milesfides wrote:Kilroy wrote:Ok, my suggestion that the Lakers best chance of contending for the remainder of Kobe's career is to make isolated smart moves is wrong because I don't present a comprehensive plan that outlines what exact moves that will result in a contending team for that time.
Neither does your Tank/Blow-up 'plan.' So it must be lacking substance, rhetorical and wrapped in homerism too, right?
No, I dedicated an entire thread to a specific plan for next year and the year after that. Of course I have a concrete plan. Sell high for Pau and Bynum for picks or talented young players on rookie contracts. It clears salary, and we can hit the free agent market to sign starts in one year, or the following year, when Kobe's signs a new contract (or won't).
You dedicated several posts to your presumptions based on hypothetical events in the future with a heavy helping of reactionary fatalism about the organization and the ineptitude of Mitch Kupchak and the evil of Jim Buss...
It wasn't a plan based on any factual knowledge, in any way shape or form and as such is in no way better or worse than anyone else's hyperbolic theory.
milesfides wrote:Kilroy wrote:In fact all I've heard about it is that it might get us some high first round picks... How many of those guys will be factors on contending teams for the next 5 or so seasons?
I don't know, but I'd rather bank on the potential of lottery picks and the cap space to sign proven stars, then watching a Bynum-centered, capped-out team of mostly old and mediocre players lose every year.
But you just said it... "Potential"...
You imply that you're method is better than mine because mine doesn't provide any guarantees and yet you're talking about the potential of draft picks... Of which only a very small percentage in the last 10-20 seasons has been a true franchise changer.
milesfides wrote:Kilroy wrote:But knee-jerk blow ups and tanking with no real, specific target in mind makes no sense right now.
No, seeing the time is ripe to sell high and rebuild now makes perfect sense now.
But that's a conceptual leap based on the presumption that we CAN sell high right now...
We can only sell if there's actual value in return. There's no real way for you or I to know that until it happens.
I have no problem with that point of view, but you seem to want to turn the Lakers' unwillingness to randomly "Sell High" as an indictment of the organization as a whole and in particular Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchak.
It's simply not as cut and dried as that.
milesfides wrote:Kilroy wrote:But I agree, we should plan right now to rebuild the team... But I'd say LO and Fish's trades were the beginning of that. We're apparently doing everything we can to trade Pau... I'd say we're well on our way to planning for our future. I just don't think Tanking, or full scale blowups are going to be part of it.
Sure, but that's why this is site exists where people can also argue, poorly or well, about what SHOULD happen. For all we know the Lakers' future will be all about Buss-Brown-Bynum, and I choose to argue for an alternative.
Arguing for an alternative is fine, as long as you're willing to admit you may be wrong about the reality...
Namely that maybe Buss-Brown-Bynum isn't the end of the world...
Granted, it'd be easier for me to believe if it was just Buss-Bynum