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Post#181 » by bws94 » Sat Dec 6, 2014 4:54 am

I think you make good points but I think Lin needs minutes and I think he can be an effective starter. Don't get why you say I'm talking about him like he's 7, I'm taking a slightly different viewpoint. I think his D is better than most point guards I've watched. He got by Rondo pretty easily today yet Rondo is a very good defensive player. Point guards don't provide lock-down D, very few do. I think Lin's D is better than some others on the board. I think it is a help defense problem, not Lin that much.

I don't care if Lin starts or is on the bench and I prefer him with the bench units but I want him to get minutes, 30-32 minutes per game because that's when he's most effective. I've watched basketball a long time. How long did it take Manu to play with Parker, Wade with Lebron and if you want to go back Clyde Frazier with Earl the Pearl Monroe? Sometimes players will mesh, but not in 20 games and maybe with Kobe and Lin it is 40 or 50. But they have different skills. That's my argument, that's what we all do here. State our case on player combination, coaches, systems, etc.
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Post#182 » by Jedi32 » Sat Dec 6, 2014 5:22 am

It'll be interesting to see what adjustments coach Scott can make.
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Post#183 » by red32 » Sat Dec 6, 2014 5:50 am

Kilroy wrote:
TyCobb wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:Their starters aren't very young. Ya, maybe trade one or two of the young guys.

I'd say just give:

Lin
Kobe
Wes
Hill
Davis

a try.

Lin hasn't been playing well lately but he will get better for sure.


It should be Lin, Ellington, Kobe, Hill, Davis.


What do you think about starting Price and Young instead of Lin and Johnson, and letting Kobe be the main facilitator?

I think Davis is our best bet at C, but he's better off the bench. I think we have to start him and Hill though. Boozer is more consistent offensively than Davis, but I swear he vaporizes on his way back on D.

We have too many SGs, no real SFs and weak PGs. I like Ellington too, though, but Young might actually be big enough to play SF.
I'd love to see Clarkson get more time too. Nothing to loose.
Young is better coming off the bench - he's main scorer for the 2nd unit. You can't have Kobe be the main facilitator unless you want 8+ TO's from him handling the ball - of course, people probably don't care since he's been taking 20+ shots/game, what's another 8 TO's. Plus, that's not who he is.

Price for Lin might be OK, but Price is going to be torched anyway - others will just shoot over him.

I don't think their main problem is defense, at least not the starters, it's offense. See you want to be able to score enough, and then if the 2nd unit can stop, then that would be good. You can't be suck at both defense and offense.
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Post#184 » by tenten » Sat Dec 6, 2014 8:25 am

I think Scott is doing his best to lose this game. We we cut it to 9 at around 7 min left in the game. Boston brought back Rondo, yet Scott stuck with Price and Sacre to purposely lose the game.

I don't get Scott's handling of Lin's minutes, seems like he gets under 30 minutes no matter what. I can't think of any other reason than purposely tanking.
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Post#185 » by Danny Darko » Sat Dec 6, 2014 8:53 am

Slava wrote:Not sure what starting Davis would do, he was getting his lunch money stolen out there too but man that Boozer & Hill frontcourt is just abysmal. No help defense, no man defense, no one rebounding or even boxing out the opponent bigs, just a horrible time. I have no expectations for Loozer but Hill is much better than this **** he showed tonight.


I feel like Hill needs a true Center and D guy both to protect him and also to grab him and say hey, that 24 footer you added is great, but it's not enough... play smart D.
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Post#186 » by ChokeFasncists » Sat Dec 6, 2014 10:15 am

Lin is in a slump, we all know he's capable of playing better. Let's hope he does so sooner than later.

Not bad advice from Scott:
The reasons extend past Lin’s inconsistent chemistry with Bryant. Lin has described his play as “up and down” because his string of double-digit performances have been countered by occasionally scoreless games and late-game benchings. Scott has argued Lin needs to develop stronger “point guard instincts” that entail better clock management, spacing, ball handling and reading teammates’ tendencies.

Hope he feels comfortable soon!
But Lin revealed “it’s no secret” he does not feel comfortable in Scott’s Princeton-based offense.

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/2014120 ... obe-bryant
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
Thanks for the honesty.
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Post#187 » by tenten » Sat Dec 6, 2014 10:23 am

ChokeFasncists wrote:Lin is in a slump, we all know he's capable of playing better. Let's hope he does so sooner than later.

Not bad advice from Scott:
The reasons extend past Lin’s inconsistent chemistry with Bryant. Lin has described his play as “up and down” because his string of double-digit performances have been countered by occasionally scoreless games and late-game benchings. Scott has argued Lin needs to develop stronger “point guard instincts” that entail better clock management, spacing, ball handling and reading teammates’ tendencies.

Hope he feels comfortable soon!
But Lin revealed “it’s no secret” he does not feel comfortable in Scott’s Princeton-based offense.

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/2014120 ... obe-bryant



so up and down=slump? I guess we have different definition for slump. Throw out the 0 for 10 game, Lin is actually in a hot streak.
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Post#188 » by ChokeFasncists » Sat Dec 6, 2014 11:04 am

tenten wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:Lin is in a slump, we all know he's capable of playing better. Let's hope he does so sooner than later.

Not bad advice from Scott:
The reasons extend past Lin’s inconsistent chemistry with Bryant. Lin has described his play as “up and down” because his string of double-digit performances have been countered by occasionally scoreless games and late-game benchings. Scott has argued Lin needs to develop stronger “point guard instincts” that entail better clock management, spacing, ball handling and reading teammates’ tendencies.

Hope he feels comfortable soon!
But Lin revealed “it’s no secret” he does not feel comfortable in Scott’s Princeton-based offense.

http://www.dailynews.com/sports/2014120 ... obe-bryant



so up and down=slump? I guess we have different definition for slump. Throw out the 0 for 10 game, Lin is actually in a hot streak.

I guess so. For me, he played well for four games, scoring 18, 17, 14, 18. Then 11, 11, 0, 14 weren't so good.

It seems like he didn't play well for the first four games, played well for five games, three games up and down.

Scott benching him at the end of the fourth good game might have tightened him up a little. He scored 11 but really didn't play very well.
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
Thanks for the honesty.
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Post#189 » by EArl » Sat Dec 6, 2014 1:28 pm

Didn't watch the game. Tough loss against Bawsson
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Post#190 » by bws94 » Sat Dec 6, 2014 3:15 pm

EArl wrote:Didn't watch the game. Tough loss against Bawsson


You missed all-star Zeller.
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Post#191 » by DEEP3CL » Sat Dec 6, 2014 5:26 pm

Tired of all the Lin "care taking/defending" no matter how bad he is. You Lin fans need to deal with the fact he's struggling and just isn't a very savvy-instinctive guard at the point.
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Post#192 » by crazyeights » Sat Dec 6, 2014 7:28 pm

But he's just hit his hot-streak!!
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Post#193 » by leeprettyp » Sat Dec 6, 2014 7:31 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:Tired of all the Lin "care taking/defending" no matter how bad he is. You Lin fans need to deal with the fact he's struggling and just isn't a very savvy-instinctive guard at the point.


lol I've been telling everyone he's a combo guard not a PG. Or at least a starting NBA point guard on a contending team. He's a good player though but he's playing out of position IMO
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Post#194 » by tenten » Sat Dec 6, 2014 7:44 pm

DEEP3CL wrote:Tired of all the Lin "care taking/defending" no matter how bad he is. You Lin fans need to deal with the fact he's struggling and just isn't a very savvy-instinctive guard at the point.


Then discuss another player/coach?
I tell you what, I can say the same thing about every single Laker.

Every single Laker is struggling, including Scott, that might be the biggest problem. Let see what his lineup change brings.
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Post#195 » by ChokeFasncists » Sun Dec 7, 2014 2:08 am

DEEP3CL wrote:Tired of all the Lin "care taking/defending" no matter how bad he is. You Lin fans need to deal with the fact he's struggling and just isn't a very savvy-instinctive guard at the point.

leeprettyp wrote:lol I've been telling everyone he's a combo guard not a PG. Or at least a starting NBA point guard on a contending team. He's a good player though but he's playing out of position IMO

True, true, but if MDA didn't resign he would have been a perfect fit!

I actually like that he's learning to be a point guard in a slow team, IMO he has the potential to be good at it. Right now he's definitely struggling and not savvy-instinctive at all. Are we gonna get rewarded for our patience? :pray:

IMO he's more a passer than gunner so I'm not sure coming off the bench is very suitable. He doesn't heat up fast.
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
Thanks for the honesty.
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Post#196 » by ChokeFasncists » Mon Dec 8, 2014 4:57 am

Well, so Boston just beat the Wizs, are on a three games winning streak, totally out of the tank picture and close to making the playoffs.
MorbidHEAT wrote:My dislike for Lin started during Linsanity. It was absurd. It's probably irrational dislike at this point, but man he gets on my nerves. He's been tearing us up though.
Thanks for the honesty.

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