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Goudelock or Morris?
Can any only of them be our starting point guard?
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Morris has the potential to be a quality starting PG in this league but he'll probably need 2-3 years. The kid is a pass-first true PG with unbelieveable vision ... he just needs to develop his jumper.
Goudelock is a career role player who should be able to stick around for a long time due to his shooting ability ... and there is nothing bad about that.
Goudelock is a career role player who should be able to stick around for a long time due to his shooting ability ... and there is nothing bad about that.
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I like both of these picks, we just have to develop them rather quickly and hope they catch on.
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SmartWentCrazy wrote:It's extremely unlikely that they end up in the top 3.They're probably better off trying to win and giving Philly the 8th pick than tanking and giving them the 4th.
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DEEP3CL wrote:I like both of these picks, we just have to develop them rather quickly and hope they catch on.
hopefully with this "delay" they can take advantage of the time and work with the team. high on both since the Lakers have been searching for youth, athleticism, range, and other PG qualities that the two have. unfortunately those qualities are divided into two different players but I'm optimistic they can work on their weaknesses and the team will have two solid contributors.
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I went to high school with Darius Morris's older brother, Dwayne.
Dwayne was pretty good at ball (he graduated high school 2001, when Darius was 10).
Darius was a fixture around the gym even at such a young age, constantly running out and shooting during timeouts, breaks, etc.
I'm happy to see him in the league. he was a funny little kid back then. my vote goes to Darius
Dwayne was pretty good at ball (he graduated high school 2001, when Darius was 10).
Darius was a fixture around the gym even at such a young age, constantly running out and shooting during timeouts, breaks, etc.
I'm happy to see him in the league. he was a funny little kid back then. my vote goes to Darius

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If we could somehow combine them we'd have a damn good rookie guard. I think neither will work out, but I'm liking Morris a bit more.
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Goudelock is a short SG. Unless he is fortunate to start in tnd NBA next to a tall PG (or a SG who handles the rock like a PG), he won't ever be a starter in the league.
Morris can be a starter, but like every situation with yougsters, it just all depends on the situation.
Morris could be a given a chance to be starter if he is ever in the postion where his coach has three or four starters who are excellent offensive players and can shoot the ball well.
Until he learns to play off the ball, something he could not do as a freshman, his role with the Lakers will be extremely limited.
In my opinion, Steve Blake should be the absolute perfect mentor for Morris. Blake had very similiar issues as Morris coming out of college (floor generals with questionable shooting/off-ball skills).
Goudelock should have more immeadiate impact than Morris, but that's really not saying that much because I don't expect much from either one this year (although Goudlock will probably have a few breakout games when there's an injury).
If Morris studies Blake and shoots hundreds of thousands of catch and shoot jumpers, he'll definitely beat out Blake by the time Blake's contract is up.
Morris can be a starter, but like every situation with yougsters, it just all depends on the situation.
Morris could be a given a chance to be starter if he is ever in the postion where his coach has three or four starters who are excellent offensive players and can shoot the ball well.
Until he learns to play off the ball, something he could not do as a freshman, his role with the Lakers will be extremely limited.
In my opinion, Steve Blake should be the absolute perfect mentor for Morris. Blake had very similiar issues as Morris coming out of college (floor generals with questionable shooting/off-ball skills).
Goudelock should have more immeadiate impact than Morris, but that's really not saying that much because I don't expect much from either one this year (although Goudlock will probably have a few breakout games when there's an injury).
If Morris studies Blake and shoots hundreds of thousands of catch and shoot jumpers, he'll definitely beat out Blake by the time Blake's contract is up.
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Thanks you guys I'm veer grateful for all the responses I got. I hope both draft pick workout well
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ALL HAIL wrote:Goudelock is a short SG. Unless he is fortunate to start in tnd NBA next to a tall PG (or a SG who handles the rock like a PG), he won't ever be a starter in the league.
Morris can be a starter, but like every situation with yougsters, it just all depends on the situation.
Morris could be a given a chance to be starter if he is ever in the postion where his coach has three or four starters who are excellent offensive players and can shoot the ball well.
Until he learns to play off the ball, something he could not do as a freshman, his role with the Lakers will be extremely limited.
In my opinion, Steve Blake should be the absolute perfect mentor for Morris. Blake had very similiar issues as Morris coming out of college (floor generals with questionable shooting/off-ball skills).
Goudelock should have more immeadiate impact than Morris, but that's really not saying that much because I don't expect much from either one this year (although Goudlock will probably have a few breakout games when there's an injury).
If Morris studies Blake and shoots hundreds of thousands of catch and shoot jumpers, he'll definitely beat out Blake by the time Blake's contract is up.
That could be said about Fisher years ago.

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Youth is key. So let the better one stand up.
Wow, they did not lock this one like the Ariza one. I go with Trevor any day. But Lakers will have no money so whats the point.
Wow, they did not lock this one like the Ariza one. I go with Trevor any day. But Lakers will have no money so whats the point.
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Goudelock is a beast beyond the arc. I've been watching his works on NCAA replays on xbox live. He also got the NCAA 3pt Camp trophy. Definitely shooter, Mo Williams type younger Fisher... He's clutch too.
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And this thought is based on what ?Doormatt wrote:If we could somehow combine them we'd have a damn good rookie guard. I think neither will work out, but I'm liking Morris a bit more.
Goudelock is pretty much a pure shooter, something we need badly. And Morris is about as pure of a lead guard you're going to get. Forget the fact that they wasn't picked in the 1st round. I've seen both play and I'm confident they'll both work out.
But c'mon Dmatt, you're smarter than that man...I wanna here your reasoning.
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can we base it on gut feel? 
I'm not speaking for Doormatt, we just have the same pick. I'm leaning towards Morris cause I'm a fan of lengthy point guards that have a slashing game and probably won't be a defensive liability. though I like Goudelock's range, I see him as one dimensional. haven't seen him play much though so I think I'm being unfair.

I'm not speaking for Doormatt, we just have the same pick. I'm leaning towards Morris cause I'm a fan of lengthy point guards that have a slashing game and probably won't be a defensive liability. though I like Goudelock's range, I see him as one dimensional. haven't seen him play much though so I think I'm being unfair.
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tugs wrote:can we base it on gut feel?
I'm not speaking for Doormatt, we just have the same pick. I'm leaning towards Morris cause I'm a fan of lengthy point guards that have a slashing game and probably won't be a defensive liability. though I like Goudelock's range, I see him as one dimensional. haven't seen him play much though so I think I'm being unfair.
Your not being unfair, your just going off what you know and there is nothing wrong with that
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I would hope its Morris since he has the size, so tired of seeing opposition PG tourching the crap out of ours no matter the name listed on the back of the Jersey, guys from Boykins to Troy Hudson has had a field day against our teams over the years.
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yeah its more of a gut feeling tbh. havent seen much of either of them to make a real analysis.
i just dont think one dimensional (which is what i consider Goudelock) rookies work out very well, they take awhile to find their niche. i like the ball-handling and general PG skills Morris already has, i like his ability to get penetration, and he seems to be a more solid defender. i think his shot will come, as he seems to be a very hard worker.
i definitely agree we need a shooter, but we also need another playmaker on the perimeter nearly as much. kobe has just clearly lost a step, and i think he'll start transitioning more off the ball, and definitely will attack the rim less often. we need not only a shooter, but somebody who has the threat of being able to get to the rim somewhat consistently (really at all, since neither blake or fish can).
i just dont think one dimensional (which is what i consider Goudelock) rookies work out very well, they take awhile to find their niche. i like the ball-handling and general PG skills Morris already has, i like his ability to get penetration, and he seems to be a more solid defender. i think his shot will come, as he seems to be a very hard worker.
i definitely agree we need a shooter, but we also need another playmaker on the perimeter nearly as much. kobe has just clearly lost a step, and i think he'll start transitioning more off the ball, and definitely will attack the rim less often. we need not only a shooter, but somebody who has the threat of being able to get to the rim somewhat consistently (really at all, since neither blake or fish can).
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Hmmm Goudelock is very intriguing because of his range but i know nothing of this kid, did anybody follow his college career? I mean nice that he can shoot from anywhere on the court and he's supposedly lights out but didn't they say the same about Sasha? Is Goudelock going to be lights out at warmups but in the game jacks up bricks?? Also is Goudelock one dimensional? If so i'm very afraid.
It seems like the ceiling for Goudelock would be JR Smith and this might be a long dream, while the rock bottom for him is being the next Sasha. I don't think Goudelock has JR's athleticism or skillset to score in multiple ways such as get to the rim for dunks. Looking more like a black version of Sasha.
It seems like the ceiling for Goudelock would be JR Smith and this might be a long dream, while the rock bottom for him is being the next Sasha. I don't think Goudelock has JR's athleticism or skillset to score in multiple ways such as get to the rim for dunks. Looking more like a black version of Sasha.
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To me, Goudelock is a pure scorer. Watching his highlight reels he looks like he has a nice feel for the game and isn't just limited to jacking up 3s. But when he does jack up 3s they're pretty ridiculous/indefensible. Seems like he can create for himself and spot-up.
If given the chance, he should be more effective than Sasha.
If given the chance, he should be more effective than Sasha.
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crazyeights wrote:To me, Goudelock is a pure scorer. Watching his highlight reels he looks like he has a nice feel for the game and isn't just limited to jacking up 3s. But when he does jack up 3s they're pretty ridiculous/indefensible. Seems like he can create for himself and spot-up.
If given the chance, he should be more effective than Sasha.
sasha was given the chance. showed everyone he was a 15mil/3yr contract guy. his 20 points were the difference in game 3 of the 2008 finals.
then he got injured, and pouted like a girl and was never the same again

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Some of his highlights are pretty nice, his shooting is out of the world, but he can also drive and dish too