ARIZA & TURIAF

[Anklebreaker702]

ariza and turiaf back on the lakers would be a godsend...

and the only other player im letting pau gasol go for is dirk nowitzki...not dwight howard, not when we have andrew bynum.

My thoughts exactly

[Anklebreaker702]

Trade Pau and Bynum? Are you crazy? I'll leave it there.

I do agree that we need to make a play for Howard but Odom and Bynum is all I would offer, I for one would like to see what our young guys can do for us Morris, Ebanks and Goudlock are keepers so far in my book.

Also if the Hornets were to cut anyone it would be Okafore, although I see them as a team that does not use this Amnesty at all. I'm sure Ariza will be there unless they find an upgrade through trade

Everyone is D12 crazy. I want him but not got Bynum & Odom. If there is a season id like to see Drew have an outstanding one to see how much harder it is to pull that trigger

[The_Trade_Seer]

Everyone is D12 crazy.

There is a reasion for that ... he's a 25 year old superman who has already won multiple DPOY's and is an MVP contender year in and year out!

I want him but not got Bynum & Odom. If there is a season id like to see Drew have an outstanding one to see how much harder it is to pull that trigger

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop the madness! I'd dump Bynum and Pau in a heratbeat and you won't even dump Bynum and Odom? Insanity!

[Dalakerbox]

No one on this planet should ever consider giving up both Bynum AND Pau...period. Especially not for the fillers of Arenas (unless he was about 3-4 years younger) and Bass.

Again I would offer Bynum and Odom maybe some cash and picks, if it is denied so be it I like LA as is.

The young boys stay, because yes we are in win now mode, but we are also in need of youth/athleticism. And need some young bucks Kobe and Fish can groom for later.

[Jetset]

Where to start...

Don't irritate me or I'll have to school you again young pup

lolwut? I can only imagine the difficulty of doing something "again" when you've never come close to doing in in the first place. But be my guest and try, if you must.

Which is exactly why my deal makes so much sense Dukie, it allows them to basically cut BOTH arenas and Hedo and really build for the future around the best starting big men in the East in Bynum and Pau.

Dukie?

Why would a rebuilding team want to build around a 31 yr old and a china doll?

No, no, no ... we've been through this before and I understand you just don't get NBA financials, so no worries. The amnesty cut will NOT help Orlando sign any free agent, let alone a max guy like CP3. The amnesty cut is a "tax cut" not a salary cut, it will simply save Orlando's owner from paying a monster tax to Stern, it will not erase team salary to allow the Magic to make a max offer to CP3. Now, a TRADE of Arenas would indeed clear his salary and following that up by cutting Hedo would really make the owner happy, but even this woul not give them the funds necessary to land CP3.

LOL, I forgot you're an NBA executive. Could've sworn you were an anonymous poster such as myself. Thought there was an article where two amnesty cuts were being discussed, if not then my mistake.

No argument here as you're 100% right on this one, but again, we've been around this bush before too ... the Magic look set to lose D12 for NOTHING next offseason so if their GM is smart he will trade him before the trade deadline this year, and the Lakers can make a better offer than anyone else.

How do you know the Magic aren't willing to let him walk rather than trade him to the Lakers? They already had one monstrous big end up here, they don't want the same to happen. There are plenty of teams that can make better offers than the Lakers. And it's not like Dwight has any leverage.

Is this a joke? Pau has NEVER been a team cancer in his life, has always been considered a great teammate and good guy and doesn't even have it in him to be a "cancer" I don't think.

You must've missed the playoffs this past season.

Oh stop it. Just stop it. Pau Gasol has turned himself into a legitimate first ballot HOF'er over the past 4 years, won two titles and been considered the most skilled and even the best PF in the league ... if he and Bynum were traded to Orlando on a team that would have a starting 5 of Nelson/Reddick/Richardson/Pau/Bynum, Pau would relish being "the man" on a team that has a shot at winning the East. With that starting 5 the Magic would NOT be in rebuilding mode, they would be better than they are now and in win-now mode.

Okay, Steven A. Smith. Not sure about Pau being a legit first ballot HOF'er, but hey it only adds to your legacy of insanity. Wait a minute, did you just say a team of Jameer Nelson, J.J. Reddick, Pau Gasol, and Andrew Bynum have a chance at winning the East and playing in the Finals? Did the Bulls and the Heat get removed from the league as part of the new CBA? Unless there are other players in the league whom share the same last names as those listed above, that may be the most ridiculous thing you've ever posted since December 15th 2006, at 9:32 PM EST.

If the Knicks feel they can somehow swing a trade for CP3 or Deron or D12 they will certainly keep Ronny, but if they feel the only way to land one of the big 3 is to sign them as a free agent next year, Ronny is gone as an amnesty cut, period.

Knicks won't be able to follow the Miami mold. All three Heat players make around the same amount of money on court (Bosh I believe makes $5 mil more, but James and Wade make much more in endorsements). The Knicks stars are much more selfish, Amar'e signed for max and Melo went straight to the bank. Unless Paul/Deron/Howard want to play for a bag of Molten Hot Wing Ruffles, I can't see either one ending up in New York.

So what. If Ariza is cut his first choice will be the Lakers ... he just did an interview and made it clear he'd like to play in LA again.

Post the interview.



AI, we've gone at it for a while now. And while everyone, including myself find some of your posts outlandish and hysterical, they're starting to teeter off into a realm of the unfathomable. So find whatever sense of reality you have and pull onto it, I'm worried about your mental health. And I should know health, I'm the voice of truth and reason on this board. And I'm a doctor.

[Anklebreaker702]

Everyone is D12 crazy.

There is a reasion for that ... he's a 25 year old superman who has already won multiple DPOY's and is an MVP contender year in and year out!

I want him but not got Bynum & Odom. If there is a season id like to see Drew have an outstanding one to see how much harder it is to pull that trigger

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop the madness! I'd dump Bynum and Pau in a heratbeat and you won't even dump Bynum and Odom? Insanity!

All that glitters is not gold. So you dump Gasol & Bynum what does your front court look like then? Not to mention you front court bench play.

We'll see what happens though.

[kblo247]

Ankle I get your point about Pau and Drew, but the fact is Dwight is the best C in the league and Lamar Odom is the best PF on our roster. It isn't farfetched to want to keep Odom when he has shown that he plays best at the starting PF spot on both ends, whereas both Drew and Pau play best and log their most time at C. Pau is not a PF. He wasn't one in Memphis. He hasn't been one primarily for any season but last in LA, and we all know how horrid he was on defense at that spot.

Lamar and Dwight are better than Pau and Andrew 9/10 times. That 1 time they aren't is the rarity when they actually click and play well at the same time for large minutes next to one another, which comes once in a blue moon after Yeats of being together. Lamar can compliment Dwight quite easily, better than either of our other two bigs on offense, defense, and the glass because he is more skilled, more mobile, more athletic, the better rebounder, much more durable and healthy, and stretches the floor far better than Pau and Andrew.

The issue to me is who backs them up, not Pau and Andrew being shipped.

[dukeknicksirish]

We(New York Knicks) will for sure, not drop Turiaf if the amnesty rule comes into play. Renaldo Balkman and his 2012 money eating salary will be dropped like a fly. Turiaf still has value on this team, and the Knicks need all the centers on the roster that they can have; Balkman just sits on the bench and takes up cap space.

Now if we can sign Varejoa in free agency, once he is amnestified, then you can take Turiaf. But until Varejoa, or any other starting caliber center comes aboard, Turiaf is a Knickerbocker.

[The_Trade_Seer]

lolwut? I can only imagine the difficulty of doing something "again" when you've never come close to doing in in the first place. But be my guest and try, if you must.

Oh Jet, just stop ... everyone on this forum knows I hammered you last year on the cap ... you even admitted it and I told you I forgave your goofiness as it was obvious you just didn't understand how trades work financially ... we don't need to go there again and hopefully by know you understand trade financials.

Dukie?

Yeah Blue Devils fan ... Dukie.

Why would a rebuilding team want to build around a 31 yr old and a china doll?

Why do you keep using the word "rebuilding" as if it magically carries weight? The Magic have NO YOUNG STAR to rebuild around, they are a middle aged team built to win now and will be even moreso with Drew and Pau ... stop throwing the word rebuilding out there when it doesn't even fit the situation ... not every team that loses a star automatically enters rebuilding mode ... did the 49ers go into rebuilding mode when they got rid of Montana, how about the Spurs when they lost the admiral, how about the Wolves when they lost Marbury, the Knicks when they lost Ewing, etc, etc, etc ... no, no, no, no, no!

LOL, I forgot you're an NBA executive. Could've sworn you were an anonymous poster such as myself. Thought there was an article where two amnesty cuts were being discussed, if not then my mistake.

The two amnesty cuts that are being discussed still wouldn't help the Magic sign a max contract player ... again, this is league financials and not one of your strong suits ... no worries.

How do you know the Magic aren't willing to let him walk rather than trade him to the Lakers?

If they they are idiots.

They already had one monstrous big end up here, they don't want the same to happen.

That argument actually supports my argument, not yours as they lost Shaq to the Lakers for nothing ... they should want to rape us this time around ... not just watch Dwight leave for nothing and sign with the Knicks or Nets.

There are plenty of teams that can make better offers than the Lakers.

No there are not ... list 5-10 of them.

And it's not like Dwight has any leverage.

Are you nuts? Dwight has ALL THE LEVERAGE ... the guy can leave the Magic hanging and with nothing, you don't get any more leverage than that!!!

You must've missed the playoffs this past season.

No, you must have ... I recall Pau playing like a punk, not causing problems and being a bad teammate.

Okay, Steven A. Smith.

You've called me the trade master, an nba executive and now s.a.s. and while two of the three were mocking ... they are all compliments when compared to an "anonymous forum poster", hahahaha. Just read and learn potna, read and learn

Not sure about Pau being a legit first ballot HOF'er, but hey it only adds to your legacy of insanity.

Um, yes, Pau is a first ballot HOF'er and you'd be insane not to think so. The guy was option 1a on a 3-peat conference champion and back2back nba title team, a Euro star with insane foreign credentials, etc, etc ... I know you don't understand trade financials but I thought you did understand player value and legacies; I guess I was wrong.

Wait a minute, did you just say a team of Jameer Nelson, J.J. Reddick, Pau Gasol, and Andrew Bynum have a chance at winning the East and playing in the Finals?

Um, no, did you read what I said? I said they could be better than they were and have a shot at the East .. you do realize injuries come into play in the NBA, no?

Did the Bulls and the Heat get removed from the league as part of the new CBA? Unless there are other players in the league whom share the same last names as those listed above, that may be the most ridiculous thing you've ever posted since December 15th 2006, at 9:32 PM EST.

The Bulls starting 5 would be no better than the Magics and if the Magic could gel and work together like the Bulls do they would have a great shot ... I honestly think the Magic would have beaten the Bulls in a series last year as the playoffs are all about matchups ... the trio of Bynum/Gasol/Jameer is BETTER than the trio of Noah/Boozer/Rose and the duo of Reddick/Richardson is only slightly worse than the duo of Korver/Deng. The Heat are another animal altogether but with Wade's injury history and style of play you can believe I would take a healthy Magic squad led by Bynum and Pau over a Heat squad minus Wade.

Knicks won't be able to follow the Miami mold. All three Heat players make around the same amount of money on court (Bosh I believe makes $5 mil more, but James and Wade make much more in endorsements). The Knicks stars are much more selfish, Amar'e signed for max and Melo went straight to the bank. Unless Paul/Deron/Howard want to play for a bag of Molten Hot Wing Ruffles, I can't see either one ending up in New York.

It certainly depends on what the cap under the new cba will be but if it is around $58mil as some are predicting they could still throw $13+ mil at a free agent, and who knows that may be considered a max contract under the new cba ... they also may be able to land someone like CP3 before the deadline this year in which case they should be able to pay him a max contract regardless.

I think it will be pretty unfair if they bring in new rules now where teams can't get bird rights on a guy they traded for, the cap is reduced, etc ... the Knicks will fee; screwed and the Heat will be even more hated league wide as they will be looked at as the lucky team that signed three max guys just before such a practice was stopped.

Post the interview.

It's on HoopsHype I believe ... go read it if you want ... it's not that good though.

AI, we've gone at it for a while now. And while everyone, including myself find some of your posts outlandish and hysterical, they're starting to teeter off into a realm of the unfathomable.

Don't kid yourself dukie ... I schooled you horribly last year, most all of my predictions come true and I'm the only one on here who comes close to calling trades ... and I understand how to put mad genius trades together that actually work under league financial rules ... unlike most

So find whatever sense of reality you have and pull onto it, I'm worried about your mental health. And I should know health, I'm the voice of truth and reason on this board. And I'm a doctor.

I doubt that very much ... most doctors have a grasp on financials ... if you are seriously a doc ... get yourself a good accountant FAST! Hahahahaha.

[doozyj]

turiaf spat in our face after we stuck by him during his heart issues.


Ariza yes, would love to see him back where he belongs - in purple and gold

What!? Dude the guy was offered a hell of a contract by GS. I would have been pissed if the guy turned it down. That is how much respect Laker fans had for Turiaf. If anybody deserved a nice salary, it was that man. A total class act. He spat at nobody.

[Jetset]

I don't feel like quoting, takes up too much time and this isn't worth it.

AI, I've always known you as being not easy to debate with but I know you as a liar. You "hammered me last year" and I admitted it? Nothing but false and couldn't be farther from the truth. First of all I joined December 23 and didn't really start posting until this year, so there's no way you could've "hammered me, last year" as you say. And since we all now know I truly started posting this year (2011), then it shouldn't be too hard for you to dig up where you "hammered me".

Second if you're referring to those three trades you had me post a while back, you even co-signed on two of them. The one where I was somewhere around $2-3 mil over the top you had a problem with. That's the only cap dispute me and you have ever had, so stop trying to garner "cool points" from your fellow posters. You've never "hammered" me, and I've never claimed to have owned or "hammered" you. Only way one of us is getting "hammered" is if we were to get into a war of words. In which you would clearly have the disadvantage.


I use the term "rebuilding" because it does carry weight. If Orlando loses Dwight that's exactly what they'll be doing, "rebuilding". They're in win mode now because they have a franchise talent, it's not that hard to grasp. If they lose their franchise talent, they'd want to get high picks until they come across another Howard/franchise talent. They're not getting franchise talent in return, and they won't win the East with Nelson/Reddick/Gasol/Bynum.


I'm not seeing how that supports your argument. How exactly are we getting raped when we're pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot and possibly a Finals appearance with a Howard/Bryant duo. If anything they're getting cheated on both ends. They lose their star and they don't get even close to equal compensation, especially when there are more suitable trade partners.

All I need to name are two. Bulls/OKC. Both infinitely better.


I keep telling you, the Magic would more than likely let Dwight leave before agreeing in principle to a trade with the Lakers. And I'm done saying it, it doesn't get anymore simple than that.


Who said the meaning of cancer was limited to those things? For us, Pau was a cancer on the court. And I'm not blaming the whole post season on him, because the whole team believed in this switch thing. But he was a big reason.

I called you an NBA executive sarcastically, and I called you "the trade master" sarcastically. In fact if you haven't been able to tell, most of my post geared towards you are brash/sarcastic. Not because that's just how I post (and it is), but that's the only way I can respond to the nonsense. You just happened to quote me and take out the sarcasm in the trade master quote. And that's what I am, an anonymous forum poster. If you truly think you're any more than that, you have issues.


You are the only person I've ever heard consider Pau a first ballot HOF, you're acting as if I said he's going to get snubbed for the HOF. Regardless, your swipes leave me unscathed.

How are the Magic better with Gasol/Bynum, than with having Howard? Neither player has the impact Howard does. But you're right injuries do come into play. Bynum will more than likely suffer an injury, leaving only you to compare Howard to Gasol. So are they still a better team? No.


This "schooling" must've been the highlight of your life, because it's all you keep harping on. If you consider being over the cap by $2 mil on a trade getting schooled, then whatever. But you've never done any more than that, and how you could sit up here and suggest otherwise is blasphemy.

And I just had to quote this:

most all of my predictions come true and I'm the only one on here who comes close to calling trades ... and I understand how to put mad genius trades together that actually work under league financial rules ... unlike most

In all of my 10 months on this board, I haven't known any of your predictions to come true. So go ahead and tell us which ones have. And I don't mean to name drop or anything, but Doormatt sh*ts out trades that make more sense than anything you've ever posted. You're only limited to posting trade ideas on the Lakers board because anywhere else you'd be horribly ridiculed.

It blows my mind that someone out there can be as cocky and arrogant about something as insignificant as online trades as you. Is correctly predicting a trade supposed to make you some sort of prophet or something? It doesn't and neither does Kobe dropping 65. You need to regroup and find out who you truly are. You are not a genius, you are not a cap expert, and you aren't superior to anyone else on this forum. You are an internet forum poster, just as the rest of us. Man, I know that some people like to think otherwise when they're mod. I can only imagine what you'd be like if you ever became one.

[The_Trade_Seer]

I don't feel like quoting, takes up too much time and this isn't worth it.

I'll do it.

AI, I've always known you as being not easy to debate with but I know you as a liar. You "hammered me last year" and I admitted it? Nothing but false and couldn't be farther from the truth. First of all I joined December 23 and didn't really start posting until this year, so there's no way you could've "hammered me, last year" as you say. And since we all now know I truly started posting this year (2011), then it shouldn't be too hard for you to dig up where you "hammered me".

Wow, are you kidding me? Just go back and read some of our classic exchanges ... other posters referrence them from time to time ... back at the last trade deadline we got into some massive trade debates and almost every trade you ridiculed me on and posted your own was FINANCIALLY WRONG ... you admitted not understanding trade financials and I said it was no big deal as you were merely ignorant ... this wasn't 20 years ago dude and I know you remember it ... it was funny to me as I always wondered why you didn't understand my trade proposals and then simply realized it was because you didn't comprehend how nba financials work ... I challenged you to list some solid trades and every trade you listed couldn't work financially.

It's no big deal that I hammered you, I hammer everyone ... look at the dude I took to school in the Kobe GOAT post ... just look at the last post which is mine ... that dude ran and hid as he has nothing to say to the truth I slapped down concerning Chamberlain vs. Russel.

No big deal Dukie, I do this to everyone, hahahaha. I've been around the NBA since I was a little kid, have made a bunch of money investing in basketball and know my stuff.

Second if you're referring to those three trades you had me post a while back, you even co-signed on two of them. The one where I was somewhere around $2-3 mil over the top you had a problem with. That's the only cap dispute me and you have ever had, so stop trying to garner "cool points" from your fellow posters.

Wrong dukie ... and I don't even know any of the posters on here and could care less what any of them think about me ... I know my stuff, plain and simple.

You've never "hammered" me, and I've never claimed to have owned or "hammered" you. Only way one of us is getting "hammered" is if we were to get into a war of words. In which you would clearly have the disadvantage.

Why is that? You're a world class debater along with being a doctor? Hahahaha.

I use the term "rebuilding" because it does carry weight. If Orlando loses Dwight that's exactly what they'll be doing, "rebuilding". They're in win mode now because they have a franchise talent, it's not that hard to grasp. If they lose their franchise talent, they'd want to get high picks until they come across another Howard/franchise talent. They're not getting franchise talent in return, and they won't win the East with Nelson/Reddick/Gasol/Bynum.

You're just wrong, period. The Jazz decided to go into rebuilding mode by trading away an established star in D-Will for a potential star in Favors. The Nuggets on the other hand did not go the rebuilding route when they traded Melo ... yes they lost an established star but they replaced him without talent to continue the course of being a perrenial playoff contender and actually improved their team in the process. If the Magic trade an established superstar in Dwight for two established stars that is not rebuilding dukie, that is doing what you have to do to not get yourself into a Shaq situation and continue to be a playoff contender and hopeful title team.

I will say it again, just because a team trades an established star does not mean they enter rebuilding mode. If the Jim Buss decided to build around Bynum and to trade Kobe, Walton and Blake for Iggy, Jru and Brand, the Lakers would most definitely not be in a rebuilding mode, they would still be in a win-now mode.

You and I obviously disagree on this issue, I'm right, you're wrong, all's well and good, no worries

{quote]I'm not seeing how that supports your argument. How exactly are we getting raped when we're pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot and possibly a Finals appearance with a Howard/Bryant duo.[/quote]

I'm not sure what you're referring to ... what do you mean "how are we getting raped"?

If anything they're getting cheated on both ends. They lose their star and they don't get even close to equal compensation, especially when there are more suitable trade partners.

Put your trades where your mouth is ... LIST 5-10 better Dwight Howard trades for the Magic than Bynum/Pau/Morris for D12/Bass/Arenas ... SHOW ME SOMETHING DUKIE.

All I need to name are two. Bulls/OKC. Both infinitely better.

Um ... you do realize you just named two TEAMS and not two trade proposals, yes? I agree the Bulls and Thunder are better than a trio of Bynum/Pau/Morris but something tells me the thunder would not trade their entire team for Dwight ... just a hunch I have

Now, LIST THE TRADE PROPOSALS, don't punk out and mention two teams ... also ... you'll note I already discussed the Bulls so you're basically playing 50% off what I already said ... you said there were PLENTY of better trade ops for the Magic and now you are listing one I already listed and ONE other ... I'm not sure about you doctor but I don't think "one" is synonymous with "plenty"

I'll help you here though, no charge.

LAKERS OFFER: Bynum, Pau and Morris for D12, Arenas and Bass

BULLS OFFER: Noah, Deng, Gibson, Asik and Watson for D12, Hedo, Bass and Duhon

CLIPPERS OFFER: Kaman, Foye, Gomes, Faouq-Aminu and #1 picks for Dwight and Hedo

Sorry Dukie but the Lakers offer above is definitely the BEST OFFER so I'd love to see these "plenty" of better trades when the best you can come up with is mentioning one original team and having the two trades above explained for you ...

The Bulls offer is just flat out worse than the Lakers. Not only would Dwight remain in the Eastern Conference which I doubt the Magic want, but they would be getting rid of Hedo and duhon rather than the uber-expensive Arenas. They would also be getting back and an undersigned C with a long expensive contract and a quality SF with a long expensive contract rather than the second best true C in the game in Bynum and a dominant PF in Pau. Taj Gibson and Asik are nice and provide depth but so what, the Lakers trade is still much better.

The Clippers offer actually SUCKS ... sure it would be good if they are guaranteed the picks they get from the Clippers turn into top 3 picks but they could also turn into a Jerald Sullinger (yuck!) ... Kaman and Foye are nothing but expiring deals, Gomes is actually a bad addition and Aminu is young, and ... um, that's it ... he's nothing special at all ... if you want the Magic to enter rebuilding mode this is definitely the way to do it as they would instantly transform themselves into one of the WORST TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE ... good job doctor dukie

I keep telling you, the Magic would more than likely let Dwight leave before agreeing in principle to a trade with the Lakers. And I'm done saying it, it doesn't get anymore simple than that.

You may be right if you're just stating Otis Smith is an idiot, but if you are stating that you actually agree with such an idiotic strategy, I don't have much hope for you

Who said the meaning of cancer was limited to those things? For us, Pau was a cancer on the court. And I'm not blaming the whole post season on him, because the whole team believed in this switch thing. But he was a big reason.

He got outplayed by Dirk ... so did everyone else ... he was not a "cancer"

I called you an NBA executive sarcastically, and I called you "the trade master" sarcastically.

The trade master quote wasn't sarcastic ... go read your own quote and the context ... you conceded Dukie, period.

In fact if you haven't been able to tell, most of my post geared towards you are brash/sarcastic. Not because that's just how I post (and it is), but that's the only way I can respond to the nonsense.

It's actually because you feel inferior in regards to basketball knowledge and rightly so, no big deal, many do

You just happened to quote me and take out the sarcasm in the trade master quote. And that's what I am, an anonymous forum poster. If you truly think you're any more than that, you have issues.

I think every one on this forum is more than that, we're all real people with real lives and some with real insights and knowledge ... there are even real ballers that post on this site from time to time ... no one is "just an anonymous poster", we're all somebody in one way or another.

You are the only person I've ever heard consider Pau a first ballot HOF, you're acting as if I said he's going to get snubbed for the HOF. Regardless, your swipes leave me unscathed.

I do believe Pau should be a first ballot HOF'er and stand by that. People judge his hall credentials only on what he's done in the NBA and people forget all he's accomplished internationally.

How are the Magic better with Gasol/Bynum, than with having Howard?

I honestly believe the Magic would be better with a Gasol/Bynum frontcourt than a Howard/Anderson frontcourt ... both Bynum and Pau can score in the paint and while Howard has improved he still is not even as deadly as Bynum offensively. However the question isn't really if the Magic would better with a Bynum/Pau duo than a Howard/Anderson duo ... it is whether they would be better with a Bynum/Pau duo than a Noah/Gibson or Kaman/Anderson or whatever else they can get in trade for D12.

Neither player has the impact Howard does. But you're right injuries do come into play. Bynum will more than likely suffer an injury, leaving only you to compare Howard to Gasol. So are they still a better team? No.

Obviously Howard is better than Pau, that isn't the question ... the question is what team can realistically offer the Magic the best trade for Dwight and I maintain it's the Lakers ... I'm still waiting to see your "plenty" of trade opps that are better but I have the feeling I never will.

This "schooling" must've been the highlight of your life, because it's all you keep harping on.

I'm a Christian, married my h.s. sweetheart, have 8 children, have authored 20+ books, etc, etc, etc ... schooling you would come somewhere near the bottom of my "highlights", hahahaha.

If you consider being over the cap by $2 mil on a trade getting schooled, then whatever. But you've never done any more than that, and how you could sit up here and suggest otherwise is blasphemy.

I can create 100 trades in an hour everyone of them on the monmey financially ... you couldn't come up with two ... I can't wait to see the "plenty" for Dwight ... will I ever see them? Hmmmmm ... this looks like another schooling in the making dukie.

In all of my 10 months on this board, I haven't known any of your predictions to come true. So go ahead and tell us which ones have. And I don't mean to name drop or anything, but Doormatt sh*ts out trades that make more sense than anything you've ever posted. You're only limited to posting trade ideas on the Lakers board because anywhere else you'd be horribly ridiculed.

Check my sig goof-ball for one prediciton that I nailed, check the Pau trade, check my call on the Mavs beating the Heat, check my call on the Grizz beating the Spurs, etc, etc, etc ... I think we need a competition on this forum so that people like you can actuaklly put up or shut up ... the last time we had our go round I begged you to put up or shut up with some trade opps and you ignored me for ever and then finally after exercising all your brain power posted your best which didn't even work financially, hahahahaha ... get real dukie ... I am now CALLING YOU OUT to post "plenty" of realistic trades that would be better for the Magic than my proposed Bynum/Pau/Morris for D12/Arenas/Bass ... I predict I'll be waiting a loooong time .... please make my prediciton wrong and put up or shut up dukie.

It blows my mind that someone out there can be as cocky and arrogant about something as insignificant as online trades as you.

You are every bit as cocky as me ... you just shouldn't be ... regardless it isn't cocky if you're right ... it isn't cocky for Kobe or Lebron to say they are the best ballers in the league ... it was cocky for Paul Pierce to say that! I don't say or think I'm the best at anything ... I simply say I can create trades that work financially and that's a fact.

Is correctly predicting a trade supposed to make you some sort of prophet or something?

Literally? YES. Biblically? No.

It doesn't and neither does Kobe dropping 65. You need to regroup and find out who you truly are. You are not a genius, you are not a cap expert, and you aren't superior to anyone else on this forum. You are an internet forum poster, just as the rest of us.

Read this back ... to yourself .... very slowly ... while looking in the mirror

Man, I know that some people like to think otherwise when they're mod. I can only imagine what you'd be like if you ever became one.

I wouldn't want to be a mod, no time for such ... I've been on this site for almost 5 years and have under 1,100 posts ... you've been on here for like 9 months and have almost 4,000! You post like 14 times a day ... me, less than 1 ... you be the mod and have fun exercising your authority over little ole me, hahahaha

By the way, go back and read our posts dukie ... you constantly start arguments with me for nothing and then get smacked and then whine that I shouldn't act that way ... if you don't like my posts, don't respond to them, simple as that ... however ... I'm still waiting to see "plenty" of realisitic FINANCIALLY SOUND trade opps that are better for the Magic than mine ...

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It's not everyday when there are two people arguing and one of them replies with exactly everything the person who responded before them pointed out. But you've done just that. Last post I was halfway out by not quoting, this time I'll quote but also this time I'm letting it know that this will be my last post in this thread. Regardless of whatever nonsense you manage to come up with.

I'm not going to bother refuting every paragraph because they only prove my point, and the rest are pointless.

"Other posters reference them from time to time."

This is a lie. There have been no "posters" that reference that, there has only been one "poster" to do so and that was 2 days ago.

back at the last trade deadline we got into some massive trade debates and almost every trade you ridiculed me on and posted your own was FINANCIALLY WRONG ... you admitted not understanding trade financials and I said it was no big deal as you were merely ignorant... I challenged you to list some solid trades and every trade you listed couldn't work financially.

This is another lie. And the fact that you're this arrogant is beginning to make me dislike you as not a poster, but as a person. You only got one thing correct in this entire paragraph and that was the last sentence. You did have me post some trade, which I made note of in my last post. It's hysterical how everything is so one-sided in your stories. What's more hysterical than that is how everything seems to somehow favor you.

It's no big deal that I hammered you, I hammer everyone.

Arrogance isn't even the word to describe this. Just flat out sickening, especially when it isn't even close to being true. Neither part.

He got outplayed by Dirk ... so did everyone else ... he was not a "cancer"

So Dirk plays for the Hornets too?

The trade master quote wasn't sarcastic ... go read your own quote and the context ... you conceded Dukie, period.

I'm not even going to trip about you trying to take swipes about NBA financials because it's just not worth it. But now you're truly insulting my intelligence and I'm getting close to running out of patience. You know that's not how I posted it, and I know it. Right where the "..." is conveniently located where the sarcastic part was. I've never conceded anything to you, but I will concede this. If trees had brains, then arguing with you would be like arguing with a retarted oak tree. You have no sense of reality, and it doesn't matter who it is you won't budge. You've always got to be right.

I'm a Christian, married my h.s. sweetheart, have 8 children, have authored 20+ books, etc, etc, etc ... schooling you would come somewhere near the bottom of my "highlights", hahahaha.

I do not care about your religion, I do not care about your orientation. I do not care about the number of children you may have, and I care equally as much about the success you say you have received. When you lie, you lie. And so far you've done nothing but lie. But I pray to Based God that you're a children's author.

You are every bit as cocky as me ... you just shouldn't be ... regardless it isn't cocky if you're right

I'm cocky? I may be sarcastic, but I'm not cocky. The only place I've even been considered "brash/arrogant/cocky" in is the Comm Thread, and everyone there knows I'm not any of those things. I'm just an ass that happens to get along with a majority of everyone on this board. And that's just the thing, you aren't right. You have yet to be right in this entire thread.

Read this back ... to yourself .... very slowly ... while looking in the mirror

The things I said in that post are things I took directly from your post. I never claimed to be any of those things, therefore I'm fine just sitting here shaking my head at you.

I wouldn't want to be a mod, no time for such ... I've been on this site for almost 5 years and have under 1,100 posts ... you've been on here for like 9 months and have almost 4,000! You post like 14 times a day ... me, less than 1 ... you be the mod and have fun exercising your authority over little ole me, hahahaha

There's a reason why you have less than one post and such a low post count. All you do is post trades that rip off every team involved except the Lakers, therefore you cannot make posts on the GB or the T&T board. The trade thread isn't active and you can't make trade posts in the Comm. thread, thus rendering you useless and having to create threads like these. And the only reason why you have that less than one post is because no one but myself replies to them, which then creates long debates like the current one. In other words, you may thank me for half of the posts you've accumulated thus far and making you relevant. Because obviously that's what you think I've done since you go around posting with a botched quote from your's truly.

By the way, go back and read our posts dukie ... you constantly start arguments with me for nothing and then get smacked and then whine that I shouldn't act that way ... if you don't like my posts, don't respond to them, simple as that

Anyone can see that this has been a one sided debate, one in which not one smack (as if one has ever occurred) has been delivered by you. Who's wining? All I'm saying is that you have the audacity to post around here like you're a prophet. I've seen many a people on the internet, but I have never seen anyone as arrogant as you ever make keystrokes.


dockingsched, Darko, Snaq, Ty. If any of you get a chance, would you please lock up this thread.

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