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Re: GT: T-Wolves @ Lakers October 28, 2015 7:30PM 

Post#501 » by Michael Lucky » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:36 pm

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Byron put the ball in a rookie's hands and trusted him enough to keep it there for better or worse... Clarkson's development is a direct result of that trust. Regardless of agenda, you simply cannot make a case for Scott having nothing to do with what Clarkson has achieved so far... It was his job to develop our prospects and so far he's done it...



Clakrson got development time because of all our injuries last year. Scott had no choice but to play him at that point.


There's always a choice...
Clarkson started every game after January 23rd... Lin wasn't injured until April. Price was starting until Clarkson took over... He wasn't injured until March.

Clarkson was starting because he was the best option and despite him being a low draft rookie, Scott recognized that and despite all the calls for Lin, he stayed with Clarkson.

Not sure how this could be anything but a positive for Scott.



How is it a positive that he was starting over Price, nor did he start getting his heaviest minutes until Price was injured. He had three guards at his disposal. He had no choice but to play all of them. Jabari was even getting crazy minutes at the end of the year.
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Re: GT: T-Wolves @ Lakers October 28, 2015 7:30PM 

Post#502 » by Kilroy » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:54 pm

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Clakrson got development time because of all our injuries last year. Scott had no choice but to play him at that point.


There's always a choice...
Clarkson started every game after January 23rd... Lin wasn't injured until April. Price was starting until Clarkson took over... He wasn't injured until March.

Clarkson was starting because he was the best option and despite him being a low draft rookie, Scott recognized that and despite all the calls for Lin, he stayed with Clarkson.

Not sure how this could be anything but a positive for Scott.



How is it a positive that he was starting over Price, nor did he start getting his heaviest minutes until Price was injured. He had three guards at his disposal. He had no choice but to play all of them. Jabari was even getting crazy minutes at the end of the year.


I already gave my justification... The proof is in the dates. And the thesis centers on Lin.

It really doesn't matter that Price and Lin were hot dog **** all year... Clarkson was essentially an unknown who could dunk.
Like giving the ball to Shannon Brown... As a rookie.
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Re: GT: T-Wolves @ Lakers October 28, 2015 7:30PM 

Post#503 » by dockingsched » Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:21 pm

Yeah, I'm not seeing where Scott can get all that much credit for Clarkson's development. Clarkson only played cause Kobe and Price got hurt, before that Scott gave absolutely no signs that he was at all concerned with Jordan's development. I'd say Clarkson developed despite Scott not giving him the time of day until he had no other choice but to play him.
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Re: GT: T-Wolves @ Lakers October 28, 2015 7:30PM 

Post#504 » by Kilroy » Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:42 pm

Scott had literally no other choice to start Clarkson and play him close 30+mpg.

Ok, that says two things to me... One, Scott is still not to blame for the Lakers failings, and Clarkson is just lucky...

Let's just stay with the no credit theme around here... Lakers are sub-prime...
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Re: GT: T-Wolves @ Lakers October 28, 2015 7:30PM 

Post#505 » by Dilly » Sun Nov 1, 2015 10:03 pm

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DEEP3CL wrote:Because I've seen them on the AAU circuit and college isn't all that much different than high school....except that the college coaches are strict control freaks. Trust I'm seeing what's out there and I get insider information on recruits through scouting services. Some have already said that this 2015 and 2016 high school classes are some of the weakest in quite some time.

I'm going to take the wait and see approach because prospects do improve their gm. So you're saying if we keep our pick u wouldn't want a shot at Simmons, Ingram, Jaylen?
Of course I would take those guys, but the reality of it is we're not coming close to keeping that pick. It means we'll have to finish with 20 or less wins to do so, and the odds are this team can win more than that so the pick is good as gone....you can bank on that.

Well we both just have to take the wait and see approach. All we go on is facts and they scream 0-2 at the moment
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Re: GT: T-Wolves @ Lakers October 28, 2015 7:30PM 

Post#506 » by TyCobb » Wed Nov 4, 2015 7:20 am

dockingsched wrote:Yeah, I'm not seeing where Scott can get all that much credit for Clarkson's development. Clarkson only played cause Kobe and Price got hurt, before that Scott gave absolutely no signs that he was at all concerned with Jordan's development. I'd say Clarkson developed despite Scott not giving him the time of day until he had no other choice but to play him.


That's just ignorant.
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Re: GT: T-Wolves @ Lakers October 28, 2015 7:30PM 

Post#507 » by TKainZero » Wed Nov 4, 2015 7:24 am

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dockingsched wrote:Yeah, I'm not seeing where Scott can get all that much credit for Clarkson's development. Clarkson only played cause Kobe and Price got hurt, before that Scott gave absolutely no signs that he was at all concerned with Jordan's development. I'd say Clarkson developed despite Scott not giving him the time of day until he had no other choice but to play him.


That's just ignorant.


Clarkson was rotting in the D-league until injuries forced him into playing 30 mins a game.
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Re: GT: T-Wolves @ Lakers October 28, 2015 7:30PM 

Post#508 » by EArl » Wed Nov 4, 2015 7:24 am

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Re: GT: T-Wolves @ Lakers October 28, 2015 7:30PM 

Post#509 » by crazyeights » Wed Nov 4, 2015 7:37 am

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dockingsched wrote:Yeah, I'm not seeing where Scott can get all that much credit for Clarkson's development. Clarkson only played cause Kobe and Price got hurt, before that Scott gave absolutely no signs that he was at all concerned with Jordan's development. I'd say Clarkson developed despite Scott not giving him the time of day until he had no other choice but to play him.


That's just ignorant.


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Re: GT: T-Wolves @ Lakers October 28, 2015 7:30PM 

Post#510 » by dockingsched » Wed Nov 4, 2015 12:59 pm

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dockingsched wrote:Yeah, I'm not seeing where Scott can get all that much credit for Clarkson's development. Clarkson only played cause Kobe and Price got hurt, before that Scott gave absolutely no signs that he was at all concerned with Jordan's development. I'd say Clarkson developed despite Scott not giving him the time of day until he had no other choice but to play him.


That's just ignorant.


Clarkson was rotting in the D-league until injuries forced him into playing 30 mins a game.



Get outta here with this info, some people don't wanna hear any criticisms of a former lakers great. Magic, James Worthy, Ty Cobb, defending Scott to the end. Front office getting exactly what they hired Scott for.
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Re: GT: T-Wolves @ Lakers October 28, 2015 7:30PM 

Post#511 » by Kilroy » Wed Nov 4, 2015 2:22 pm

dockingsched wrote:
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That's just ignorant.


Clarkson was rotting in the D-league until injuries forced him into playing 30 mins a game.



Get outta here with this info, some people don't wanna hear any criticisms of a former lakers great. Magic, James Worthy, Ty Cobb, defending Scott to the end. Front office getting exactly what they hired Scott for.


Scott has lots of failings... He's not a great coach. But credit where credit is due... He had other options than Clarkson. He CHOSE Clarkson and stuck with him despite overwhelming calls for Lin to start from his rabid fan-base, and despite Clarkson having bad games along with the good.

I just don't understand why it's like a assault on a religious belief to at least admit that.

Bad rotations, disjointed defense, weird usages... All fair. But it's at least reasonable to say he instilled confidence in Clarkson and provided him the platform to grow into the player he is now. It's not like Clarkson was the ONLY option he had.
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Re: GT: T-Wolves @ Lakers October 28, 2015 7:30PM 

Post#512 » by Marionettetc » Wed Nov 4, 2015 2:37 pm

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Re: GT: T-Wolves @ Lakers October 28, 2015 7:30PM 

Post#513 » by crazyeights » Fri Nov 6, 2015 2:19 am

Marionettetc wrote:Mommy and daddy are fighting.


Not to single you out, but enough of these types of posts. They're side-tracking. Mods can disagree with each other.
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Re: GT: T-Wolves @ Lakers October 28, 2015 7:30PM 

Post#514 » by dirtymike » Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:53 pm

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