"Bynum will be murder in the post a yr from now"

iamworthy · Post #21 » by **iamworthy** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:02 am

Bynums offense isnt a problem. Although I think he needs to physically punish his defender more like shaq use to do on the low. Legal moves but hey if my elbow happens to hit you, oh Im sorry. Im far more concerned with Bynums will to be great and his ability to show up every night to play. I have watched alot of basketball and it appears that Bynum just doesnt want to play some nights. Watching some games I feel like he's just going through the motions. As a fan that scares the hell out of me. Thats something I think alot of us take for granted. Kobe comes to work every night period. The only way the lakers are truly in contention for the title next year is if Andrew Bynum is a top 5 defensive player.

Gek · Post #22 » by **Gek** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:27 am

Bynum will not be a franchise player if he is not a top 5 defensive player because no team can anchor around a center that doesn't play D. If he isn't the top 5 defender he could be game in and game out, he's just a slightly better Al Jefferson.

iamworthy · Post #23 » by **iamworthy** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:33 am

Gek wrote:Bynum will not be a franchise player if he is not a top 5 defensive player because no team can anchor around a center that doesn't play D. If he isn't the top 5 defender he could be game in and game out, he's just a slightly better Al Jefferson.

didnt really understand the "if he isnt the top 5 defender he could be game in and game out?"

Gek · Post #24 » by **Gek** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:40 am

if he doesn't play top 5 defense game in and game out (like he easily could), he's about as useful as a slightly more efficient Al Jefferson. He is stronger, but that doesn't matter much if he doesn't use it on defense with his athleticism.

iamworthy · Post #25 » by **iamworthy** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:09 am

Gek wrote:if he doesn't play top 5 defense game in and game out (like he easily could), he's about as useful as a slightly more efficient Al Jefferson. He is stronger, but that doesn't matter much if he doesn't use it on defense with his athleticism.

gotcha!

Anklebreaker702 · Post #26 » by **Anklebreaker702** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:56 pm

iamworthy wrote:Bynums offense isnt a problem. Although I think he needs to physically punish his defender more like shaq use to do on the low. Legal moves but hey if my elbow happens to hit you, oh Im sorry. Im far more concerned with Bynums will to be great and his ability to show up every night to play. I have watched alot of basketball and it appears that Bynum just doesnt want to play some nights. Watching some games I feel like he's just going through the motions. As a fan that scares the hell out of me. Thats something I think alot of us take for granted. Kobe comes to work every night period. The only way the lakers are truly in contention for the title next year is if Andrew Bynum is a top 5 defensive player.

Big Game I was going to post almost this exact post then I read an article with Gary Vitti (should have linked it) where he said they were all proud of him because he could have sat out many games this season due to swelling of the knee or some sort of discomfort and he said those exact words, some games he was just going through the motions because that's all he could give.

With that said I don't think Vitti would say that just to take up for him. All I can say is we'll see. Aside from swelling or discomfort it seems to be in his mentality. That's why I have backed off of Bynum. Not because of his ability but mentality.

lodom7 · Post #27 » by **lodom7** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:22 pm

Bynum can only work with Gasol if they don't play on the floor at the same time for long periods of time, Bynum needs to focus on getting boards and being a defensive force, we went 17-1 after the all star break in 2011 because he was doing this. Then when Gasol comes out of the game, that is when Bynum can become a dominant post prescence.

hermes · Post #28 » by **hermes** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:50 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHfOejlvVsY[/youtube]

Anklebreaker702 · Post #29 » by **Anklebreaker702** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:45 am

lodom7 wrote:Bynum can only work with Gasol if they don't play on the floor at the same time for long periods of time, Bynum needs to focus on getting boards and being a defensive force, we went 17-1 after the all star break in 2011 because he was doing this. Then when Gasol comes out of the game, that is when Bynum can become a dominant post prescence.

Did you watch any games in 2012?

Stebo_SSK · Post #30 » by **Stebo_SSK** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:43 pm

LA has 2 options either surround Bynum with more shooters or trade him to get Dwill and still get shooters. Simple as that. Either way one of them has to go in order to get some shooting depth.

AcecardZ · Post #31 » by **AcecardZ** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:03 pm

Anklebreaker702 wrote:Big Game I was going to post almost this exact post then I read an article with Gary Vitti (should have linked it) where he said they were all proud of him because he could have sat out many games this season due to swelling of the knee or some sort of discomfort and he said those exact words, some games he was just going through the motions because that's all he could give.

With that said I don't think Vitti would say that just to take up for him. All I can say is we'll see. Aside from swelling or discomfort it seems to be in his mentality. That's why I have backed off of Bynum. Not because of his ability but mentality.

If what Vitti is saying is true it doesn't really bode well for Bynum's future. We all know how great Bynum can be when he's feeling well but if Andrew only feels well one night in three there's no way we can rely on him to carry the load necessary to get us back to the NBA finals. It's a shame because I like Bynum but by now it's very clear he's never going to consistently be healthy enough to be relied on to carry us to the promise land.

Here is the article you were referring to.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... ne_Therapy

“Andrew does have some alignment issues that are apart of his make up, but you try and make him the best that he can be,” he said. “We worked at it as a staff, and he worked at it, and to his credit, he also played through some things this season that would have sidelined some guys in other years. He needs to be credited for that. He could have easily taken a game or two off due to swelling in his knee, but he did not. He gutted through it.”

Anklebreaker702 · Post #32 » by **Anklebreaker702** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:37 pm

AcecardZ wrote:
Anklebreaker702 wrote:Big Game I was going to post almost this exact post then I read an article with Gary Vitti (should have linked it) where he said they were all proud of him because he could have sat out many games this season due to swelling of the knee or some sort of discomfort and he said those exact words, some games he was just going through the motions because that's all he could give.

With that said I don't think Vitti would say that just to take up for him. All I can say is we'll see. Aside from swelling or discomfort it seems to be in his mentality. That's why I have backed off of Bynum. Not because of his ability but mentality.

If what Vitti is saying is true it doesn't really bode well for Bynum's future. We all know how great Bynum can be when he's feeling well but if Andrew only feels well one night in three there's no way we can rely on him to carry the load necessary to get us back to the NBA finals. It's a shame because I like Bynum but by now it's very clear he's never going to consistently be healthy enough to be relied on to carry us to the promise land.

Here is the article you were referring to.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... ne_Therapy

“Andrew does have some alignment issues that are apart of his make up, but you try and make him the best that he can be,” he said. “We worked at it as a staff, and he worked at it, and to his credit, he also played through some things this season that would have sidelined some guys in other years. He needs to be credited for that. He could have easily taken a game or two off due to swelling in his knee, but he did not. He gutted through it.”

Thanks for the link. Yeah pretty safe to say he'll never be pain free

AcecardZ · Post #33 » by **AcecardZ** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:53 pm

@Anklebreaker

Bynum is going to get some offseason knee treatment so we'll see how that goes but he had an extended offseason last year and it wasn't enough to keep him from having knee issues this past year.

I'm beginning to wonder if we'd have been better off playing him fewer games and perhaps not allowing him to play on the second night of back to backs.

We saw how well he could play when rested. He destroyed Denver in the first two games. Afrer that he was average at best.

At this point I wonder if he can even pass a standard physical. Also most players that get signed to big contracts are insured through a Lloyd's of London type policy. It's quite possible he'd be uninsurable at this point. The Knicks signed Amare to a max deal without being able to insure him against a career ending injury.

Also, wouldn't the Lakers have offered Andrew a max extension by now if they were sure he was worth it?

Post #34 » by **TyCobb** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:02 pm

Just give him a good PG and Bynum will be unstoppable.

Jetset · Post #35 » by **Jetset** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:20 pm

I don't think there's a PG generous enough to lend Bynum a meniscus, no matter how good of a guy the PG may be.

Post #36 » by **TyCobb** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:50 pm

In Germany I trust.

AcecardZ · Post #37 » by **AcecardZ** » Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:41 am

TyCobb wrote:In Germany I trust.

Why bother? Why don't we just trade him for younger pieces that gives us greater flexibility to make other moves and let another team deal with his knee and attitude issues?

re: his attitude I'm perfectly willing to concede a lot of it might be due to being pissed off that we don't understand exactly how hard he's trying but due to his bum knee he's just not capable of giving more. I can see how this would be very frustrating for him and lead to him having a carefree attitude.

Anklebreaker702 · Post #38 » by **Anklebreaker702** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:04 am

AcecardZ wrote:@Anklebreaker

Bynum is going to get some offseason knee treatment so we'll see how that goes but he had an extended offseason last year and it wasn't enough to keep him from having knee issues this past year.

I'm beginning to wonder if we'd have been better off playing him fewer games and perhaps not allowing him to play on the second night of back to backs.

We saw how well he could play when rested. He destroyed Denver in the first two games. Afrer that he was average at best.

At this point I wonder if he can even pass a standard physical. Also most players that get signed to big contracts are insured through a Lloyd's of London type policy. It's quite possible he'd be uninsurable at this point. The Knicks signed Amare to a max deal without being able to insure him against a career ending injury.

Also, wouldn't the Lakers have offered Andrew a max extension by now if they were sure he was worth it?

He hasn't earned a max contract as of yet. I know about the off season treatment he's getting but I'm just not sure anymore. You're 100% correct about the Denver series. I just wish the guy could be 100% healthy & grow up so we could really see what's what.

Anklebreaker702 · Post #39 » by **Anklebreaker702** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:06 am

destro wrote:I don't think there's a PG generous enough to lend Bynum a meniscus, no matter how good of a guy the PG may be.

Anklebreaker702 · Post #40 » by **Anklebreaker702** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:12 am

AcecardZ wrote:
TyCobb wrote:In Germany I trust.

Why bother? Why don't we just trade him for younger pieces that gives us greater flexibility to make other moves and let another team deal with his knee and attitude issues?

re: his attitude I'm perfectly willing to concede a lot of it might be due to being pissed off that we don't understand exactly how hard he's trying but due to his bum knee he's just not capable of giving more. I can see how this would be very frustrating for him and lead to him having a carefree attitude.

Yeah I can see knowing you can totally dominate a game, mentally want to, yet physically cant!? Yeah that's enough to lose anyone off.

The reason we don't trade him for younger pieces seems to be the Lakers understand what it means & how rare it is to have a dominant Center. So it seems that their mentality is we can trade other players for younger pieces, if we trade Bynum it will be for another dominant Center