt land, which he is totally capable of, and actually accomplished in 08, his contract will actually look like a discount, especially to a team with no other shooter on it. Paying $5 million to a reliable 3-pt shooter (if he regains form) is peanuts to an ownership group worth $8 BILLION.

The Lakers consistently have the highest payroll, consistently have the highest operating income, and consistently win championships. I don't see any of that changing under Buss.
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Re: Who do u think we can get for........ 

Post#30 » by Magicontinues » Mon Aug 9, 2010 4:42 am

kooner wrote:Who or what do u think we can get for Sasha and Luke Walton???? I think we might be able to land a decent bench player for Sasha's expiring contract who do you think we can get for Luke??? I think for now Luke might not be trade-able. You guys think we can land some decent players for these 2 guys.


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Re: Who do u think we can get for........ 

Post#31 » by tugs » Mon Aug 9, 2010 8:24 am

tried this in the Trade Checker:

http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

Andrew Bynum, LO, Sasha, Luke

for

D-Will, Mehmo, Miles

:lol:

won't happen, not for Drew, even for D-Will.

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