#1 pick and you can't keep it...

warren weel im · Post #1 » by **warren weel im** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:40 pm

Lakers finish with 26 wins and wins the lottery. Now, you can't keep it. What do you do?

The idea is fluid, but supposedly Jim Buss is canned/offers to resign and Mitch assumes all duties as team president and officially names Ryan West the team's GM.

larry14r · Post #2 » by **larry14r** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:14 pm

warren weel im wrote:Lakers finish with 26 wins and wins the lottery. Now, you can't keep it. What do you do?

The idea is fluid, but supposedly Jim Buss is canned/offers to resign and Mitch assumes all duties as team president and officially names Ryan West the team's GM.

Well not so fast Ryan has two people ahead of him for the job one of them is Buss sibling. Well with the new CBA making it hard for us to get all star players we might have to keep it.

Post #3 » by **Kilroy** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:49 pm

larry14r wrote:
warren weel im wrote:Lakers finish with 26 wins and wins the lottery. Now, you can't keep it. What do you do?

The idea is fluid, but supposedly Jim Buss is canned/offers to resign and Mitch assumes all duties as team president and officially names Ryan West the team's GM.

Well not so fast Ryan has two people ahead of him for the job one of them is Buss sibling. Well with the new CBA making it hard for us to get all star players we might have to keep it.

I think his point is, we end up with the worst record in the league but end up with the 4th pick in the lottery and lose the pick.

It would be kind of silly to make a front office change based on unfriendly lottery balls, but anything's possible I guess.

That's the risk you run tanking with a top 3 protected pick. There's still the lottery to get through.

I think if Jim leaves the last thing the family will want is another sibling as GM, so I'd guess West jumps to the top of the list for internal hires.

Here's my outlandish, paranoid theory... Jeanie has been meeting with Magic to secure herself a prominent place in the Org as payment for orchestrating an agreement to sell the franchise to his group, among the siblings.
I think it's probably too soon for them to sell thought... However, if Jim doesn't agree to leave his position and the rift develops, they might.

warren weel im · Post #4 » by **warren weel im** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:03 pm

Actually, we "Won" the lottery w/ the #1 pick, but we need to trade it.

Post #5 » by **Kilroy** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:47 pm

Seems like faulty logic to me... Trading the pick is always an option that Mitch says he explores, but nobody has a gun to their head to trade it... There's no 'need' to trade it, in fact if a team sucks bad enough to get one of the top 3 players in the draft, it's almost always better to take the player in the draft than it is to trade the pick. Fans are almost always happier with the draft process than they would be for whatever player they could get in a trade.

Vesper · Post #6 » by **Vesper** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:56 pm

It's easy.

Granted the draft prospects are not ready, we trade the pick for either PG13 or Butler or Cousins (NO TO WESTBROOK)

A healthy Pg13 is probably the best fit, but I think Butler is the easiest player to get out o the 3. So, package the pick with Randle and JC and get Butler, Cousins or George. (OR DENG if it is PaulGeorge)

Granted we get pg13 or butler, we are set with one wing position and russ can navigate the other position. Than, resign Young to a hometown discount contract and start him at SG/SF pending on who we get. Have both George and Ingram play the forward positions and play Mozgov at Center. (IF Butler, start butler at the 2, young at the 3 and Deng at the 4)

We have better spacing, defense/hustle and synergy. Than the bench squad led by LouWill with Ingram, Nance and Zubac/Black and potentially Deron Williams or Jrue. I think this team can make the playoffs and even 4-5th seed

BEazy · Post #7 » by **BEazy** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:17 pm

If we land the number 1 pick why can't we keep it? It officially belongs to the Lakers and they decide what to do with it...

Honestly, number 1 pick is a sure fire stud with the way these last couple drafts have been going and I would keep it and let one of the young guys on the roster go if it came down to that.

Post #8 » by **dockingsched** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:18 pm

Under your scenario I fire Ryan west, bring on Sam hinkie to run the show and let him fleece the Kings again in a package for Cousins

danfantastk32 · Post #9 » by **danfantastk32** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:22 pm

I'm looking at Chicago....and they are a sub-.500 team right now. So how do we go from the bottom of the league, to a 4-5th seed by trading our pick, Randle and JC for Butler?

Also....I'm showing Butler as a SF. Don't we have a very promising SF already? Perhaps you can move one of them to the SG position....but I still fail to see how Butler makes us one of the dominant teams?

If we're trading away our new pick....that team needs to take either Mozgov or Deng off our hands as well.

Vesper · Post #10 » by **Vesper** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:51 pm

Ingram to me is going to be our stretch 4 in the future. SO, if Butler is a SF now you can interchange between Butler and Young at the 2-3 position.

Adding Butler adds perimeter defense and a leader to our team. (Currently, I think Nick Young is the leader of the Lakers) Also, trading Randle allows for better team play at the 4 position

larry14r · Post #11 » by **larry14r** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:26 pm

Vesper wrote:Ingram to me is going to be our stretch 4 in the future. SO, if Butler is a SF now you can interchange between Butler and Young at the 2-3 position.

Adding Butler adds perimeter defense and a leader to our team. (Currently, I think Nick Young is the leader of the Lakers) Also, trading Randle allows for better team play at the 4 position

OK Ingram coming off the bench are you out of your mind you want to mess up his development if so might as well add him to the deal too.

MrWaffles · Post #12 » by **MrWaffles** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:10 pm

LOL if you think trading a #1 pick for an expiring contract in PG or Cousins is a good idea.

#1 for Jimmy and Denzel V.

Vesper · Post #13 » by **Vesper** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:15 pm

larry14r wrote:
Vesper wrote:Ingram to me is going to be our stretch 4 in the future. SO, if Butler is a SF now you can interchange between Butler and Young at the 2-3 position.

Adding Butler adds perimeter defense and a leader to our team. (Currently, I think Nick Young is the leader of the Lakers) Also, trading Randle allows for better team play at the 4 position

OK Ingram coming off the bench are you out of your mind you want to mess up his development if so might as well add him to the deal too.

Ingram started last game and we lost by 50..... Luke and company going to need to figure out what Ingram's role/position is going to be in the future. As of now, Ingram is still very raw offensively. Also, if he is ready, we can always move Young to the bench role and start Ingram

danfantastk32 · Post #14 » by **danfantastk32** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:43 am

I have my doubts about Ingram being a stretch-4. Jeez..the guy's a rail as it is. Your gonna put him up against PF's?

That would be a nice mis-match, if we were this deep, dominant team. But every team will put their 3 against him, and laugh as he tries to defend against Draymond Green, Griffin, A-Davis, Aldridge, Millsap, Favors, Love....and the rest of them.

Spens1 · Post #15 » by **Spens1** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:57 am

If we can't keep it.

Yeah we better be getting an absolute superstar in return for that pick, i mean this draft has Fultz and Ball, i really don't want to pass up on them. Maybe swap it for DMC (if the Kings are tired of him) or shop it around for someone of similar value (Paul George maybe).

Ideally we keep it, push Clarkson to the bench, move Russell to S.G, trade Williams if we haven't already (maybe ship off Deng and/or Mozgov in that package just to get rid of the salary with him) and select Fultz and Ball

Ball/Fultz-Russell-Ingram-Randle-Zubac

i think we'll be right with that core.

Rafer24 · Post #16 » by **Rafer24** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:10 am

It´s likely Cousins will resign with the Kings in the summer.

So, if we can´t keep the pick and Indiana have had a poor season, maybe we can sneak a trade for George. Long shot but maybe Bird is inclined to rebuild around Turner and the pick.

Fresh360Waves · Post #17 » by **Fresh360Waves** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:27 am

Vesper wrote:Ingram to me is going to be our stretch 4 in the future. SO, if Butler is a SF now you can interchange between Butler and Young at the 2-3 position.

Adding Butler adds perimeter defense and a leader to our team. (Currently, I think Nick Young is the leader of the Lakers) Also, trading Randle allows for better team play at the 4 position

Ingram won't ever have the weight to play the 4 full time (I understand he will put on muscle after this season and in the future). Maybe he will play stretch 4 in short stints down the line, but I think he will ultimately be a 3.

warren weel im · Post #18 » by **warren weel im** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:28 pm

As it is, I think Luke should explore putting Ingram at the 2. This is a position that involves running and cardio but less banging. HIs shooting is nowhere near the efficiency required, but this would lessen his propensity to be injured.