Matt barnes = Starter?

SlimShady83 · Post #1 » by **SlimShady83** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 9:10 am

Just curious to know what you all think about Barnes being a starter for the Lakers?

Seems like Lakers are not only trying to get rid of Gasol but also trying to get rid of World Peace.

Matt Barnes is a free agent and exploring opurtunities. [Edited - spelling error]

If we Re-sign him and get rid of World Peace. Barnes would be a starter for the Lakers and would he *Win* Most improved award by getting more playing time and being a starter for the Lakers???

Thoughts on this ^^^^^^

I like Barnes and hope he stays and gets more playing time.

Kobe System · Post #2 » by **Kobe System** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 9:17 am

Who's Matt BARNS?

SlimShady83 · Post #3 » by **SlimShady83** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 10:02 am

Sorry I meant Matt Barnes...

Can you edit the title?

Josephpaul · Post #4 » by **Josephpaul** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 10:38 am

I shiver at the thought

cbrown32 · Post #5 » by **cbrown32** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 1:01 pm

If we end up getting Nash I'd be fine with it. Barnes is a slasher and a runner, and a very streaky but decent 3point shooter. AND a pretty good defender. The times he's played best in his career, he's been starting. I think Nash could possibly bring him back to where he needs to be.

Payaso · Post #6 » by **Payaso** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 2:15 pm

He's done. won't resign here. And isn't a quality starter in this league anymore.

desertlakerfan · Post #7 » by **desertlakerfan** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 3:10 pm

We got as much as you could hope for outta Barnes last year in his 6th man role, unfortunately for us he fell apart at the end of the regular season and was a no show once again in the playoffs. The guy is not starter material, but is fine as a role player off the bench.

Metta had an amazing last couple months of the season(outside of elbowgate), playing his best ball since joining the Lakers due to being completely healthy for the first time. I know he was a very easy target to blame our poor season on since he spent the first 3/4s of it playing very poorly, but if he comes back healthy and in shape with no lockout he's more likely to continue the stellar play he ended on rather than regressing.

salmahayek · Post #8 » by **salmahayek** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 3:41 pm

I think the Lakers need to really think about amnestying World Peace. In an attempt to reload and go for a championship, you have to have OKC and Miami on your radar. If Peace is gone, who is going to defend Durant or LeBron? Kobe can't guard everybody.

Ebanks has flashed, but you can't count on him to play championship level D against HOFs in the playoffs. Who else could the Lakers acquire with what they have available for players that would be better against big time offensive players besides Peace?

cbrown32 · Post #9 » by **cbrown32** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:28 pm

salmahayek wrote:I think the Lakers need to really think about amnestying World Peace. In an attempt to reload and go for a championship, you have to have OKC and Miami on your radar. If Peace is gone, who is going to defend Durant or LeBron? Kobe can't guard everybody.

Ebanks has flashed, but you can't count on him to play championship level D against HOFs in the playoffs. Who else could the Lakers acquire with what they have available for players that would be better against big time offensive players besides Peace?

So are you saying amnesty Metta or keep him? I think a better amnesty candidate would be Steve Blake. Metta does have a bigger contract by about 2.5mil/year, but as you said he brings a hell of a lot more to the table. All of this depends on who the Lakers could realistically sign/trade for but unless they pick up and great wing defender, I'd keep Metta.

Blake on the other hand....and it feels weird for me to say it because I've always been a big advocate of Blake.

salmahayek · Post #10 » by **salmahayek** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 4:46 pm

I'm saying keep Peace...I think he's a guy that you don't really care what he does during the regular season, he's really a guy you keep for the playoffs, a la Robert Horry, but to a somewhat lesser extent.

Depending on who the Lakers get as their starting PG, or adding another vet, they may be forced to keep Blake. He is relatively cheap IMO, and amnestying his contract really wouldn't give them any more flexibility in terms of accentuating the roster.

WCDYNASTY · Post #11 » by **WCDYNASTY** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 5:44 pm

skullz wrote:Just curious to know what you all think about Barnes being a starter for the Lakers?

Seems like Lakers are not only trying to get rid of Gasol but also trying to get rid of World Peace.

Matt Barnes is a free agent and exploring opurtunities. [Edited - spelling error]

If we Re-sign him and get rid of World Peace. Barnes would be a starter for the Lakers and would he *Win* Most improved award by getting more playing time and being a starter for the Lakers???

Thoughts on this ^^^^^^

I like Barnes and hope he stays and gets more playing time.

Still have a spelling error... opportunities :smile:

But back to the subject... I think as long as Peace is still with the Lakers Barnes will go somewhere else... I'd prefer to see the Lakers trade for Michael Beasley though.

LateRoundFlyer · Post #12 » by **LateRoundFlyer** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 7:57 pm

cbrown32 wrote:
salmahayek wrote:I think the Lakers need to really think about amnestying World Peace. In an attempt to reload and go for a championship, you have to have OKC and Miami on your radar. If Peace is gone, who is going to defend Durant or LeBron? Kobe can't guard everybody.

Ebanks has flashed, but you can't count on him to play championship level D against HOFs in the playoffs. Who else could the Lakers acquire with what they have available for players that would be better against big time offensive players besides Peace?

So are you saying amnesty Metta or keep him? I think a better amnesty candidate would be Steve Blake. Metta does have a bigger contract by about 2.5mil/year, but as you said he brings a hell of a lot more to the table. All of this depends on who the Lakers could realistically sign/trade for but unless they pick up and great wing defender, I'd keep Metta.

Blake on the other hand....and it feels weird for me to say it because I've always been a big advocate of Blake.

Don't feel weird. I was pulling for him too. Guy's only ever been a journeyman PG, bouncing from team to team, but prior to joining the Lakers, was regarded as one of the most underrated role players out there. For some reason, be it the Triangle or just deferring to Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Odom, and Metta, he never was really able to develop into the perfect fit everyone thought he'd be.

Similarly, Barnes was expected to be the enforcer coming off the bench, but aside from a few strong weeks of play here and there the past two years, never lived up to that role. If you thought Blake's status was bad, Barnes has been on 8 teams in the past 9 years.

It's a shame too, because when healthy and zoned in, his ability to crash, drive, and drain the three is a tremendous return on investment. But 1) he's 31, and that athleticism has to start fading sometime, and 2) he's way too much of a rhythm player to be on this squad. He doesn't work as a starter at all.

I would not lose any sleep over losing Blake or Barnes.

DEEP3CL · Post #13 » by **DEEP3CL** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 8:27 pm

Barnes is gone, not worried about him one red cent. Even if the Lakers are trying to move Metta, we'll find a decent 3. We really need a 3 that can stretch the floor, defend, rebound and able to hit from mid range at a high clip.

ennui · Post #14 » by **ennui** » Wed Jul 4, 2012 11:45 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:Barnes is gone, not worried about him one red cent. Even if the Lakers are trying to move Metta, we'll find a decent 3. We really need a 3 that can stretch the floor, defend, rebound and able to hit from mid range at a high clip.

aagree

Post #15 » by **milesfides** » Thu Jul 5, 2012 1:44 am

Barnes and Metta were actually pretty solid for us in holding down SF. Both with production and defense.

The biggest problem with Matt is that he can't stay healthy. Especially in the playoffs. And Matt can't play well hurt, it affects his shot, and as a hustle player, he needs his health.

It sucks, because he's a hard-nosed player who brings the effort.

Ebanks isn't anywhere close to a healthy Barnes and World Peace.

chefy · Post #16 » by **chefy** » Thu Jul 5, 2012 3:48 am

milesfides wrote:Barnes and Metta were actually pretty solid for us in holding down SF. Both with production and defense.

The biggest problem with Matt is that he can't stay healthy. Especially in the playoffs. And Matt can't play well hurt, it affects his shot, and as a hustle player, he needs his health.

It sucks, because he's a hard-nosed player who brings the effort.

Ebanks isn't anywhere close to a healthy Barnes and World Peace.

+1

sucks it didn't workout for barnes. the guys a beast when healthy.

ShowtimeFan · Post #17 » by **ShowtimeFan** » Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:04 am

Matt Barnes = Starter?

Sure, no problem, just not for the Lakers, they will probably not even bring him back, especially if the get Grant Hill..

LAFan24 · Post #18 » by **LAFan24** » Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:07 am

No thanks, we need consistent players that can actually be true roleplayers. Barnes can barely make wide open non-contested 3pt'ers

Mamba Venom · Post #19 » by **Mamba Venom** » Thu Jul 5, 2012 7:21 am

MWP/Hill/Ebanks/Barnes

flowflow99 · Post #20 » by **flowflow99** » Thu Jul 5, 2012 5:48 pm

LAFan24 wrote:No thanks, we need consistent players that can actually be true roleplayers. Barnes can barely make wide open non-contested 3pt'ers

That's because Barnes is a slasher who's expected to camp the 3 line instead of slash, for fear of crowding Bynum in the paint. In Mike Brown's system, everyone except Andrew Bynum is expected to be a sharpshooter even if it's not their game. Which is why everyone (Barnes, Blake, Pau, Sessions, etc) looks like crap

If the coach isn't gonna use him the way he should be used, get Grant Hill instead and let Barnes go.

And keep MWP. He's our best defender and the only guy besides Kobe who can shut down people.