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Re: GT: Warriors @ Lakers Nov. 4 - 7:30 PST - ESPN 

Post#501 » by Landsberger » Sat Nov 5, 2016 4:26 pm

Danny Darko wrote:A couple statistical observations:

1. min definitely followed player success in this game for the Lakeshow-
Nance 30 min
Randle 30 min
Clarkson 29
Ingram 27
Lou 26
Russell 22

Black, Mozgov combined 30 (didn't look great, Luke found ways to make Nance and Randle work instead).
Deng- missing wide open shots not playing team system offense and not killing it on D got 19 min... 8 less than Ingram who lead the team in +/-

2. Ingram is shooting like hell but consistently has a pretty legit +/- rating. That is awesome because he's influencing games and there is no way in hell he keeps missing open shots. His aggression tonight was something that didn't happen for D'Angelo for more than half his first season.

3. Clarkson is imo not playing great right now, but he did have 5 assists (most in this game for LA) which shocks me because he missed a ton of wide open guys to shoot the kind of contested crap I think of as Lou Williamson shots minus the ability to draw fouls or hit circus shots. I anticipate Clarkson will find his way again this year and I will guess that when he does he might have a 25 and 10 kind of aptitude on a few nights.

4.Nance has a knack for not missing shots when he's on.
6-6 shooting for 12 points with with 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, and 0 turnovers. Holy crap that's a good stat line and since summer league he's had a several games where he was perfect or almost perfect shooting. His championship caliber "it" factor reminds me of Horry and I hope we keep him, because this is the kind of guy Phil and Pop always seemed to prioritize finding and locking up.


Luke putting minutes with players who are showing the most IMHO. Our second unit is playing very well right now. The ball keeps moving with them unlike the starters where the ball is moving less and more shots are contested and deep.

I think Deng is not in shape and still being nagged by injury. Either that or he's fallen off more than I thought. He looks out of sync.

Clarkson is playing OK. He's had stretches this season that have kept us in games single handedly and he's had stretches where he's not in sync with the team. I don't mind him being a little selfish when he's going to the hoop. He's the best player we have at doing that and he can get easy baskets that way. I'll take him on a tough finish over kick outs to open 3 point shooters because we don't really have any consistent dead eye shooters from 3.

Russell is the one who seems to be lagging in our guard rotation. He's hit some 3's but he still struggles getting open looks. He's shooting below 40% on the season. His effort on D last night was good to start the game, the results were not but GS missed all of the open 3's for most of the game. His second stint on the floor he was back to sagging off his man and turning his back to the ball. He's going to be streaky on offense but the defense needs to be a consistent thing from him. It seems if he misses a couple of shots early he just goes through the motions on defense.

Ingram is struggling with the strength aspect of his game. He is unable to score after contact and seems hesitant to take some shots. This will change as he gets more burn. I do like his ability to see and understand the floor. He's got some of the best "court instincts" on the team actually.

Randle got dunks and tip-ins to work but everything else in the paint was pretty ugly. If he ever develops a go to shot in the paint that works he could be a 15ppg guy. He dribbles with his palm and it looks like he shoots it with his palm on the ball as well. Hard to get touch shots to go doing that.

Nance has the attitude of Mark Madsen with athleticism. He's going 100 miles an hour for every second he's in there. He's not a scorer or shooter by nature so I expect streaking performances but not streaky effort.

Williams is what he is... he's always been a pressure shooter.... he's always been a volume shooter.

Young is playing more under control than at any point in his career. He's trying to play Defense too.... and actually doing it pretty well at times. He's surprised me.
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Re: GT: Warriors @ Lakers Nov. 4 - 7:30 PST - ESPN 

Post#502 » by The Skyhook » Sat Nov 5, 2016 5:09 pm

Luke has got these guys buying into his vision. Even in their losses this team has scratched and clawed its way to the finish line. They were not doing that under Byron last season. Its also fairly obvious how much the ball movement has improved under Luke's offense.

Ingram has a long way to go in order to adjust to the NBA on the offensive end. When he drives to the basket he uses the same exact moves he did in college but he was able to to get away with it due to smaller and weaker completion. Until he gets stronger Ingram is going to have to find a different way to get his buckets. Despite his struggles, his length and activity on the defensive end are going to keep earning him minutes. I can't wait until this kid comes into his own.
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Re: GT: Warriors @ Lakers Nov. 4 - 7:30 PST - ESPN 

Post#503 » by danfantastk32 » Sat Nov 5, 2016 5:10 pm

ak7 wrote: No offense, but anybody saying it was a schedule win can take that and shove it. The Warriors starters played barely 30 minutes against OKC in a game that was decided in the 2nd quarter. Then they drove a couple hours down the coast to the Staples Center and got their asses kicked, plain and simple. They didn't even leave the State of California.


I'll add to that. Back-to-back games are decent excuse on the road...game 54-55 of a season. But game 6-7? Surely the Warriors are still very fresh from several months off. I will give that clearly the Warriors are still trying to figure everything out on their end. Bogut was not a great center by any means...but this Zaza Pechulia guy is awful. The Warriors were really off with their shots as well. Klay has not been shooting well at all so far this year.

I do think everyone needs to take the win for what it was. Last night was a great example of this team doing everything right. We all have made those 'what ifs' ...."if X and Y and Z all get it going, and so and so had a good game, we can beat that team" ....well last night was that 'what if' come true for sure.

Luke has really done great with the guys so far. I think it's very important that these guys bought in early, and had their heads high. I was worried that with our hard schedule we may be 0-6 or 1-5....but instead guys are really believing. But it's not just believing...they went out and freakin' DID IT. Huge.

As fans...I think we saw what the team can be. Your seeing that Nance and Randle can play together. Lou can be an ice-man. Young CAN be a legit player in the league. You saw us play and attack as a committee. I dig it.

And for the players, this has been a great way to start the season. With the exception of Zubac, the guys not playing are guys who we know will play little/no role moving forward. Love Ya Artest...but you knew what your role was gonna be. Everyone 10-11 deep are getting minutes. Everyone's getting involved. Russell only played 21 minutes last night......a hangable offense last season, but you don't even notice. Russell not pouting. The action is there. He's totally involved, playing his game. It's like that for everyone right now....and this was the right way to go about it. Ingram was not shooting well last night, but he was doing other things very well. When GS made a little push in the 4th...I really thought Luke was gonna pull him, and try and get someone in who was hot. Try and get that win. I know he said wins were 2ndary....but come on...this is a BIG win, I thought. Nope....he stayed true. Kept Ingram in the whole stretch, and we pulled it out anyhow. THAT was the biggest part of the game for me.

Watching Ingram, I can't help but see Durant. It's just so freakin THERE. The way he attacks, his variety of shots. When he settles in, and starts making those things....we got a CRAZY GOOD player. Nice as this was for us fans....this game will get buried in the pile, for players mid-February. But little things like keeping Ingram in there will be the real take-aways down the line.
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Post#504 » by Ckay » Sat Nov 5, 2016 5:53 pm

If you missed the game.
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Post#505 » by Landsberger » Sat Nov 5, 2016 5:54 pm

I think GS was not mentally prepared for the game. Truth be told we gave them 15 wide open 3's in the game. My bets are that they don't miss 12 of those again. Curry had 7 3's with no one within 8 feet of him that he missed. A large part of this win was GS not showing up for whatever reason.

We won, but thinking that we belong at their level because of it is overrating the win a little IMHO. With that said, I'm not sure GS is as good as everyone thinks. It's already evident that the big 3 are not comfortable together and defensively they will miss Bogut. Their win was the product of a lot of things aligning for them. Teams that rely so heavily on the 3 will fall apart when it doesn't drop like last night.

A good win for us and it shows we are improved in just about every way. That's what I'm taking away.
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Post#508 » by dockingsched » Sat Nov 5, 2016 7:39 pm

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This is encouraging in that Randle has been able to get his shot off at such a high rate in the restricted area while at the same time knocking it down at a super human percentage.

The concerning part is that it's likely he'll see a massive regression in the percentage he's knocking that restricted area shot down and when that happens there still isn't any evidence that his effective shooting range has improved.
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Post#509 » by Landsberger » Sat Nov 5, 2016 7:51 pm

It's a result of the new system. He's getting close looks. He is shooting a better % this year for sure. I'd like to know how many of his close shots are dunks and what his % is on shots other than dunks or break away layups. I've been seeing the same issues as in the past when he's in close in a crowd with finishing. Last night he had 2 or 3 straight possession where he missed in the paint with some awkward looking shots.

Good offenses put players in positions to succeed and that's what I'm seeing with Randle. He's getting the ball in great spots.
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Post#510 » by snaquille oatmeal » Sat Nov 5, 2016 8:18 pm

ScHoolBoy B wrote:It's weird how all these haters are starting to like us now.

Please go back to hating us. We don't need your support.

I have a feeling that it has a lot to do with Kobe not beating their teams anymore
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Post#511 » by BEazy » Sat Nov 5, 2016 8:22 pm

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ScHoolBoy B wrote:It's weird how all these haters are starting to like us now.

Please go back to hating us. We don't need your support.

I have a feeling that it has a lot to do with Kobe not beating their teams anymore


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Post#512 » by iamworthy » Sat Nov 5, 2016 9:14 pm

When Russell dropped that three in Currys eye did he say F him?
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Post#513 » by iamworthy » Sun Nov 6, 2016 3:26 am

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Post#514 » by lake_show » Sun Nov 6, 2016 4:00 am

Really loving Lou Will off the bench. Lou really isn't a point guard and he's also not a traditional shooting guard. I've said it before and I'll say it again, he needs the ball in his hands with freedom to work to be effective. He needs to be given the ball and told "Go do whatever you want". When he can just create something from nothing he's at his best. Off the bench he has the freedom to do that. He's still not a starter, but off the bench... he's just too good.
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Post#516 » by Slava » Sun Nov 6, 2016 11:36 am

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I think a playmaking big man is going to be our top priority along with a solid defensive SG going forward. We might get away with playing Ingram there for a while but a big like Griffin would be ideal for how Luke wants us to play on offense.
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Post#517 » by iamworthy » Sun Nov 6, 2016 3:36 pm

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I think a playmaking big man is going to be our top priority along with a solid defensive SG going forward. We might get away with playing Ingram there for a while but a big like Griffin would be ideal for how Luke wants us to play on offense.



Are you talking about replacing Randle? Also I would love to have a Kris Dunn on our team and move Russell to shooting guard.
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Post#518 » by Slava » Sun Nov 6, 2016 4:09 pm

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I think a playmaking big man is going to be our top priority along with a solid defensive SG going forward. We might get away with playing Ingram there for a while but a big like Griffin would be ideal for how Luke wants us to play on offense.



Are you talking about replacing Randle? Also I would love to have a Kris Dunn on our team and move Russell to shooting guard.


Doesn't have to be replacing Randle. We can run a three big rotation or even start Griffin and Randle together.
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Post#519 » by DEEP3CL » Mon Nov 7, 2016 3:54 am

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DEEP3CL wrote:Another win for growth. Everybody gonna go with the " it was a back to back", that's true and truth be told this was probably a schedule win but bottom line you still have to play the game. Our bench won us the game, getting 61 from there is insane but we have guys that can get buckets from the bench.

Looking forward to Phoenix now.


No offense, but anybody saying it was a schedule win can take that and shove it. The Warriors starters played barely 30 minutes against OKC in a game that was decided in the 2nd quarter. Then they drove a couple hours down the coast to the Staples Center and got their asses kicked, plain and simple. They didn't even leave the State of California.

The young kids kicked the Warriors ass, and frankly if teams learn to jump on the Warriors, night's like last night are going to happen a bit more frequently. The Warriors are soft.
Guess I'm gonna have to shove it then....that's why I said "probably". Fact is the scheduled is going to help you and hinder you at times in the season. But yeah we did kick their ass up and down Staples floor. And they flew here by charter,teams don't do buses....so chances are they didn't get to LA until early morning.
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