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How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson?

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How much would you be willing to pay Jordan Clarkson per year?

<7 mil/yr
6
19%
7-11 mil/yr
9
28%
11-14 mil/yr
13
41%
14-17 mil/yr
3
9%
>17 mil/yr
1
3%
 
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Re: How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson? 

Post#41 » by Slava » Thu Dec 3, 2015 7:57 pm

ArC_man wrote:If the cap is ~90M, we'll have ~65M in cap space. Durant/Horford will be 27M max, guys like Barnes/Whiteside will be 22.5M max. Even if we get both Durant and Horford, we still have more than 10M to spent on Clarkson. If we dump Nick Young we'll have another 5M cap space to work with. There won't be a problem getting Clarkson the type of money he wants, he's not saying no to something like 4 years/47 mil.


We don't necessarily need cap space to re-sign Clarkson.
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Re: How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson? 

Post#42 » by iamworthy » Thu Dec 3, 2015 8:06 pm

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iamworthy wrote:He's restricted so let other teams set the market then determine if it's worth matching.


Problem with this is, by telling him to go find himself an offer you risk having his head turned by listening to other GMs or pissing him and his agent off. You reward a guy you find valuable for his development. That's the simple and easy way to do contract negotiations.


That's not a problem at all, that's negotiating. unless the lakers clearly thinks he's worth the max, they'll give him a number, If he doesn't like that number then he's free to get offer sheets from other teams. If Mitch Think he's worth it then he'll match. Mitch can't afford to be worried about somebody feelings, this is business. Players understand business. We are also the team that gave JC his shot in the NBA.
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Re: How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson? 

Post#43 » by ArC_man » Thu Dec 3, 2015 8:27 pm

Slava wrote:
ArC_man wrote:If the cap is ~90M, we'll have ~65M in cap space. Durant/Horford will be 27M max, guys like Barnes/Whiteside will be 22.5M max. Even if we get both Durant and Horford, we still have more than 10M to spent on Clarkson. If we dump Nick Young we'll have another 5M cap space to work with. There won't be a problem getting Clarkson the type of money he wants, he's not saying no to something like 4 years/47 mil.


We don't necessarily need cap space to re-sign Clarkson.

Yea we don't, I'm just saying even in the "best" case scenario where we splurge and land the 2 most expensive FAs, we still have over 10M to spend on Clarkson.
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Re: How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson? 

Post#44 » by LApwnd » Thu Dec 3, 2015 8:29 pm

ArC_man wrote:If the cap is ~90M, we'll have ~65M in cap space. Durant/Horford will be 27M max, guys like Barnes/Whiteside will be 22.5M max. Even if we get both Durant and Horford, we still have more than 10M to spent on Clarkson. If we dump Nick Young we'll have another 5M cap space to work with. There won't be a problem getting Clarkson the type of money he wants, he's not saying no to something like 4 years/47 mil.


are you sure about those max #'s for Barnes/Whiteside, seems kind of high for those 2 since they're on their 1st max contract.
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Re: How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson? 

Post#45 » by ArC_man » Thu Dec 3, 2015 8:47 pm

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ArC_man wrote:If the cap is ~90M, we'll have ~65M in cap space. Durant/Horford will be 27M max, guys like Barnes/Whiteside will be 22.5M max. Even if we get both Durant and Horford, we still have more than 10M to spent on Clarkson. If we dump Nick Young we'll have another 5M cap space to work with. There won't be a problem getting Clarkson the type of money he wants, he's not saying no to something like 4 years/47 mil.


are you sure about those max #'s for Barnes/Whiteside, seems kind of high for those 2 since they're on their 1st max contract.

I just calculated it based off of percentages of the total cap. For 1-6 years in the league the max salary is 25% of the cap. 7-9 years is 30% (Durant/Horford) and 10+ is 35%.
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Re: How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson? 

Post#46 » by LApwnd » Thu Dec 3, 2015 11:47 pm

its crazy how much hate this guy gets especially considering the lack of talent we have and the fact that he was a 2nd rd pick. The criticism sounds as if he should be "complete/perfect" player while ignoring his continuing improvements. I see some suggestions of trading him for Noel due to "upside" but this is his 2rd year and what has he improved on? He still has no offense outside of dunking, his defense has regressed because has to play only C in order to be effective. We forced Clarkson to become a SG and he's improved on his raw #'s and advance stats but yet he lacks "upside" or there's someone else we could trade for with higher upside? How do we know the pick or the potential other player we're trading has higher upside?
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Re: How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson? 

Post#47 » by TyCobb » Thu Dec 3, 2015 11:49 pm

Through scouting. Ben Simmons is what the 76ers pray happens every year.

Would this not be selling high on Clarkson?
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Re: How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson? 

Post#48 » by LApwnd » Thu Dec 3, 2015 11:56 pm

TyCobb wrote:Through scouting. Ben Simmons is what the 76ers pray happens every year.

Would this not be selling high on Clarkson?


i dont get your statement, how does trading Clarkson get us Simmons?
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Re: How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson? 

Post#49 » by ALL HAIL » Fri Dec 4, 2015 1:34 pm

TyCobb wrote:Through scouting. Ben Simmons is what the 76ers pray happens every year.

Would this not be selling high on Clarkson?

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Re: How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson? 

Post#50 » by miggs » Fri Dec 4, 2015 8:51 pm

I don't think Clarkson is even eligible for a bottom tier max deal which is for 21m so that's out of the question for sure.

I'm sure something in the range of 15m will be his actual max amount can earn in the 2nd year of his deal. I think in the first year he's limited in what he can earn, for us I think that means his 1st year salary would be 5.5m or something like that.

Year 1 - 5.5
Year 2 - 15m
Year 3 - 17.5m
Year 4 - 20m

I can see that deal as his absolute max, 4/60 type of deal though i'm guessing our approach will be to use what we can in cap space to advanced the rebuild with some prized signings then leave what's left plus the cap threshold to make up the starting salary for Clarkson's new deal and then really kick in during his second year.
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Re: How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson? 

Post#51 » by Vae Victus » Fri Dec 4, 2015 8:54 pm

Clarkson is the perfect combo guard 6th man off the bench for a championship level team. Not a true PG thus cant run a sophisticated offense, too short to play and guard SGs full time especially against elite teams, defensively has been very poor but I dunno how much of that is on him or Blockbuster.

Offensively however, he's been a gem. He's been scoring very efficiently and he's hitting 3s at an insane rate. His penetration and finishing ability is top notch, even if given a REAL coach who can put in a system instead of this ISO garbage, I don't see any reason why he cant maintain his shooting efficiency. I mean playing with Kobe, Lou WIll, and Swaggy is just straight demoralizing as they chuck with abandon and play no D, but so far Clarkson hasn't fully succumbed to the darkside except on the defensive end.

Personally with the new cap I would be comfortable giving him 10 mil a year for 4 years. If he pushes hard for more money i'd offer to make the 4th year a player option at the same price. He wont be so attractive to teams due to being restricted so unless a squad goes full (Please Use More Appropriate Word) and give him the max or some crazy poison pill, then yea it'd be an obvious pass.

Clarkson is not the type of player to tie up big cap room for, his progress has been very impressive so far, but his upside is limited and what we see now is likely what we will get. More important to get a SG to fit with DLo and let Clarkson run the bench crew.
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Re: How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson? 

Post#52 » by Jakay » Sat Dec 5, 2015 2:57 am

I would pay $2. That's me though. I'm basically broke right now.
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Re: How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson? 

Post#53 » by Asianiac_24 » Sat Dec 5, 2015 12:58 pm

Clarkson at this current market rate is worth, at the absolute least, 10M a year. 15 is about the most I would go though.
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Re: How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson? 

Post#54 » by Slava » Sun Dec 6, 2015 3:33 am

Asianiac_24 wrote:Clarkson at this current market rate is worth, at the absolute least, 10M a year. 15 is about the most I would go though.


Value wise he's not very far from someone like Wes Matthews if his 3 pt % holds up for the remainder of the season.
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Re: How much would you be willing to pay Clarkson? 

Post#55 » by Mirjalovic » Sun Dec 6, 2015 3:49 am

i believe his 3pt % is no fluke.

his work ethic really impressed me, he looks even faster than last year.
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