Should Mike Brown consider starting Goudelock at PG?
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What they should do is start Blake and have Goudelock get Blake's back up minutes. Unfortunately that will never happen. Ask Jordan Farmar.
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I love this guy but he's not really the kind of PG the Lakers need to start. They need a PG that runs the offense well and that can penetrate and score.
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Michael Lucky wrote:What they should do is start Blake and have Goudelock get Blake's back up minutes. Unfortunately that will never happen. Ask Jordan Farmar.
yeah, this. then give fisher any minutes that goudelock was getting, cause you know fisher isn't going to get cut out totally.
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dockingsched wrote:Michael Lucky wrote:What they should do is start Blake and have Goudelock get Blake's back up minutes. Unfortunately that will never happen. Ask Jordan Farmar.
yeah, this. then give fisher any minutes that goudelock was getting, cause you know fisher isn't going to get cut out totally.
at this point i would be happy if we start Jimmy's friend the bartender scout at the pg position.
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snaquille oatmeal wrote:dockingsched wrote:Michael Lucky wrote:What they should do is start Blake and have Goudelock get Blake's back up minutes. Unfortunately that will never happen. Ask Jordan Farmar.
yeah, this. then give fisher any minutes that goudelock was getting, cause you know fisher isn't going to get cut out totally.
at this point i would be happy if we start Jimmy's friend the bartender scout at the pg position.
At least he knows something about making shots.
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ScramboD8 wrote:I love this guy but he's not really the kind of PG the Lakers need to start. They need a PG that runs the offense well and that can penetrate and score.
He isn't the best in the league for those things, but I would argue that he is better than Fisher or Blake in all of those areas, so until management wakes up he should be the temporary answer.
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Gek wrote:Our solution is not to start a rookie, second round draft pick and undersized shooting guard.
Who cares where he was drafted!!!!!! The kid can ball.
No one said that it would be any type of "solution" - you have to go with who's on your roster.
The current starter is a 37 year old!! The guy can't even move his feet. Can't play D. Can't shoot. Can't pass. On probably any other team he would be regulated high-five guy and spot up duty (too bad Walton already has that spot.)
The alternative is Blake, who you think would start based on experience, but Goudelock has a floater that Blake does not. Blake is too timid to shoot sometimes when he needs to.
Let the rookie at least be outplayed by Blake or Fisher, neither of which has happened.
I feel the same way with the Metta/Barnes/Ebanks situation. I have really yet to see Metta earn the starting spot, he's been so inconsistent. Not sure why Ebanks gets 0 PT...
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He should have started Goudlock back in December and the entire time Blake was hurt.
If Goudlock averaged 10 points or better w/ PT, we could have traded he and Drew for D-12. Giving the young talent a chance to shine more would have been my move if I were coach w/ Blake injured for a 5 weeks. Use Fish is the 4th.
If Goudlock averaged 10 points or better w/ PT, we could have traded he and Drew for D-12. Giving the young talent a chance to shine more would have been my move if I were coach w/ Blake injured for a 5 weeks. Use Fish is the 4th.
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Goudelock is a pure 2 through & through. The good thing that Brown has done is not try to make him into something he's not.
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Yeah, I'm all for an expanded role, but I think it might be more about trying to ease him into a position he's never played before rather than just throwing him into the fire and risk f'ing up his confidence.
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Not necessarily starting but I do think he needs more minutes
Right now he's only getting the leftovers after Kobe at SG...I'd want to see him grab some minutes from Blake/Fisher or even go small sometimes(when our SF are useless,which is quite often,unfortunately)
with a PG/Goudelock/Kobe lineup
He needs at least 15 mins a night and he's not getting it.
The rotations are too simple,split between Blake/Fisher at PG,Kobe/Goudelock at SG,MWP/Barnes at the SF and a 3 man rotation in the frontcourt... Kobe never sees time on the floor with G-lock
Wanna see some dynamic lineups,from time to time,some changes,to see how different lineups work
Right now he's only getting the leftovers after Kobe at SG...I'd want to see him grab some minutes from Blake/Fisher or even go small sometimes(when our SF are useless,which is quite often,unfortunately)
with a PG/Goudelock/Kobe lineup
He needs at least 15 mins a night and he's not getting it.
The rotations are too simple,split between Blake/Fisher at PG,Kobe/Goudelock at SG,MWP/Barnes at the SF and a 3 man rotation in the frontcourt... Kobe never sees time on the floor with G-lock
Wanna see some dynamic lineups,from time to time,some changes,to see how different lineups work
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he really cant play defense against.. anybody though. hes too small and simply cant guard 2s, and hes meh against 1s. granted blake isnt much better. i really dont see any reason fisher gets minutes ever. his role/minutes should be totally reversed with goudelocks.
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Iamabeasttt wrote:i think he should start at PG.. he's a decent passer, but he can penetrate and score. the defense collapses on him and even if he misses that floater after penetrating the bigs will be there to put it back in.
Just some stats when he played PG(I'm talking about when he was played a decent number of mins,not in garbage time at the beginning of the season)..he played mostly at SG,but there was that stretch when Blake was out and Morris really struggled,so Brown used him as the backup PG
7 games sample
20,4 mpg 10,3 ppg on 51% FG(28-55) 45% 3P(10-22) 100% FT(6-6)...now his defense isn't that great(neither is Fisher's or Blake's)and he isn't a playmaker(we already knew this)but he is way more efficient and scores a lot more than the other 2 PG's we have
For example,Blake and Fisher score COMBINED just 11,3 ppg and shoot just 38% from the field and 31% from deep...they do have more assists per game(6,8 combined) but they do play a whole lot more and this doesn't really negate their inefficiency and lack of scoring
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It seems like Mike Brown is to by the book. He's not as creative as Phil Jackson. Brown thinks because you are a shooting guard than you play that position, because your a small forward same thing.
Phil used to run lineups of Kobe, Farmar, Sasha at the same time with Kobe at SF. Mike Brown could do something similair with Bynum, Gasol, Kobe, Goudelock, Blake at certain times of the game.
But Brown just isnt creative like that unfortunately. If the big three are drawing a lot of attention G-Lock would get a ton of wide open threes and defenders running at him, which would open up his pump fake pull up jumper or pump fake, attack and finish with the floater
Phil used to run lineups of Kobe, Farmar, Sasha at the same time with Kobe at SF. Mike Brown could do something similair with Bynum, Gasol, Kobe, Goudelock, Blake at certain times of the game.
But Brown just isnt creative like that unfortunately. If the big three are drawing a lot of attention G-Lock would get a ton of wide open threes and defenders running at him, which would open up his pump fake pull up jumper or pump fake, attack and finish with the floater