Deron Williams Discusses L.A. Possibilities

[MelosSoreWrist]

If they get Pau, he'll help them win games... for 2-3 years... that's bad, because the Nets will want to rebuild if they lose Deron, rather than be mediocre, and Pau makes sure they're not god awful, while causing the team to pay alot of money for a bad strategic direction, which will lead them right back where they were in 2-3 years.

I'm worried guys don't understand how leverage with teams over the cap and S&T's works, but with only 3 posts I'll excuse you for making a mistake. For a rebuilding team, less talent is often more (see the Hornets, who have done much better from the Clippers trade for Paul, even though that trade made them less talented this season)

The nets arent going to move to Brooklyn with a bottom 3 team. If they lose out on Deron Williams, everyone is in the picture, young, old, expensive or cheap.

[AnaheimRoyale]

The irony is I think Pau is more valuable than alot of Lakers fans seem to, but he's not valuable to a rebuilding team, which is what NJ will need to become without Deron (and please, they're moving regardless of how many wins they can get in season 1, this is a city who has hosted the Knicks for the last 12 years after all, not like the expectations will be high). Pau's value is also very low now, and in the current Laker environment it'll get worse before it gets better.

As a Spurs fan I'd love Pau, if he was there instead of Diaw and Splitter, we'd be winning the title this year, no question.

[TruSkool]

this trade should and would make LAL favorites next year.

deron williams
kobe bryant
ron artest
pau gasol
brook lopez

thats probably the best starting 5 in the nba.

[AnaheimRoyale]

Sorry, how are you getting Lopez too?

The Lakers should have gotten further this year too... but it's hard with the way Kobe was playing, and Mike Brown was responding to his play.

[milesfides]

Jim Buss isn't going to trade Bynum for Deron Williams. I'm sure even David Stern would have OK'ed a Bynum deal for Chris Paul, but the Lakers have essentially made Bynum untouchable. I'd do this trade, I'd do it for Kyrie Irving, but Jim Buss? Yeah right.

The last remaining big men in this year's playoffs are Perkins/Joel Anthony/Haslem/Bosh and Ibaka. Even last season the teams that did well had mobile big men running the floor and hitting outside shots. I really can't see any reason in still holding onto the "Size" argument when approaching deals.

If the player is better we just have to make a move. I hope the Lakers realize this.

We could theoretically use Bynum and Pau together but with Mike Brown, that size advantage becomes a liability in mobility and speed.

Sure, but you have to realize the logical perspective isn't common belief. The value of legit big men has always been inflated, and this is most painfully apparent in the draft.

To be fair, there is a good reason for this prejudice, which is the dearth of human beings that tall and large. So if one or two of them actually have real talent, that's a huge advantage. On the other hand, you can have one of the most talented basketball players in the world, who is 6'4", but the advantage is small, because of the large number of good players that size.

Theoretically, and traditionally, the size advantage should win (Lakers and Spurs have been a testament to that), but the new rules (allowing for types of illegal defense and outlawing hand checking) certainly favors guards.

But you play to your talent. You can't play inside if you don't have post threats. You can't play uptempo if you don't have personnel.

The Lakers under Jim Buss have invested heavily in Andrew Bynum, so it's obvious what their intentions are. They're going to try to impose that advantage on other teams. It had mixed results, good year for him personally, but the Lakers had so many problems on so many different levels, you can defend trading him or not trading him.

Obviously I've argued again and again that the Lakers should trade him, since the Kobe-Pau duo is proven and effective (while featuring Bynum has led to 2 straight early exits), and getting a second elite guard would fit the 2 Guard-1 Big paradigm.

But Jim Buss has invested heavily in Bynum (7 years), and Mike Brown (big long contract), so unless the Lakers completely abandon their vision of the future (halfcourt, defensive game), I can't see how they would trade Bynum for D-Will.

I would, but I think the Lakers have generally been risk-averse, slow-moving, and stubborn. And Jim Buss certainly wants to do things his way.

[Kilroy]

Bynum isn't a liability, our liability is the same as it's been for several years... Kobe's the only reliable outside shooter... And with his increasing struggles, that liability is terminal.

The other commonality about the remaining teams, is they can all hit outside shots by the ton.

So valuing Bynum at a high level doesn't make Jim Buss an idiot. And I've never heard him call Bynum untouchable... If he did, I agree... That would be stupid.

But as much as Bynum's size advantage might be over-blown, giving up that much size in a trade for a PG is tough... Especially when it comes with Bynum's skill.

So I think being hesitant is the right move, but refusing to deal for DWIll would be ridiculous. And I don't think anyone is saying that.

[stunnar0b]

Id love me some dwill not sure if its worth giving up bynum though. We need to pick up an athletic stretch four man to pair with bynum. that way he can beast all game and not qorry bout another 7'1" guy clogging the paint. i know with dwill at the point and gasol at the five we've put up mad points but we've be giving up baskets left and right. we just got to try invloving only pau + whatever ofcourse easier said then done

[lakerz12]

if Bynum and Pau found a way to perform their best in the playoffs, and we added one good but not great wing player (Odom type), we already have enough to win a championship

[Kilroy]

We'd need a vastly improved bench to win a championship as well...

And frankly, I think the Pau/Bynum playing well together consistently ship has sailed... One of them has to go. Hopefully to bring back more than just a good wing.

[Bandwagon1]

Fix the bench

Then talk about a blockbuster deal.

[showtimePL]

We must build a team that fits! Either around Bynum and Kobe making them premiere post options and surrounding with outside shooting or swapping Bynum for Deron and making Deron-Pau high pick and roll (highly unstoppable) with Kobe on the block. The case is that players we got now dont make a good fit together.

As far as im concerned:
Option 1:
Deron for Bynum
McBob for Dorrell
Resign Hill and Sessions
Sign Lamar

G:Deron-Sessions-Kobe
F:Metta, Pau, Lamar, Dorrell
C:Hill

Option 2:
Pau for Bosh, Jones (Bosh can really play, hes great stretch 4 and very good stepping out to guard perimeter. We might even get away with switching him onto slower guards. The only disadvantage of this trade is that we make Miami even better than they are now)
Resign Sessions
Sign Lamar
TPE for Mo Williams

G: Mo, Kobe, Sessions
F: Metta, JJ, Lamar, Bosh
C:Bynum

We make Kobe and Bynum our post options, but we have improved spacing with Mo and Bosh who actually, in contrary to Pau, feels comfortable on perimeter.

And we need to stop acting like we didnt make the playoffs and stop throwing around ideas of trading Pau for picks. Top 10 pick is high risk and will probably never reach skill of even present Gasols game. And if we do, we should blow up the team, amnesty Kobe to let him play for the win and tank top 3 picks to build around Bynum. Not a bad idea, but everyone who thinks that we can trade Pau for Derrick Williams and Beasley and be in contention is wrong.

Oh, guys, sorry for my English, there will be mistakes but im making progress

[miggs]

I don't want Bosh anywhere near this already mediocre squad