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Player Options: Barnes in, Brown out?

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Re: Player Options: Barnes in, Brown out? 

Post#21 » by doozyj » Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:28 am

I like Shannon but the guy can be a bonehead sometimes. He needs to ease it down at times, read the floor and run the offense the way it was designed. I understand his ambition to take the initiative but chill sometimes and not go for a highlight reel each possession.
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Re: Player Options: Barnes in, Brown out? 

Post#22 » by Dr Aki » Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:35 am

barnes is past 30. UCLA alum, LA local, his mindset is to stay, easy

shannon brown is 26, best basketball years ahead of him, earning piddling cash (relative term). his mindset is obviously on the next (comparatively large) paycheck.

knowing full well steve blake is getting 4mil per, his agent has been playing it smart the past couple of years, knowing the lakers couldn't offer shannon more than the LLE, lakers finally have his bird rights and his agent will probably negotiate something in the order of 3yrs, 9-10 mil. thats quite the reasonable price for shannon brown to stay in a lakers uni
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Re: Player Options: Barnes in, Brown out? 

Post#23 » by 96 Til Infiniti » Thu Mar 24, 2011 5:45 am

Yo Shannon, don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

Dude started off the season so strong, but it's almost been a sorta curse rather than a blessing. While his confidence grew after that early stretch, watching him I get the feeling he's over-confident now.

It's as if he takes his role as Kobe's reserve too far and starts jacking up shots like he's Mamba.

On the other hand, great news that Matt wants to stay in LA. With him and the LO (future 6th Man of the Year) we have some strong leadership coming off the bench.
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Re: Player Options: Barnes in, Brown out? 

Post#24 » by Minhee » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:35 am

Matt Barnes is very important role player for our squad, he gives us toughness as everyone has pointed out. He gives us defense and hustle and whenever Artest goes out we don't miss too much. Without Barnes we are stuck with Walton, a HUGE dropoff. Artest/Barnes we don't lose so much except Artest is a better pitbull man on man defender. But Barnes does everything the stat sheet won't show. With that said $1.91 is not a lot of money in the NBA, there are much more scrubs out there making way more so Barnes can easily get a MLE or close to MLE offer from a contender. Hopefully someone like Miami or Dallas doesn't pry him away. Some thinks Barnes should start at SF when Artest struggle, yet Barnes is one of the most lowest paid player on the team. How does it feel to make significantly less than Luke yet you have to work way harder and play much better than him. It's almost like going to work and you have a dude that is under you, you do all his work for him because he sucks at what he does, manager doesn't trust him so he just sits there all day but his salary is 6 times your salary.

Shannon Brown is too one dimensional, he is good at a fast break dunk otherwise he is nothing but a 1 on 1 player who dribbles at the 3 point line for 20 seconds only to chuck up a brick.
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Re: Player Options: Barnes in, Brown out? 

Post#25 » by LA Forever » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:40 am

This is like the Brown of last season. He started out great, but has then regressed into a player who doesn't contribute much, other than bad shots and turnovers.

Barnes is a more vital part of the team than Brown is. Barnes knows his role on the team and plays it to the T. Brown tries to do too much when he doesn't really know what to do with the ball.

I hope Barnes opts in and stays. If Brown stays for cheap, then I won't be too upset. If he stays and gets paid more, I'll be upset unless he starts to play the way he did to start the season. If he leaves, then goodbye, no hurt feelings from me.
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Re: Player Options: Barnes in, Brown out? 

Post#26 » by MaDsKiLLzz24 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:02 pm

all in for Barnes. if Brown does opt out and leave. is Battier a free agent? always liked him.

Barnes, Blake, Battier= New Killer B's
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Re: Player Options: Barnes in, Brown out? 

Post#27 » by Vball_tl16 » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:07 pm

If brown is looking for more money... and we have his bird rights... im all for a s&t. it would be nice to add some or our lower bench players in there to hopefully get someone decent back..
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Post#28 » by picc » Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:48 pm

Barnes is like the opposite of Shannon. In a good way. It literally amazes me how airheaded Shannon is sometimes, he might have the lowest total IQ in the league. I honestly think if you tied one of those sticks with food attached at the end to his head, he'd try running after it to catch it.
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Post#29 » by Jetset » Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:07 pm

I could care less if Shannon is with us or not. The only thing he provides is youth and a spark off the bench, but his erratic play takes away from whatever little he contributes. Look I'm all for trading him as well but some of us have forgotten we can't just trade him anywhere, I'm sure he'll decline any trade that'll have him going to a non-contender.
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Re: Player Options: Barnes in, Brown out? 

Post#30 » by picc » Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:33 pm

Its a shame cause he was such a good role player in 09, so in control and ready to take what the offense gave him. Then he got his contract and his head ballooned and now he thinks he's Kobe.
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Post#31 » by Sedale Threatt » Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:18 pm

picc wrote:Barnes is like the opposite of Shannon. In a good way. It literally amazes me how airheaded Shannon is sometimes, he might have the lowest total IQ in the league. I honestly think if you tied one of those sticks with food attached at the end to his head, he'd try running after it to catch it.


LOL. Shannon tried this spin dribble in traffic during the Phoenix game that just blew me away -- not because it was pretty, but because he turned it over, and it was such a bad decision. He does something like that at least once a game.

If you took Fisher's attitude and put it in Shannon's body, you'd have a heck of a player. Still prone to mistakes, but a very nice backup. Unfortunately, he is what he is. I appreciate the work he's clearly put into his game, and he seems like a good teammate.

But the lack of IQ really minimizes his contributions.
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Re: Player Options: Barnes in, Brown out? 

Post#32 » by So Gutta » Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:04 am

No need to crucify Brown now, guys. This isn't even an issue, for crying out loud. We still have the whole playoffs to form an opinion on Brown, no need to "jump" to any conclusions. Pun intended!

Backing up Kobe is a big deal. If Phil is confident in Shannon Brown backing up Kobe, then I trust Phil. Say whatever else you want, but that's where we are right now, and thank Mitch for trading RadMan for Brown. Hell, I like our young guns-- Bynum, Ebanks, Caracter, Brown, etc.
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Re: Player Options: Barnes in, Brown out? 

Post#33 » by Dr Aki » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:06 pm

i would argue his athleticism and new-found confidence (in his jumpshot) empowers him to do things outside the triangle that might otherwise result in unproductive possessions when the bench's offensive production enters those phases where all the shots that the bench are able to attain are long jumpers, at least brown's threat to drive and get into the paint gives him more room to rise up and shoot.

again, there's a reason he only earns ~2.1 million dollars, did we all expect shannon brown to actually be THAT solid a bench player? were we expecting another 6MOY calibre player from shannon brown?? all in a 2.1 million dollar package?? adjust your expectations people, we should all be glad that shannon thinks he's worth more than 2.1 mil and that he's actually put in the work to improve that jumper of his.

so here we all are, taking our shots at shannon brown simply because he's "probably" going to opt out? are we really demanding brown exhibit the same fervor and loyalty as diehard lakers fans?

sport is a business and the NBA is no different, think with your heads, not with your hearts. what shannon (or his agent) will do is; plain and simple business logic
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Re: Player Options: Barnes in, Brown out? 

Post#34 » by laduane1 » Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:27 am

Brown is 25, hard to replace that. Barnes is 31, but does some nice work. Neither one will be paid what they want on the Lakers, they should know that. But winning rings and being in the spot light does make up for loss money. Shoe deals.. Barnes is at the end his career, no one going to give him 5 years and 30 million. He wants his pay day.
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Re: Player Options: Barnes in, Brown out? 

Post#35 » by joelafan » Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:48 am

I could care less if browns opts out. Actually i encourage it. Matt needs to stay, Hes to good of a role player,
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Post#36 » by picc » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:31 pm

Aki wrote:i would argue his athleticism and new-found confidence (in his jumpshot) empowers him to do things outside the triangle that might otherwise result in unproductive possessions when the bench's offensive production enters those phases where all the shots that the bench are able to attain are long jumpers, at least brown's threat to drive and get into the paint gives him more room to rise up and shoot.


Shannons newfound (and over-inflated) confidence is exactly what results in unproductive possessions. I don't understand how one can say anything you just wrote while talking about the same player.
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Re: Player Options: Barnes in, Brown out? 

Post#37 » by joelafan » Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:18 pm

laduane1 wrote:Brown is 25, hard to replace that. Barnes is 31, but does some nice work. Neither one will be paid what they want on the Lakers, they should know that. But winning rings and being in the spot light does make up for loss money. Shoe deals.. Barnes is at the end his career, no one going to give him 5 years and 30 million. He wants his pay day.

Age is not a deciding factor when you look at brown vs any decent role player.

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