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Russell's Future Position

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Prediction: This time next year, will Russell be considered a SG or a PG?

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Re: Russell's Future Position 

Post#41 » by Slava » Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:09 pm

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Johnstarks wrote:If he isn't a lead guard with a high usage rate then it's a giant mistake to have taken him over porzingis . I'll admit I've seen very little of this guy other than highlights and summer league but what is the deal? All I heard about coming out of college was his playmaking skil,s and vision.. where is it? Just not enough athleticism or was it Scott being too rigid, some of both?

The early shooting numbers are promising but that ast/to rate is putrid from a guy I thought was a pure point coming out. Hes got the size and ability to play either spot. Perhaps a combo role in his future with clarkson

People were mesmerized by his occasional trick passes and fancy dribbling.

He's never been a PG before until last year. The Lakers knew this, but took a chance anyway.

My opinion is that if the Lakers could step inside of a Delorion, they'd pick a different dude.

And that statement is less of an indictment on Russell's game and more of a testimony to some of the immense talent they passed up on (not just talking Porzingis and Turner either).


People weren't mesmerized by his trick passes or dribbling although he did have a little too many vine moments to have the casual fans excited. People who scouted him intently were interested in him because he combined volume scoring at excellent efficiency with play making skill and ability to read defenses at a maturity beyond his age, which is extremely hard to find.
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Re: Russell's Future Position 

Post#42 » by Johnstarks » Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:18 pm

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Johnstarks wrote: I'll admit I've seen very little of this guy other than highlights and summer league but what is the deal?


The early shooting numbers are promising but that ast/to rate is putrid from a guy I thought was a pure point coming out


Basically your initial assumption is completely wrong and you haven't bothered to watch him either but you are here asking us why he is supposedly "putrid". :noway:



Well the Lakers weren't televised this year because every warriors game was instead. He hasn't really been on tv. And it wasn't my assessment it was every draftnik who was praising his playmaking. Hes got the ratio of a combo guard though with a surprisingly high 3pt% from a guy that young. It's like the exact opposite of what I was expecting. But since his athleticism is somewhat lacking maybe he just needs to get a better feel for the game before taking over pg duties.

You don't take a shooting guard #2 in a deep draft over big men.. so seems pretty obvious he was expected to play pg initially. I give them a lot of credit for dodging the okafor landmine thouh. I was shocked they didn't take him but I applauded the move
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Re: Russell's Future Position 

Post#43 » by ALL HAIL » Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:22 pm

I don't disagree. But, you have to admit, even for the professionals, those trick passes and fancy handles made the notion of him as a full-time PG much more palatable.
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Re: Russell's Future Position 

Post#44 » by Slava » Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:26 pm

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Johnstarks wrote: I'll admit I've seen very little of this guy other than highlights and summer league but what is the deal?


The early shooting numbers are promising but that ast/to rate is putrid from a guy I thought was a pure point coming out


Basically your initial assumption is completely wrong and you haven't bothered to watch him either but you are here asking us why he is supposedly "putrid". :noway:



Well the Lakers weren't televised this year because every warriors game was instead. He hasn't really been on tv. And it wasn't my assessment it was every draftnik who was praising his playmaking. Hes got the ratio of a combo guard though with a surprisingly high 3pt% from a guy that young. It's like the exact opposite of what I was expecting. But since his athleticism is somewhat lacking maybe he just needs to get a better feel for the game before taking over pg duties.

You don't take a shooting guard #2 in a deep draft over big men.. so seems pretty obvious he was expected to play pg initially. I give them a lot of credit for dodging the okafor landmine thouh. I was shocked they didn't take him but I applauded the move


Please, if you are going to make blanket statements like these, atleast do a superficial level of research and look at the number of big man free agents in the market this summer and the number of legit SGs and tell me which ones got paid more.

Its not my fault that you are reading crappy draftniks. Russell played SG in college and won the Jerry West award. He is rated highly because of his ability to score at a high level along with reading and reacting to defenses by being one step ahead of an adjusting defense.

Regarding the Okafor landmine you should thank the draft order flipped for the Knicks because he was Phil's guy in the draft if you kept your #2 slot. Lakers had Porzingis and Mudiay next on their draft board.
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Re: Russell's Future Position 

Post#45 » by Johnstarks » Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:32 pm

Yes perhaps. I mostly thank porzingis agent for saying porzingis wasn't going to workout for the 76ers and asking them not to draft him. I definitely think phil would have botched the pick if given the opportunity.

I think the old washed up big men fa got huge deals and the young rising sg got max deals... any rising big man worth a crap wI'll get maxed out too like noel... even guys like plumlee, leonard, etc got 8 figures...
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Re: Russell's Future Position 

Post#46 » by Slava » Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:37 pm

Johnstarks wrote:Yes perhaps. I mostly thank porzingis agent for saying porzingis wasn't going to workout for the 76ers and asking them not to draft him. I definitely think phil would have botched the pick if given the opportunity.

I think the old washed up big men fa got huge deals and the young rising sg got max deals... any rising big man worth a crap wI'll get maxed out too like noel... even guys like plumlee, leonard, etc got 8 figures...


Leonard and Plumlee got $44 mil each. Derozan, Beal and Conley with a combined one all star appearance amongst them got about half a billion dollars combined, not to mention Harden and Westbrook's renegotiated contracts.
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Re: Russell's Future Position 

Post#47 » by Johnstarks » Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:50 pm

Right. Total scrub centers got 8 figures annually..

Sg averaging 20+ ppg got max dea worth about 20m
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Re: Russell's Future Position 

Post#48 » by dockingsched » Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:57 pm

We gonna pretend guards that have never done anything but be average at best didn't get insane deals? Look at Tyler Johnson, Allen crabbe, Evan turner
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Re: Russell's Future Position 

Post#49 » by Jody Smokz » Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:58 pm

Why are people still acting like D'Angelo Russell is a bust or mistake? I love Porzingis and he might the only one you could argue that in a redraft they should consider him but Russell will be fine. Was James Harden looking like a potential 29/7/7 in year 1 to yall?
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Re: Russell's Future Position 

Post#50 » by TKainZero » Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:55 pm

warrenpeace wrote:
TKainZero wrote:It's a good question

I think it depends on who is next to him. I like clarkson as a 6th man. And want the other starting guard with Russell to be a versitle defender. That could switch 1-3 and take the toughest guard/wing assignment

Like, if the lakers could snag Marcus smart some how. (Sending out maybe randle)

Russell
Smart
Ingram
Nance
Zubac

That's a nice mix in a starting 5
D'Angelo first have to prove that he is good enough to warrant these team changing decisions (sacrifices). The jury is still out. It would not surprise me if Randle ends up being the better and more valuable player.


I like Randle a lot as well.
I think Russell is going to have more room to be himself this year. He can defiantly shoot, now he is going to get time to run the offense thru him and see if he can show his swag

I would look to find a absolute defensive stud to put next to Russell.
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Re: Russell's Future Position 

Post#51 » by NYCLaker » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:45 pm

Next summer we will most likely draft a wing player, so Russ will either stay at the 1 or at the 2, depending on who we draft. '

We get tatum or jackson, he can stay at 1. WE get fultz, smith or ball, he can move to the 2 and play as the lead guard.

Most interesting combination would be Fultz/Smith + Dlo.

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