Kobe's "Quitting" During Game 7's

[Sunsdeuce]

Can I ask a question? Why does Kobe blame everyone but himself when things go bad? As a suns fan I clearly remember game 7 of the suns series. Kobe wasn't doubled as much as some of lakers fans claim. Yes Kobe did quit and everyone knew it from Barkley to magic Johnson.

I can appreciate your loyalty to your favorite players but you have to admit he did quit. I guess that's my biggest grip with Kobe, he is so quick to disrespect his teammates when he isn't perfect himself!

[milesfides]

I guess you didn't read the thread

[tysonironmike]

Can I ask a question? Why does Kobe blame everyone but himself when things go bad? As a suns fan I clearly remember game 7 of the suns series. Kobe wasn't doubled as much as some of lakers fans claim. Yes Kobe did quit and everyone knew it from Barkley to magic Johnson.

I can appreciate your loyalty to your favorite players but you have to admit he did quit. I guess that's my biggest grip with Kobe, he is so quick to disrespect his teammates when he isn't perfect himself!

Read the first page. Stop talking ****.

[Imadogg]

Suns fan makes a point, Kobe points the finger a lot at everyone but himself

[tysonironmike]

Suns fan makes a point, Kobe points the finger a lot at everyone but himself

Example?

What should he have done? Thrown the ball down low to Kwame Brown who wanted no part of it or passed it off to Smush Parker?

I think when he has pointed the finger, It has been pretty fair. He has supported his team mates quite often also.

[Imadogg]

Suns fan makes a point, Kobe points the finger a lot at everyone but himself

Example?

What should he have done? Thrown the ball down low to Kwame Brown who wanted no part of it or passed it off to Smush Parker?

I think when he has pointed the finger, It has been pretty fair. He has supported his team mates quite often also.

Oh I don't mean about that game, don't remember what he said then. But recently towards the end of the season and I believe in round 1, a lot of times when he shot horribly and he could have said I need to shoot better or whatever, he'll deflect the blame and say something like "the offense needs to run better", "our bigs need to be more aggressive"....

[Sunsdeuce]

Suns fan makes a point, Kobe points the finger a lot at everyone but himself

Example?

What should he have done? Thrown the ball down low to Kwame Brown who wanted no part of it or passed it off to Smush Parker?

I think when he has pointed the finger, It has been pretty fair. He has supported his team mates quite often also.

Oh I don't mean about that game, don't remember what he said then. But recently towards the end of the season and I believe in round 1, a lot of times when he shot horribly and he could have said I need to shoot better or whatever, he'll deflect the blame and say something like "the offense needs to run better", "our bigs need to be more aggressive"....

Thats my point. Isnt a leader suppose to take the blame and put it on his shoulders and not point fingers.

[microfib4thewin]

There aren't many star players who are willing to take the blame. Nash and Kobe are no different. Why did I mention Nash? Because he was still fuming about the Gasol trade after they were eliminated in 2010. Every time he loses he blames it on circumstances, whether it be refs or the Gasol trade, never mind that the Suns could play better defense if they want a bigger chance at winning a title. Nash and the Suns in general never admitted that they have flaws in their gameplan that they need to overcome, that is why I do not believe they will win a title even when they don't have to deal with JJ's injury in the 05 playoffs, Amare in 06, or Amare and Diaw's suspension in 07. Those events do not mask the fact that the Suns cannot put up necessary stops and they do not have an isolation scorer who can score in clutch time.

If a star player doesn't hold himself accountable it's pretty much expected, but if he does then it's a rare positive trait that any fan should appreciate.

[RocketPower23]

Nash is a terrific clutch time performer. I don't see a correlation between Nash's supposed lack of accountability and the Suns defensive shortcomings.

[Mamba Venom]

This thread isnpired my sig.

Kobe Game 7's

WIN Por 27,11,7,0,4 (Shaq 18,9,5,0,1)
Kobe gets Shaq over the hump leads Lakers in pnt, reb, ast and BLOCKS (what - Blocks Sebonis) in the real NBA Finals (Blazers would have beat the Pacers)
WIN Sac 30,10,7,2,0 (Again the real NBA Finals, Kings would've beat the Nets)
LOSS Pho 24,4,1,0,1 -Luke 2nd leading scorer-only L
WIN Hou 32,8,4,2,0
WIN Bos 23,15,2,1,0 -Real NBA Finals
WIN Den 17,1,8,0,1

[RocketPower23]

Your Houston game 7 is incorrect.

[Mamba Venom]

Nash is a terrific clutch time performer. I don't see a correlation between Nash's supposed lack of accountability and the Suns defensive shortcomings.

It is that as a team leader and 2 time MVP he doesn't preach D. Magic didn't either. Both guys are tough as neails. But many see those prime Suns teams and think, man if they just focused more on D they would have won a chip or 2. They needed a center that could run ala Tyson Chandler w/ the Hornets. They could have had him instead of sending all those 1st round picks + bad contracts to the Blazers.

That team was so simular to showtime. But they never tried to fill the big man role or even the Kareem role. It will always be what could have and should have been for me. Nash is my fav non Laker player.

[microfib4thewin]

Nash is a terrific clutch time performer. I don't see a correlation between Nash's supposed lack of accountability and the Suns defensive shortcomings.

From what I noticed, Nash is great at staging comebacks and making game tying shots, but he is terrible at game winners during the playoffs. Either he can't do it because of stamina issues or a lack of Killer instinct is something no one would know, but clutch time scoring is a problem for Phoenix because you need to run isolation plays to get a shot off and the Nash-Amare PnR can get shut down by last minute defense.