Lakers vs Suns 6:30pm 28/12/14

[kblo247]

Bad teams find ways to lose games. And we're a BAD team as simple as that. Has nothing to do with Kobe, Lin, Young and Byron Scott but more to do with the lack of talent on the roster. Just hope we can make a splash this offseason.

I have been calling out Scott since the first 10 games. He got to go. His coaching is just like his initial: B.S

There isn't a coach in the world that can win with this team and level of talent consistently.
This is not a BScott issue.
This is a talent issue.

Write down what I say .... Mike Brown could take this same groups and win more by minimizing possessions ... hell he did it in Cleveland last year with a roster that wasn't as healthy

[Penberthy]

36-77.........that's our record in the last 113 games. I remember the days when it would take 3 years plus to lose 77 games total. Well at least the " 5 spot " guys are happy tonight.

Lakers don't have a single nba starter on the squad, Kobe included. With that being the case, 5 spot would be a godsend.

[MAMBAEMD]

B Scott >> Mike Brown > MDA
I think you're giving Mike Brown a little too much credit as a coach

[cw3k]

If Scott shows anything consistent is Kobe's minute. Outside of Kobe's minute, there is nothing consistent. Maybe he is just like Boozer said he is, just all talk and zero action.

[Slava]

If Scott shows anything consistent is Kobe's minute. Outside of Kobe's minute, there is nothing consistent. Maybe he is just like Boozer said he is, just all talk and zero action.

One thing consistent is you coming in and blaming it on Scott. Win, lose or Armageddon you are like a one trick pony who has one opinion and nothing else. I'm not even sure how you can fault the coach for anything that happened today.

[mcscotty]

Byron is doing a great jobs with the cards he was dealt. And today's game was awesome. If we continue to move in this direction, we're gonna be more competitive and entertaining. We've gotta instill a defensive culture, keep the ball moving, and ride the hot guys. Kobe was brilliant today. Should have had way more assists and less turnovers, but his teammates weren't anticipating some of the amazing passes he was dishing out and simply not finishing high percentage shots.

[kblo247]

B Scott >> Mike Brown > MDA
I think you're giving Mike Brown a little too much credit as a coach

Brown > Scott > Pringles

Scott is a sub 500 coach on his career and lost every locker room he's touched for a reason. Brown got more out of a Cleveland team for a reason, squeezes more of la in a lockout for a reason. Brown is simply better at least at forcing his tempo with low possession ball. Scott is better than Pringles but he isn't a defensive or offensive coach. He'll he's not even head coach worthy without the right assistants. And Pringles is a boil on the ass of life with no filter

[bws94]

If Scott shows anything consistent is Kobe's minute. Outside of Kobe's minute, there is nothing consistent. Maybe he is just like Boozer said he is, just all talk and zero action.

One thing consistent is you coming in and blaming it on Scott. Win, lose or Armageddon you are like a one trick pony who has one opinion and nothing else. I'm not even sure how you can fault the coach for anything that happened today.

I don't think much of Scott's coaching at all and so do a lot of others. There was a run where he should have called a time-out, I don't think he countered and adjusted when Phoenix went with 3 guards, I think Davis could play more with the bench guys, Kobe almost played the whole first quarter again. I think he needs a real X's and O's guy in there for offense, the other team's offense always looks better and it isn't always because they have better players.

[Slava]

If Scott shows anything consistent is Kobe's minute. Outside of Kobe's minute, there is nothing consistent. Maybe he is just like Boozer said he is, just all talk and zero action.

One thing consistent is you coming in and blaming it on Scott. Win, lose or Armageddon you are like a one trick pony who has one opinion and nothing else. I'm not even sure how you can fault the coach for anything that happened today.

I don't think much of Scott's coaching at all and so do a lot of others. There was a run where he should have called a time-out, I don't think he countered and adjusted when Phoenix went with 3 guards, I think Davis could play more with the bench guys, Kobe almost played the whole first quarter again. I think he needs a real X's and O's guy in there for offense, the other team's offense always looks better and it isn't always because they have better players.

He's running the 15th best offense in the league, which with these bunch of misfits is quite an achievement to begin with, Mike D'Antoni, the offensive genius with 4 players shooting over 40% from 3 last season couldn't get any better than the 22nd best (he did miss a slew of PGs though). The reason other offenses look great against us is because we do not run on transition and they get a ton of fastbreak points, which is always nice to watch.

You guys also need to move on from the 4 or 5 dunks Ed Davis had in preseason from pick and rolls, he's being set up more than often by Lin, Kobe & Price and he has bricked finishes pretty badly. He, like most of our bigs are good at one thing, which is offensive rebounding.

May be the reason he plays KObe longer durations at once might have to do with minimizing the need for stretching himself out each time he goes to the bench and lets his muscles relax. Older athletes tend to go longer times at one stretch than take frequent rests so they don't have to warm up each time the muscle goes cold.

[bws94]

Slava, what I see from this team is a lot of long twos. Things get better when Kobe is in but the big men don't look ready for his passes or aren't in good positions often enough. Of them, Ed is the best finisher around the rim. He'll occasionally brick some, but he's above average getting there and finishing there. I think the offense lacks screens, ball movement, fluidity, attacking in early offense, not enough fast breaks, runs the same play too often in succession, overly ISO at times. Hill and Boozer don't set good screens and they are pick and pop guys. Sacre isn't great around the rim. Wes's athleticism needs to be used more. I know people are down on him, but I think he's done some things well and could do a lot more. A good X and Os coach would utilize the misfits, yes they aren't the best combination of players, into looking more like a team. They have in flashes, San Antonio, in the GS game they won, but would then expand on what they did right in that game and implement it more and add wrinkles to that. Then the last 3 minutes need better creativity as well as execution. I think Scott concentrated on defense and didn't give enough attention to offensive execution, spacing etc. and sometimes his lineups just don't have that guy out there that can space the floor. I think yes, Kelly is down and he would when Ellington is out, and you can't rely on Wes to do it, but this offense, even with these guys, I think could be a lot better.

[Slava]

Slava, what I see from this team is a lot of long twos.

Here's the shot chart.



http://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/team/ ... es-lakers/

Majority of the offense still comes around the rim even when we do not have guards that can penetrate as much. Lin might be the only one above average at that. Kobe doesn't do it as often as he used to. That's just a personnel issue.

Things get better when Kobe is in but the big men don't look ready for his passes or aren't in good positions often enough. Of them, Ed is the best finisher around the rim. He'll occasionally brick some, but he's above average getting there and finishing there.

No he's not, Carlos Boozer is the best finisher on our team.



Here's is Ed Davis' in comparison.



He's useless beyond an arm's length and he's clearly cannot be versatile enough to play pick and roll offense properly. Even his post isos are mostly limited to the right block.

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Value    FG    FGA    FG% eFG% Ast'd    %Ast'd
Home    59    79    .747    .747    47    .797
Road    43    83    .518 .518    18    .419

This is the closest you can see to how he finishes off assists and pick and rolls.

Notice the big ass difference in FG% and % of assisted field goals at home and road? He catches and finishes better at home than he does on the road and the difference is massive. No problem at all, most role players do it, he's just not anything special.

Here's Boozer's

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Value    FG    FGA    FG%    eFG%    Ast'd    %Ast'd
Home    81    157    .516    .516    51    .630
Road    93    177    .525    .525    62    .667

Notice the consistency there? That's the difference between a good player and a role player. Lin would struggle harder if he had to play with Ed Davis than he does with Boozer. Its statistical and I believe my eye test and statistical evidence than your hypothesis in this.

I think the offense lacks screens, ball movement, fluidity, attacking in early offense, not enough fast breaks, runs the same play too often in succession, overly ISO at times.

Lakers are 15th in the league in fastbreak points per game, which is league average and pretty impressive for this team.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/fa ... s-per-game

The bigs are not good screen setters, so I'm not even sure why that is Scott's issue. He cannot teach old dogs new tricks.

Hill and Boozer don't set good screens and they are pick and pop guys.

Boozer has been excellent diving to the rim off screen and rolls, refer previous shot chart.

Wes's athleticism needs to be used more. I know people are down on him, but I think he's done some things well and could do a lot more.

Wes Jonson is averaging career highs on PER, TS% and 3 pt % this season. Not sure how much better he can get when he already looks like a capable NBA player this season more than any other.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... swe01.html

A good X and Os coach would utilize the misfits, yes they aren't the best combination of players, into looking more like a team. They have in flashes, San Antonio, in the GS game they won, but would then expand on what they did right in that game and implement it more and add wrinkles to that. Then the last 3 minutes need better creativity as well as execution. I think Scott concentrated on defense and didn't give enough attention to offensive execution, spacing etc. and sometimes his lineups just don't have that guy out there that can space the floor. I think yes, Kelly is down and he would when Ellington is out, and you can't rely on Wes to do it, but this offense, even with these guys, I think could be a lot better.

That's just your opinion. I cannot change that. I was very much against Scott but he's been a pleasant surprise for me so far this season while navigating issues like Kobe which is rather important part of why he got the job, along with developing players. Wes & Sacre look better than they ever did, Boozer & Ellington are having a quiet renaissance and I'm yet to see how Kelly plays when he gets the chance.

[Kilroy]

Tripping out that the 1% of the world that actually thinks Mike Brown is a better coach than MDA are all Laker fans and on this forum.

[aaron_gray]

Oh yeah is it just me or did I see 2-3 plays where they tried to hit Wes Johnson on the low block? I think Wes got an and1 on one of those.

[Pointgod]

B Scott >> Mike Brown > MDA
I think you're giving Mike Brown a little too much credit as a coach

Brown > Scott > Pringles

Scott is a sub 500 coach on his career and lost every locker room he's touched for a reason. Brown got more out of a Cleveland team for a reason, squeezes more of la in a lockout for a reason. Brown is simply better at least at forcing his tempo with low possession ball. Scott is better than Pringles but he isn't a defensive or offensive coach. He'll he's not even head coach worthy without the right assistants. And Pringles is a boil on the ass of life with no filter

Lol Scott easily has done more with the worst roster. If Pringles was coaching Ed Davis would be glued to the bench. Brown would be running the **** Princeton offence and keep starting Lin despite the fact that he's a poor fit. Scott has shown that he's not afraid to change his lineup and has benched Kobe for his own good. Keep in mind he literally has the worst roster of any of the coaches. He has his faults but he's already better than both Brown and D'Antoni

[kblo247]

B Scott >> Mike Brown > MDA
I think you're giving Mike Brown a little too much credit as a coach

Brown > Scott > Pringles

Scott is a sub 500 coach on his career and lost every locker room he's touched for a reason. Brown got more out of a Cleveland team for a reason, squeezes more of la in a lockout for a reason. Brown is simply better at least at forcing his tempo with low possession ball. Scott is better than Pringles but he isn't a defensive or offensive coach. He'll he's not even head coach worthy without the right assistants. And Pringles is a boil on the ass of life with no filter

Lol Scott easily has done more with the worst roster. If Pringles was coaching Ed Davis would be glued to the bench. Brown would be running the **** Princeton offence and keep starting Lin despite the fact that he's a poor fit. Scott has shown that he's not afraid to change his lineup and has benched Kobe for his own good. Keep in mind he literally has the worst roster of any of the coaches. He has his faults but he's already better than both Brown and D'Antoni

Scott is attempting to run the Princeton he stole from Eddie Jordan .... Mike brown had the Princeton forced on him and his hand picked assistants replaced by laker picked assistants in his second year ... Brown didnt attempt to run any Princeton year one and he didn't even try and slow sessions down until,Bynum admittedly threw a bitch fit about sessions running and not feeding him


Mike brown sat Kobe with a sprain and then used him as coach Kobe too.

Brown is better, was better on their careers, in la, and did better in Cleveland to boot