Coach Scott implements all new offensive sets during Thursday's practice

[milesfides]

To me, the question that I keep asking in light of this is if the front office stepped in and forced Scott to abandon his system and implement one more to their liking.

I think with one year left on the clock, management will be much more active. Even to a fault. Their backs are against the wall.

[Edrees]

why didnt he just run these in training camp? Did he gain new basketball knowledge?

[N3LL]

Here's a haiku I came up with that summarizes the Lakers offense:

Lou Will shoots the ball.

Fading sideways, he misses.

Byron folds his arms.

[gts1]

why didnt he just run these in training camp? Did he gain new basketball knowledge?

baby steps for the kids or maybe they tried and the kids weren't grasping it?

[lake_show]

why didnt he just run these in training camp? Did he gain new basketball knowledge?

baby steps for the kids or maybe they tried and the kids weren't grasping it?

Yeah... No. There are more vets on this team than rookies. The focus of this team throughout the year has been the vets, and giving them their time. So... I doubt it very much. Good try though.

I like the addition of the news sets. I think it's about time. I think the easy answer here is Byron is starting to realize what was being done wasn't working and some changes needed to made. So he added some new sets. Like I said, it's about time.

[DNP-Old]

why didnt he just run these in training camp? Did he gain new basketball knowledge?

Maybe his players have gained new perspective.

Maybe Randle learned when he get the ball up top he cannot just muscle his way to the basket every time (as he has been able to do all his life).

Maybe the game had slowed down enough for Russell to realize he still has plenty of time, once he gets the ball back, to create scoring opportunities for his teammates rather than frantically playing hero ball.

It is clear Kobe has learned that his body will not let him be Kobe any more, but that didn't happen until after the season started.

Maybe it wasn't implemented earlier because the players wouldn't have been receptive to it.

For all the crap BS receives for how hard he was on the young players and how he let Kobe run wild, maybe he has them at the point that they are ready, and willing, to play team basketball.

[Hank7]

Russell ain't backing down from how he feels about Scott. Honestly, I can't blame him.

[dockingsched]

why didnt he just run these in training camp? Did he gain new basketball knowledge?

baby steps for the kids or maybe they tried and the kids weren't grasping it?

They've consistently ranked 29th in the league in offense, so baby steps to protect them or them not grasping can't isn't a valid reason

[DNP-Old]

why didnt he just run these in training camp? Did he gain new basketball knowledge?

baby steps for the kids or maybe they tried and the kids weren't grasping it?

They've consistently ranked 29th in the league in offense, so baby steps to protect them or them not grasping can't isn't a valid reason

Yes it is. If your kid struggles with reading you help them with simple books. You don't give them War and Peace and say it doesn't matter because they are bad anyway...

[lake_show]

baby steps for the kids or maybe they tried and the kids weren't grasping it?

They've consistently ranked 29th in the league in offense, so baby steps to protect them or them not grasping can't isn't a valid reason

Yes it is. If your kid struggles with reading you help them with simple books. You don't give them War and Peace and say it doesn't matter because they are bad anyway...

Really???... This is the analogy you're going with? Lol

In what world does there exist a play so complicated it's like reading war and peace vs reading remedial books? lol What does that play even look like? Lol Did we add some complicated triple version of the triangle?... No.

Even when we ran the triangle Phil would just run it. So... no. It's more likley that Byron was so committed to HIS offense that he didnt want to run anything else. Now that he realizes HIS sets suck he is adding sets from one of the best teams of the league. This is simple stuff guys.

[Goudelock]

They've consistently ranked 29th in the league in offense, so baby steps to protect them or them not grasping can't isn't a valid reason

Yes it is. If your kid struggles with reading you help them with simple books. You don't give them War and Peace and say it doesn't matter because they are bad anyway...

Really???... This is the analogy you're going with? Lol

In what world does there exist a play so complicated it's like reading war and peace vs reading remedial books? lol What does that play even look like? Lol Did we add some complicated triple version of the triangle?... No.

Even when we ran the triangle Phil would just run it. So... no. It's more likley that Byron was so committed to HIS offense that he didnt want to run anything else. Now that he realizes HIS sets suck he is adding sets from one of the best teams of the league. This is simple stuff guys.

Totally agree with all of this. It's one thing if our entire team is made up of 20 year-olds like the Thunder were years ago, but we have a crap-ton of vets on this team. So what's the excuse for a Clarkson-Lou-Kobe-Bass-Hibbert kind of lineup not being able to run a semi-complicated and functional offense?

[dockingsched]

baby steps for the kids or maybe they tried and the kids weren't grasping it?

They've consistently ranked 29th in the league in offense, so baby steps to protect them or them not grasping can't isn't a valid reason

Yes it is. If your kid struggles with reading you help them with simple books. You don't give them War and Peace and say it doesn't matter because they are bad anyway...

It's important to note that they supposedly ran a version of the new system in summer league so how complicated could it be. And if indeed it was too complicated, it makes it even more inexcusable to not begin implementing it during the 3 days of practice after the break instead of one practice after a 3 game road trip.

[Slava]

Summer league offense was a dredge, I watched every single minute of it. Madsen was micromanaging, calling set plays on every single possession.

[gts1]

Yes it is. If your kid struggles with reading you help them with simple books. You don't give them War and Peace and say it doesn't matter because they are bad anyway...

Really???... This is the analogy you're going with? Lol

In what world does there exist a play so complicated it's like reading war and peace vs reading remedial books? lol What does that play even look like? Lol Did we add some complicated triple version of the triangle?... No.

Even when we ran the triangle Phil would just run it. So... no. It's more likley that Byron was so committed to HIS offense that he didnt want to run anything else. Now that he realizes HIS sets suck he is adding sets from one of the best teams of the league. This is simple stuff guys.

Phil didn't run the Triangle the first season.. he eased it in throughout the course of the season and even then he said they were running 30% of the triangle by the time the playoffs hit


Totally agree with all of this. It's one thing if our entire team is made up of 20 year-olds like the Thunder were years ago, but we have a crap-ton of vets on this team. So what's the excuse for a Clarkson-Lou-Kobe-Bass-Hibbert kind of lineup not being able to run a semi-complicated and functional offense?

because you run one offense for the whole team...

it's not like they brought a bunch of kids onto a team full of vets that had been together for years and they just have to ease the kids in... they brought in a bunch of kids AND a number vets onto a team at the same time so you run system for everyone..

you had only 5 guys (Randle being one of them) held over from last season and 3 of those guys saw precious time together due to injuries so it's not like you had a squad of guys who knew what the system was... Scare and Nick Young were the guys with the most experience in the system...

lets not ignore facts and pretend this wasn't a team that wasn't starting at square one, it was about as close to an expansion team as you can get...lol

[lake_show]

Really???... This is the analogy you're going with? Lol

In what world does there exist a play so complicated it's like reading war and peace vs reading remedial books? lol What does that play even look like? Lol Did we add some complicated triple version of the triangle?... No.

Even when we ran the triangle Phil would just run it. So... no. It's more likley that Byron was so committed to HIS offense that he didnt want to run anything else. Now that he realizes HIS sets suck he is adding sets from one of the best teams of the league. This is simple stuff guys.

Phil didn't run the Triangle the first season.. he eased it in throughout the course of the season and even then he said they were running 30% of the triangle by the time the playoffs hit


Totally agree with all of this. It's one thing if our entire team is made up of 20 year-olds like the Thunder were years ago, but we have a crap-ton of vets on this team. So what's the excuse for a Clarkson-Lou-Kobe-Bass-Hibbert kind of lineup not being able to run a semi-complicated and functional offense?

because you run one offense for the whole team...

it's not like they brought a bunch of kids onto a team full of vets that had been together for years and they just have to ease the kids in... they brought in a bunch of kids AND a number vets onto a team at the same time so you run system for everyone..

you had only 5 guys (Randle being one of them) held over from last season and 3 of those guys saw precious time together due to injuries so it's not like you had a squad of guys who knew what the system was... Scare and Nick Young were the guys with the most experience in the system...

lets not ignore facts and pretend this wasn't a team that wasn't starting at square one, it was about as close to an expansion team as you can get...lol

Not sure how any of that makes any sense with what you're trying to say. Especially considering the fact that they had to learn a bunch of new offensive sets ANYWAYS, because like you said they were "as close to an expansion team as you can get".

I know you're on your "let's not ignore the facts rant" so I'm not gonna interupt too much. I'm just gonna leave this video of Scott talking about how everyone ALREADY knows how to run this set. It's one set with a bunch of options and the "kids" were actually already running this set in summer league.

But once you're done, lets stop pretending you know what you're talking about. Don't get me wrong, you have some pretty good insights at times but every once and a while you tend to go off the deep end. So here are the facts, let's not ignore them:

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5iIXo_RwiK8[/youtube]

[gts1]

They've consistently ranked 29th in the league in offense, so baby steps to protect them or them not grasping can't isn't a valid reason

Yes it is. If your kid struggles with reading you help them with simple books. You don't give them War and Peace and say it doesn't matter because they are bad anyway...

It's important to note that they supposedly ran a version of the new system in summer league so how complicated could it be. And if indeed it was too complicated, it makes it even more inexcusable to not begin implementing it during the 3 days of practice after the break instead of one practice after a 3 game road trip.

the timing would have been better after the allstar break for sure but meh, they probably wanted to get through the road trip and get to this point.. we only have 7 road games from here on out so it's not a bad time to implement it... better now than next training camp

as to the summer league hard to say, you only have 5 guys out of the 15 on the roster playing so whatever you run it's not like you've immersed the entire team in it and it's only 5 games with limited practice time, they're going to get the basic this is where you start the set but they're not going to get into options which is expected, with no time and new people they (the coaches) don't even know what they have on their hands talent wise...

whatever they ran, as bad as they played in summer I'd probably scrap it too...lol Russell looked lost in it and Clarkson looked like he took a step back but then like I said it's summer league, not a place where you're going to learn anything accept what needs to be worked on

[Laker_Kid]

so how does the new set look? how much credit does scott get for russell's career night? he must be feeling smug right now. lol

[tugs]

So no one's speculating that the trade deadline has passed and no team took our baits that is why we're in youth development mode now?

[dockingsched]

so how does the new set look? how much credit does scott get for russell's career night? he must be feeling smug right now. lol

DLo being on fire certainly makes it tough to get a true sense of where they're at cohesively, but the most telling thing will be when Kobe and to a lesser extent Lou come back. Kobe monopolizes so much of the offense that it really changes everyone's role.

[milesfides]

New offensive set: Let Russell play ball