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good that we didn't hire phil? 

Post#1 » by therobg125 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:23 pm

dwight wanted phil....but dwight can't even take the critcisms of kobe and mike d (mike d should look in the mirror before talkin smack)...to my original point, if dwight can't handle this little bit of critism....what would he do if phil jackson went to the media about his b****- as*ness? what would he do if phil got up in his face a beraded and mocked him the way he did young bynum and pau in that mavs series?....i don't think it would work with phil....maybe it's a good thing we didn't hire phil...
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Re: good that we didn't hire phil? 

Post#2 » by Kilroy » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:14 pm

Howard thinks Kobe's just being Kobe... That he doesn't need to listen to him because "Nobody Does."
He just flat doesn't respect DAntoni.
What's more of a concern to me is that he doesn't seem to want to listen to Nash or Pau either.

I think he respects Phil and would be more inclined to listen to him. But I don't know if he'd like what he heard.
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Re: good that we didn't hire phil? 

Post#3 » by therobg125 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:33 pm

i mean yeah he might respect phil more, but that doesn't give him the right to ignore the advice of kobe and nash....i mean im sure if lebron came to la or melo or anyone else for that matter that they would listen and ask players like that questions....not just shrug off every advice or criticism...it's like what skip bayless said is true...he wants all the glory of being in a big time media market and winning a championship...but he doesnt want to embrace any challenges along with trying to obtain a ship.....i kinda don't want him here...not because i dont think he's good, but he just doesn't fit in with LA in general.....he doesn't wanna be held accountable or told what to do at all...and with phil it would just be worst... kobe and nash aren't doing or saying anything that phil or any other championship coach wouldn't say, yet he gets mad at them.....i mean it's not like they're just role players....
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Re: good that we didn't hire phil? 

Post#4 » by Admiral C » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:20 pm

He would listen to Phil but only because he would be forced to. He can make excuses/reasons for not listening to other players and coaches, (Kobe's a dick, Nash doesn't play defense, D'Antoni/SVG hasn't won anything etc), but there's really nothing he could come up for why he shouldn't listen to Phil. He's won more than anyone, he made Shaq into the dominant winning star he was, he's been around the biggest winners ever, Pau flourished under him, etc. Basically, Dwight wouldn't be able to say "Well, if I played for x coach instead" or "if I was in x situation instead"..he would have the best big man coach and be in the best situation for a big man with the triangle. Dwight would have to listen to Phil and thus he'd be forced to look at himself and realize his problems, he wouldn't be able to blame anything else for his shortcomings anymore

With Dwight it's the same issue as it was with younger Lebron, they just looked for outside problems and excuses when they needed to be looking within themselves. With Lebron even if he lost or didn't play to his max he could always just say "Well, my team sucks", with Dwight he could just say "Well, SVG hasn't won anything" or "Well I bricked my FTs but Kobe was missing shots in the 4th anyway so it doesn't matter". The change won't happen until he gets in one of these situations (for Lebron it was being embarrassed in the 2011 Finals despite having Wade playing at a elite level) where there's no more excuses.
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Re: good that we didn't hire phil? 

Post#5 » by GAME TIME » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:23 pm

I honestly think Phil had no interest in coaching anymore.

Phil isn't get any younger, and he needs a full off season to incorporate his complicated triangle system with all the newbies on the team
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Post#6 » by The Laker Kid » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:04 pm

Phil will call Dwight "uncoachable" and maybe, just maybe he'll grow up.
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Re: good that we didn't hire phil? 

Post#7 » by MAMBAEMD » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:39 pm

This is all conjecture but I now think Phil would have been the ideal coach for this team. He would have been able to manage these egos much better than D'Antoni ever wiil.
All of them would have respected him, and would have accepted their role on the team, and what it would take from each one individually in order for the team to be a contender.
D'Antoni is so scattered. I don't hear a consistent message from him.

Phil would have set a solid coaching foundation with this team.
I also really think that his sytem would have put all the bigs in a better situation to contribute and succeed, both offensively and defensively.
I don't agree with those that say Nash would not have thrived under the triangle. I think he would have done just fine. Specially at this stage in his career, I think it would be great for him to be only an occasional initiator of the offense.
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Re: good that we didn't hire phil? 

Post#8 » by milesfides » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:57 pm

Nash would be great in the triangle because he can shoot and make plays. Fish could only shoot and he got 3 rings.

You never know with these things...would Howard accept his role under Phil? I don't know. But if not under Phil, then nobody.

One thing for sure, the triangle would probably make it easier on everybody, including Howard, because we'd be operating on the halfcourt more, instead of D'Antoni's "first open three- shoot it" offense

Then again, it might take a year or two for some of these knuckleheads to pick up the triangle
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Re: good that we didn't hire phil? 

Post#9 » by MAMBAEMD » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:27 pm

^ Well-said.
We'll never know.

One thing is for sure, I honestly get a headache listening to D'Antoni. He is all over the damn place.
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Re: good that we didn't hire phil? 

Post#10 » by milesfides » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:45 pm

Oh for sure. No, I'm really surprised at how weak of a leader D'Antoni is. Nobody knows everything that goes behind closed doors, but what happened in New York and what is happening in L.A. has made it pretty clear to me that he's more of an assistant coach, rather than a head coach. All the basics of what a head coach should do - get players to play together, get the most out of them, challenge them to be better, communicate with them - he pretty much failed in all of those things. He hasn't handled his players well, he hasn't handled personalities well, on a basketball level, well this team has underachieved, plain and simple.

Even Kobe assuming Nash's role as a playmaker - according to Kobe this wasn't a set plan, just something Kobe decided to do.

It's really disappointing, because aside from Kobe, who'll be productive in any system under any coach, Dwight, Pau, and Nash have all underperformed and aside from Nash, they're all unhappy with their roles.

It'd better if D'Antoni becomes Bickerstaff's assistant. Bernie got the players to immediately play harder and together. That's a good coach.
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Re: good that we didn't hire phil? 

Post#11 » by Asianiac_24 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:41 am

MDA was and is just a terrible hire from the start. Look at the Knicks right now, they are blossoming now that they have a decent coach after MDA. No idea what the FO is thinking trying to run and gun when our guys are old and slow and the model never even worked in the first place.
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Re: good that we didn't hire phil? 

Post#12 » by JustAwesome » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:48 am

We can't assume that Howard would respect Jackson simply because fans respect Jackson.

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