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Re: Scott considering starting Kobe at PG 

Post#41 » by bws94 » Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:28 pm

I think he should get Kobe's minutes down to 30-32, have him be more of a post up player and from there he can facilitate, get Lin's minutes up to 32-35 and tell him to do what he wants (including controlling the tempo of the offense) but heavily emphasize getting him picks and see what he makes up from there. He has a combo player that can help the team as we saw in the last game. It's just, with LIn and Kobe you may have to deal with heavy TO games, that's the downside of them but both of them can facilitate. Putting so much on Kobe is foolhardy and is wearing him out.
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Re: Scott considering starting Kobe at PG 

Post#42 » by mcscotty » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:09 pm

I think Kobe could be a better version of Ginobili. No hate....just saying.
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Re: Scott considering starting Kobe at PG 

Post#43 » by Kilroy » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:08 pm

Ginobili isn't any where near as much a focus for opposing defenses when he's on the court as Kobe is... When Kobe's on the court the best perimeter defender on the opposing team is most likely going to be guarding him and he still gets doubled.
So yeah, Kobe can be a better version of Ginobili... But he needs at least some version of Leonard, Duncan, and Parker on the team... We have week-after-Christmass-return versions of those players.
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Re: Scott considering starting Kobe at PG 

Post#44 » by mcscotty » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:44 pm

I know it's a pipe dream, but Kobe and Booze or Hill would kill opposing benches and have some left over for the end of the fourth. Consider it a rehab stint?
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Re: Scott considering starting Kobe at PG 

Post#45 » by Kilroy » Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:48 pm

Just because we play Kobe off the bench, doesn't mean other teams won't change their own lineups to counter...

Whenever Kobe's in the game, I can almost promise, the best matchup on Defense will be in the game too.

The problem isn't Kobe, it's that this team does nothing to hide his deficiencies, namely his Defense... Kobe shoots a lot... That's who he is... But, you can handle him chucking if you have a legit glass cleaning big, and an elite perimeter defender.
Our problem is when Kobe's in the game, he's essentially the team. The Spurs all work well together to hide each other's age-related deficiencies, and they added Kwali Leonard to help even further. They also always seem to find the right midling pieces to surround them to give them that boost every old team needs on given nights.

Our guys played well for one game when the pressure was off... But they went and beat the best team in the league, which turned the pressure way up again. These guys are just not those players...

Young will give you one solid game in every 4 or 5, Lin will too... Price will play D every night but only scores for a couple games in every 10, Hill can consistently get his, but the energy is erratic, Davis gives everything he has every night, but sometimes that results in early foul trouble.
Boozer is about our most consistent player, unfortunately, there's no "D" in "Boozer."

I'm impressed with the midling talent we have. I like the guys but it's a bad fit for a player of Kobe's stature at this stage in his career. Instead of giving him a boost, it's like they turned bright lights on him and put him under a microscope.
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Re: Scott considering starting Kobe at PG 

Post#46 » by tenten » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:22 pm

Kilroy wrote:Just because we play Kobe off the bench, doesn't mean other teams won't change their own lineups to counter...

Whenever Kobe's in the game, I can almost promise, the best matchup on Defense will be in the game too.

The problem isn't Kobe, it's that this team does nothing to hide his deficiencies, namely his Defense... Kobe shoots a lot... That's who he is... But, you can handle him chucking if you have a legit glass cleaning big, and an elite perimeter defender.
Our problem is when Kobe's in the game, he's essentially the team. The Spurs all work well together to hide each other's age-related deficiencies, and they added Kwali Leonard to help even further. They also always seem to find the right midling pieces to surround them to give them that boost every old team needs on given nights.

Our guys played well for one game when the pressure was off... But they went and beat the best team in the league, which turned the pressure way up again. These guys are just not those players...

Young will give you one solid game in every 4 or 5, Lin will too... Price will play D every night but only scores for a couple games in every 10, Hill can consistently get his, but the energy is erratic, Davis gives everything he has every night, but sometimes that results in early foul trouble.
Boozer is about our most consistent player, unfortunately, there's no "D" in "Boozer."

I'm impressed with the midling talent we have. I like the guys but it's a bad fit for a player of Kobe's stature at this stage in his career. Instead of giving him a boost, it's like they turned bright lights on him and put him under a microscope.



All fair assessment of the roster, it's Scott's job to make the lineup/rotations work. But I don't think he knows anything about hiding player's deficiencies, in fact, he finds way to magnify it. Lin and Young struggles on defense? go play with boozer and sacre. And if you have the watch the lineup of davis-hill-wes-ellington-price's half court offense, you will see that they are only shooting contested jump shots, though they did shoot okay the last couple games.


With kobe, he either plays with price/wes/hill/davis, no offense
or lin/young/boozer/sacre, no defense

Scott is responsible for kobe's high usage/low efficiency and now hurt/having to miss games. Scott is making kobe's career end sooner and uglier.
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Re: Scott considering starting Kobe at PG 

Post#47 » by Tonyism74 » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:44 pm

Kilroy wrote:Just because we play Kobe off the bench, doesn't mean other teams won't change their own lineups to counter...

Whenever Kobe's in the game, I can almost promise, the best matchup on Defense will be in the game too.

The problem isn't Kobe, it's that this team does nothing to hide his deficiencies, namely his Defense... Kobe shoots a lot... That's who he is... But, you can handle him chucking if you have a legit glass cleaning big, and an elite perimeter defender.
Our problem is when Kobe's in the game, he's essentially the team. The Spurs all work well together to hide each other's age-related deficiencies, and they added Kwali Leonard to help even further. They also always seem to find the right midling pieces to surround them to give them that boost every old team needs on given nights.

Our guys played well for one game when the pressure was off... But they went and beat the best team in the league, which turned the pressure way up again. These guys are just not those players...

Young will give you one solid game in every 4 or 5, Lin will too... Price will play D every night but only scores for a couple games in every 10, Hill can consistently get his, but the energy is erratic, Davis gives everything he has every night, but sometimes that results in early foul trouble.
Boozer is about our most consistent player, unfortunately, there's no "D" in "Boozer."

I'm impressed with the midling talent we have. I like the guys but it's a bad fit for a player of Kobe's stature at this stage in his career. Instead of giving him a boost, it's like they turned bright lights on him and put him under a microscope.


You crack me up. The problem isnt Kobe? I guess all the writers and analysts who say otherwise is plain silly. Fact is, its never one persons fault, entirely, but Kobe's stubbornness is making this team worse than they are.
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Re: Scott considering starting Kobe at PG 

Post#48 » by Tonyism74 » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:47 pm

tenten wrote:
Kilroy wrote:Just because we play Kobe off the bench, doesn't mean other teams won't change their own lineups to counter...

Whenever Kobe's in the game, I can almost promise, the best matchup on Defense will be in the game too.

The problem isn't Kobe, it's that this team does nothing to hide his deficiencies, namely his Defense... Kobe shoots a lot... That's who he is... But, you can handle him chucking if you have a legit glass cleaning big, and an elite perimeter defender.
Our problem is when Kobe's in the game, he's essentially the team. The Spurs all work well together to hide each other's age-related deficiencies, and they added Kwali Leonard to help even further. They also always seem to find the right midling pieces to surround them to give them that boost every old team needs on given nights.

Our guys played well for one game when the pressure was off... But they went and beat the best team in the league, which turned the pressure way up again. These guys are just not those players...

Young will give you one solid game in every 4 or 5, Lin will too... Price will play D every night but only scores for a couple games in every 10, Hill can consistently get his, but the energy is erratic, Davis gives everything he has every night, but sometimes that results in early foul trouble.
Boozer is about our most consistent player, unfortunately, there's no "D" in "Boozer."

I'm impressed with the midling talent we have. I like the guys but it's a bad fit for a player of Kobe's stature at this stage in his career. Instead of giving him a boost, it's like they turned bright lights on him and put him under a microscope.



All fair assessment of the roster, it's Scott's job to make the lineup/rotations work. But I don't think he knows anything about hiding player's deficiencies, in fact, he finds way to magnify it. Lin and Young struggles on defense? go play with boozer and sacre. And if you have the watch the lineup of davis-hill-wes-ellington-price's half court offense, you will see that they are only shooting contested jump shots, though they did shoot okay the last couple games.


With kobe, he either plays with price/wes/hill/davis, no offense
or lin/young/boozer/sacre, no defense

Scott is responsible for kobe's high usage/low efficiency and now hurt/having to miss games. Scott is making kobe's career end sooner and uglier.


Look...Scott sucks as a head coach, but on the court, Kobe does what Kobe wants. Kobe is playing a more direct hand in his own career. This season, Kobe's stock has dropped dramatically. He could have easily made this season a more productive one, and his greatness shine in different ways. Instead, he could possibly retire on a very sour note. His own teammates and coach have directly stated in the media that he needs to shoot less, for the team.
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Re: Scott considering starting Kobe at PG 

Post#49 » by Tonyism74 » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:50 pm

mcscotty wrote:I think Kobe could be a better version of Ginobili. No hate....just saying.


I would agree. Kobe is more athletic, has a higher baskeball IQ, and is an excellent passer when he wants to. Whether off the bench or not, he can be a better all around player and facilitator like Ginobli and take over games like him when needed.
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