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Ettore Messina leaves Lakers for CSKA Moscow

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Re: Ettore Messina leaves Lakers for CSKA Moscow 

Post#21 » by G R E Y » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:11 am

milesfides wrote:Messina, in his interview, implied the Lakers were more or less a sinking ship...

Also, what's the upside of being an assistant coach of the Lakers? Possibility of a promotion? Oh yeah, ask Brian Shaw how that went.


Ouch. Messina's an awesome coach who isn't waiting around when other opportunities where he can actually lead a team are available. I can't wait for him to show what he's got with an NBA team, but I guess that'll have to wait. Lakers are in a big flux from top down, but it's too storied a franchise to stay mired in this state for long.
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Re: Ettore Messina leaves Lakers for CSKA Moscow 

Post#22 » by styLesdavis » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:44 am

Ettore Messina > Mike Brown
... and its not even close.

It was a joke from the beginning that Messina had to assist
Brown.
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Post#23 » by MAMBAEMD » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:07 am

Maybe CSKA Moscow needs an assistant coach or a video guy and Brown can be recruited there....
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Post#24 » by miggs » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:18 am

lakerRD wrote:Maybe CSKA Moscow needs an assistant coach or a video guy and Brown can be recruited there....



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Re: Ettore Messina leaves Lakers for CSKA Moscow 

Post#25 » by Raptor_Claw » Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:57 pm

salmahayek wrote:I'd like to have seen him stay, but can't blame him. Nothing like your own gig and I'm sure the $$$ is better with a lower cost of living.


Moscow is more expensive than LA is.

GREY 1769 wrote:Ouch. Messina's an awesome coach who isn't waiting around when other opportunities where he can actually lead a team are available. I can't wait for him to show what he's got with an NBA team, but I guess that'll have to wait. Lakers are in a big flux from top down, but it's too storied a franchise to stay mired in this state for long.


Messina leaves teams as soon as anything happens that he does not like. He has absolutely zero loyalty, and he is only concerned with his own career advancement.
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Re: Ettore Messina leaves Lakers for CSKA Moscow 

Post#26 » by dockingsched » Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:38 pm

milesfides wrote:Messina, in his interview, implied the Lakers were more or less a sinking ship...


what was said? which interview?

i read his spanish interview, which is REALLY good, but didn't get anything about lakers being a sinking ship at all

http://www.jotdown.es/2012/06/ettore-me ... erlusconi/

Also, what's the upside of being an assistant coach of the Lakers? Possibility of a promotion? Oh yeah, ask Brian Shaw how that went.


i don't think promotion within the same team is the end all or be all of being an assistant. anywhoo, as far a i know, both snyder and person are getting head coaching interviews, so its working out for them. they might even find a position this off-season.
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Re: Ettore Messina leaves Lakers for CSKA Moscow 

Post#27 » by dockingsched » Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:10 pm

here are all his lakers related questions, i'll summarize everything. if anyone thinks i didn't translate correctly, let me know. i'll start with the questions that have him looking back on the season

http://www.jotdown.es/2012/06/ettore-me ... erlusconi/

"¿Cómo juzgas la temporada de los Lakers?" How do you judge the Lakers' Season

(After a few moments of reflection): We had higher expectations. Its been a season of transition. There are a lot of things that could have been done better to improve our play, but three important things happened. first, the vetoed chris paul trade, it left a lot of wounds. Pau had to play til the all-star break with out knowing if he was going to stay or leave. Second was the trade for Ramon Sesssions and the trade of Derek Fisher. A change like that requires time to assimilate to the system, strategy, and emotion of losing Fisher. The third thing, and most important, was the late start, we only had a few weeks to get ready for the season.

Eso le ocurrió a todos los equipos." That was the same for all teams.."

Yes, but not every team had a new head coach with an entirely new system. Those three things led to the season we had.

¿Te parece injusto que la NBA no dejara llegar a Chris Paul? Do you think what the NBA did with the Paul trade was fair

Look, i've become an american. I don't judge. Thats the most surprising thing about being a coach in america. Once we found out Paul wasn't coming, no one said "what an **** David Stern" or "son of a bitch"...no one. What happened, happened. During the season not once did i hear the staff, not even in private, criticize a ref. Never, in Europe thats unimaginable. The night before we started our practices, we were told paul was coming here and pau/odom were out, which was going to change our entire way of playing. Brown and the staff said, wow, we have to change everything. The next day, one hour before our practice, we were told stern blocked it. Kupchak said "Pau, we love u, it is what it is. Sports is a business and we move forward. We're counting on you." And we all went to work. Thats it. Can you imagine something like that happened with Barcelona or Real Madrid?

De hecho, aquí muchos criticaron la decisión de los Lakers de vender a Pau Gasol., Many here criticize the lakers decision to trade pau...

Its funny, cause pau gasol has explained it well in his interviews in the USA. But here in spain those interviews are released "edited". Just look at Ron artest's last interview. After the season, in his last media round he says "the coach has been fantastic, he's helped me a lot, he's not the one that missed big shots or missed key rebounds, like what happened to be in important games. He's not the one that Durant scores on, he's not responsible for that" and after that, jokingly, he says "He's not the one that camme in out of shape, well, on second thought, he's always been out of shape cause he's a fat ass". What was said here in Spain? "ron artest calls his coach a fat ass".

Ya, pero hablábamos de Pau Gasol. ¿Compartes que algunos tildaran de injusta la decisión de los Lakers de traspasar a Pau? Yes, but we're talking about Pau Gasol, do you understand why some think it was not fair for Pau to be traded?"

No, i don't understand it. For one thing, the press in spain talks without knowing anything. These journalists talk about Pau without having any idea about the NBA. If you want to buy a bigger house, either you sell your house or take out a loan. In the nba they don't give you a house in exchange for two bikes, an old book, computer and a key chain. Pau is the only player that had trade value for the Lakers. Bynum didn't cause until this yr he hadn't had a healthy season playing at this high of a level. And Kobe is like Felipe Reyes (smiles), he'll play for the lakers til the day he dies, just like Felipe and Madrid. The other players didn't have trade value. The only possibility of remaking the roster was to trade Pau. Now perhaps they could trade Bynum. Gasol knew it and said it in every interview, cause he's a smart guy. But no one wanted to listen.

Pasaron los meses y se demostró que se necesitaba un cambio. Muchos de los que criticaron aquel traspaso corrieron a publicar que Gasol tendría que irse de los Lakers. After a few months, many that criticized the trade eventually started to say that Pau needed to leave the lakers..

Watching what Chris Paul did with the Clippers, a lot said "ahhhh, now i understand. Mitch was right.


He also talks about Kobe shooting too much but that in the NBA percentages don't really matter and that systems are meant to get superstars the ball rather than get players open shots.
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Post#28 » by Sedale Threatt » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:24 pm

I do know what he means about the European press taking things out of context. If you follow English football, they do that all the time. A guy can give a brilliant, thoughtful answer with a throwaway line at the end, just like Ron, and that's what they'll run with. Or they'll take something totally out of context.

Player A: I would have preferred to play the full match instead of being substituted.
Headline: Player A savages coach.

Pretty lame...

He's right on with his praise for Pau. I don't think he got enough credit for being a professional after the Paul trade. Of course, that's how it's supposed to be, but not too many guys would have handled it the same way, especially considering the trade rumors persisted. Witness Lamar.
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Re: Ettore Messina leaves Lakers for CSKA Moscow 

Post#29 » by dockingsched » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:18 am

here's some of the other questions i didn't get to earlier:

Aquí en España se transmite que a Pau lo critican mucho en Estados Unidos.
Here in Spain it seems like Pau is heavily criticized in the the USA


Its not true. If you read the LA times, Blll PLashcke and others at times criticize him, other times they praise him. There's no conspiracy. The difference with the spanish press regarding basketball, just like soccer in italy, is that they always have to explain a good or bad game with "fights, arguments with the coach that criticized em, or that they don't get along with a teammate..." They can never just accept that and times players just play bad, period. Over there they don't need all these stories. They report who played bad, their strong points, their weaknesses, and thats it.

Pero ¿gusta más Marc que Pau en los Estados Unidos? ¿Y por qué?

But..Do people like Marc more than Pau in the US? and if so, why?


Yes because he displays his emotions, his nerves. He's more expressive.

Kobe Bryant ha dado la sensación de tirar demasiado este año. ¿Es sólo una mirada europea o allí también lo veíais así?

Kobe Bryant has given the sense that he shot too much this season. Is this just a european view point or over there as well?


Its true...

i'll finish later.
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