Next Coach?

[Magicontinues]

To go back to an earlier point, I don't think the new head coach needs to necessarily be fluent in the triangle. A more traditional offense that relies on isolation (Bryant, Odom), post ups (Bryant, Odom, Gasol, and Bynum), and pick and rolls (Bryant & Odom, Bryant & Gasol, Odom & Gasol) might even work better.

The Tri and variations within the Tri can do all those things, no need for a new offense. Kobe loves the Tri, He's played under other offenses, and loves the Triangle, why go with something different if it is working?

You willing to admit your comment about 5% was ridiculous yet?

[RamonSessions7]

Derek Fisher.

[JustAwesome]

I come from a different line of thinking.

Even if something is working great, I'm constantly looking around for ways to improve it. Whether it's adding something small or revamping to something that I feel is going to do better.

My uncle once told me, "There is no such thing as standing still in this world. You're either going forward or you're going backwards."

Bryant would be the first to agree with this statement.

He's already one of the best players in the world, but he still constantly tries to add little things to his game every summer. For instance, he actually sought out Olajuwon so that he could improve his post game. That's pretty impressive for someone that is guaranteed a spot in the all star game for the next few years.

[Magicontinues]

JustAwesome"]I come from a different line of thinking.

Even if something is working great, I'm constantly looking around for ways to improve it. Whether it's adding something small or revamping to something that I feel is going to do better.

You can improve players on a roster, but an offense that has been the most successful in the history of basketball does not need improving.

Kobe loves the offense, and it does all the things you mentioned some other unknown offense you keep mentioning would do.

My uncle once told me, "There is no such thing as standing still in this world. You're either going forward or you're going backwards."

And the Lakers will move forward with the same old, proven, successful offense, that Kobe would not change.

Bryant would be the first to agree with this statement.

Long cry from Kobe agreeing with that statement, and Kobe saying he wants to move to another offense, your delusional if you think he'd agree to that.

He's already one of the best players in the world, but he still constantly tries to add little things to his game every summer. For instance, he actually sought out Olajuwon so that he could improve his post game. That's pretty impressive for someone that is guaranteed a spot in the all star game for the next few years.

That's all well and good, but missess the point, and you keep trying to go to a different arguement and wont respond to the real point that started this conversation, that the Lakers only run the tri 5% of the time.

[Day in the Life]

Isn't it kind of obvious? Brian Shaw is basically being groomed for the job. I'd be surprised if management chooses a different coach.

And no JVG please. Maybe Nate Mcmillan, but that's about it. The coaching market is pretty weak.

[JustAwesome]

I still stand by my comment.

The way the triangle was operated in Chicago was a thing of beauty. I became a big fan of the system and started studying it because of the way that all 5 guys were involved. It's a deadly offense when you don't allow a single defender the chance to slack off.

Now, imagine if the Lakers ran that version. They could sweep through the playoffs with just 1 or 2 losses.

[D Nice]

I still stand by my comment.

The way the triangle was operated in Chicago was a thing of beauty. I became a big fan of the system and started studying it because of the way that all 5 guys were involved. It's a deadly offense when you don't allow a single defender the chance to slack off.

Now, imagine if the Lakers ran that version. They could sweep through the playoffs with just 1 or 2 losses.

Those Bulls teams were stacked with smart players who could shoot the hell out of rock. In our rotation we've got Ron Artest, Lamar Odom, Shannon Brown, and Andrew Bynum.

We couldn't run the same version of the Tri if we wanted to.

[Magicontinues]

I still stand by my comment.

The way the triangle was operated in Chicago was a thing of beauty. I became a big fan of the system and started studying it because of the way that all 5 guys were involved. It's a deadly offense when you don't allow a single defender the chance to slack off.

Now, imagine if the Lakers ran that version. They could sweep through the playoffs with just 1 or 2 losses.

Child please, the Lakers run the same offense that Chicago ran, you just go to your strengths with the players you have, All five of the Lakers are involved, same way Chicago did. MJ got more shots, as did Pippen, similar to Kobe and Pau, but Pau is a center/pf so of course it looks a little different seeing more low post big men in our offense, but it is the same offense, same plays, just different personel. You saying Rodman was a great scoring threat? His man did have a chance to slack off, I think your real confused on this bro, You are just confusing seeing different plays we run to our strengths in the tri, to thinking it's not the tri. It is the tri, and we run it 95% of the time.

Can you get any quote from Phil, Tex, ANYONE verifying what your saying that it's a different version, or we only run it 5% of the time? ONE quote? Nah, didn't think so. It's all in your confused head.

If your a big fan of the system why are you saying they should change it?

[Magicontinues]

I still stand by my comment.

The way the triangle was operated in Chicago was a thing of beauty. I became a big fan of the system and started studying it because of the way that all 5 guys were involved. It's a deadly offense when you don't allow a single defender the chance to slack off.

Now, imagine if the Lakers ran that version. They could sweep through the playoffs with just 1 or 2 losses.

Those Bulls teams were stacked with smart players who could shoot the hell out of rock. In our rotation we've got Ron Artest, Lamar Odom, Shannon Brown, and Andrew Bynum.

We couldn't run the same version of the Tri if we wanted to.

The tri is the tri, it's not as if we are running a different tri than the Bulls did, we are just running more low post plays for Pau. But the same tri, there are so many plays that can be run from the tri, and we run all of them at differing times, Just as Chicago did, but of course, a majority of the plays we like to run is going to be different than what they liked to run, according to the personel. But it is not a different offense.

[Magicontinues]

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[semi-sentient]

It's no wonder so many quality posters have vanished from the Lakers board. Guys make good points and post respectfully only to be mocked with childish, annoying emoticons.

Anyway, Brian Shaw is apparently being groomed for the job and I'm fine with him coaching the team. The players respect him and he doesn't appear to be a guy that will shy away from telling it how it is.

[JustAwesome]

I'm beginning to understand where the debate is coming from. You seem to take things that I say and understand them in an entirely different way than what I mean. We might have to chalk it up as a communications problem.

You saying Rodman was a great scoring threat? His man did have a chance to slack off, I think your real confused on this bro,

I said that the true version of the triangle is dangerous because defensive players can't slack off of their assignments. You somehow misconstrued that as me saying that Rodman was a great scoring threat. I looked through my post, and I've never said that Rodman was a scoring threat.

Scoring is not the only way to be an effective offensive player. Spacing and player movements are keys to the triangle offense. Rodman understands both of those concepts extremely well. He's not a dangerous scoring threat, but he understood the system well enough to where it made it hard for defenders to double team. That's valuable as well.

If your a big fan of the system why are you saying they should change it?

Once again, you misunderstood me.

I'm a huge fan of the true version of the triangle (one ran in Chicago). Since I believe that the Lakers aren't running a true triangle right now, I'm willing to see them try something new. I'm not a big fan of this watered down version because I know that the Lakers can be that much more dangerous if they did run the true version.

That should clear things up.

[Magicontinues]

JustAwesome"]I'm You somehow misconstrued that as me saying that Rodman was a great scoring threat.

You said no defensive player can slack off, well Rodmans defensive assignment certainly didn't have to worry much about his getting offesive plays run through him.

I'm a huge fan of the true version of the triangle (one ran in Chicago). Since I believe that the Lakers aren't running a true triangle right now, I'm willing to see them try something new. I'm not a big fan of this watered down version because I know that the Lakers can be that much more dangerous if they did run the true version.

Again, I'd like to see some examples of how there not running the "true" triangle, anybody can spew things without evidence, the evidence or examples would show you know what your talking about, so far, no examples.

Also, no quotes from anyone who actually teaches the tri, Phil, Tex etc saying they are running some other offense other than the tri. I mean come on dude, The Lakers all say they are running the tri, for you to say there not is getting comical.

[JustAwesome]

It's no wonder so many quality posters have vanished from the Lakers board. Guys make good points and post respectfully only to be mocked with childish, annoying emoticons.

I used to be a moderator for the Lakers board years ago. Trust me, I've seen this many times before. It was actually one of the reasons why I walked away from RealGM. Nonetheless, though, there are still a handful of fans on here that can discuss things intelligently.

[JustAwesome]

YOu seem to want to give us a lesson on the tri

Again, I'd like to see some examples of how there not running the "true" triangle, anybody can spew things without evidence, the evidence or examples would show you know what your talking about, so far, no examples.

When I go into details about the offense, I'm bashed for giving lessons. When I don't go into details, I'm bashed for not providing evidence.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Magicontinues]

Well I doubt with your past postings you could decipher what is different between the Lakers tri, and Chicago's tri, as they are both the tri, just different plays within the tri. So I knew you'd not be able to give examples of how they are somehow "different versions"

I'd still settle for a link to someone who actually knows the tri like Phil, Tex, Shaw, Mitch, saying the Lakers are not runinng the "true triangle"

As I said, this is news to me, and news to the Lakers.

[D Nice]

When I go into details about the offense, I'm bashed for giving lessons. When I don't go into details, I'm bashed for not providing evidence.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Any semi-reasonable Laker fan knows that if you can still call what we're running the triangle, it's a broken, choppy version that usually doesn't make it past the first or second read.

I really wouldn't pay him any attention man.

[JustAwesome]

Any semi-reasonable Laker fan knows that if you can still call what we're running the triangle, it's a broken, choppy version that usually doesn't make it past the first or second read.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

The team barely gets past the initial reads. The true version of the system would go through 4-5 reads before a shot is pulled off or Jordan is allowed to freelance.

Bryant, Odom, Gasol, and Bynum are going to be able to do their thing on offense regardless because of their talent level, but if they go with the true version of the offense, then guys like Blake, Vujacic, Brown, Barnes, Walton, and others become even more of a threat. If that happens, then the team becomes even harder to stop.

Then, there's the other issue of spacing in the system. A lot of these secondary guys still have no idea how to properly space themselves. In the triangle offense, you should never see teammates within 7 feet of one another when they aren't in motion.

[Magicontinues]

JustAwesome
The team barely gets past the initial reads. The true version of the system would go through 4-5 reads before a shot is pulled off or Jordan is allowed to freelance.

If Jordon just starts freelanceing after a few passess, THAT'S not the tri dude. That's Jordan going one on one, which he did ALOT.

I'd say this Laker team runs it better than the Chicago bulls did with all MJ's "freelancing" , you basically just admitted the Bulls didn't run it much, as MJ was the most one on one player in the history of Basketball

Bryant, Odom, Gasol, and Bynum are going to be able to do their thing on offense regardless because of their talent level, but if they go with the true version of the offense, then guys like Blake, Vujacic, Brown, Barnes, Walton, and others become even more of a threat. If that happens, then the team becomes even harder to stop.

They seem to be doing just fine running the tri, Isolations for Odom, Gasol, Bynum happen all the time, and just so you know, that is what the tri does for big men, get's them isolated and forces double teams or easy baskets. (maybe that's why you think it's not the tri, you don't really know what the tri offense looks like?)

Then, there's the other issue of spacing in the system. A lot of these secondary guys still have no idea how to properly space themselves. In the triangle offense, you should never see teammates within 7 feet of one another when they aren't in motion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7IZIRgzNEY

Watch that, I see plenty of times where the Bulls offense in the tri is pretty bad spacing, so much for them running it perfectly.

Fact is, the Lakers run the triangle more than 5% of the time. Fact is, the Lakers run it very very well, Phil would not allow them to run it any differently, nor would Tex. That's how we have been so succesful, maybe you haven't noticed, but the triangle has helped us win many many rings as Phil has implemented it, to perfection at times. Kobe, Pau, Fish, all are seasoned vets at the tri, and run it as well or better than the Bulls ever did.