Ingram is going to be lucky if he fills out to KD's level while he's playing... And he'll be just about as much a 'stretch 4' as KD is right now...
Ingram is too skilled to be relegated to being a jump shooter stationed out past the 3pt line... He's going to be a cross between LO and KD for us.
And we don't want our 2nd pick in the draft ending up being nothing more than a stretch 4 anyway... Anyone excited by the idea Ingram might become the next Ryan Anderson? I'm not. If that's his ceiling, we should seriously consider trading him now.
But, that's not his ceiling, because he's not a stretch 4... So no worries.
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I wasn't saying or wanting him to be a stretch 4. My line has been that Ingram and Randle do not both fit well next to Zubac in a future starting lineup scenario IMO. No one stretches the floor and/or opens the lane for Pick and Roll and any post work will always have the opposing PF in the paint when Randle is on the floor. If Zubac is a future center for us he needs floor spacers out there to make the most of what he can do. Of the 3 (Randle, Ingram and Zubac) I'd keep Ingram and Zubac and move Randle for a 3D 4 or at least a 4 who can be a consistent threat from 18 feet facing up. If Ingram and Zubac can get 15 to 17 apiece, Russell 15 or and facilitate you don't need a high scoring PF if the superstar we are seeking is a 25 ppg 2 guard.
I'm trying to see how we balance the young guys and with Zubac's emergence and drafting Ingram it isn't clear that they complement each other in our "front court" of the future.
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Landsberger wrote:I wasn't saying or wanting him to be a stretch 4. My line has been that Ingram and Randle do not both fit well next to Zubac in a future starting lineup scenario IMO. No one stretches the floor and/or opens the lane for Pick and Roll and any post work will always have the opposing PF in the paint when Randle is on the floor. If Zubac is a future center for us he needs floor spacers out there to make the most of what he can do. Of the 3 (Randle, Ingram and Zubac) I'd keep Ingram and Zubac and move Randle for a 3D 4 or at least a 4 who can be a consistent threat from 18 feet facing up. If Ingram and Zubac can get 15 to 17 apiece, Russell 15 or and facilitate you don't need a high scoring PF if the superstar we are seeking is a 25 ppg 2 guard.
I'm trying to see how we balance the young guys and with Zubac's emergence and drafting Ingram it isn't clear that they complement each other in our "front court" of the future.
Yeah, I hear ya. We have several players who look promising. Personally, I think the thing to do is to let Ingram do his thing...and see what he eventually develops into. He needs to bulk up a tad either way. A good number of SF's are in the 230-240 pound range these days too. I don't agree with one poster's assessment that Ingram can't create his shot. He's just gotta bulk up and the season won't wear him down. The guy's a rookie. I don't think it's time for definitive statements about his basketball talents yet.
Zubac looks promising....yet there is a ways for him to go as well. I'm really high on Zubac, but I would still caution making roster changes to build around him. He's gotta show more, first. All these guys do.
Ingram is gonna bulk up 50 or so pounds....or he's not. No amount of roster issues will sway that. I'm trying to picture this 'roided out 'robo-Ingram' and it's not working for me. But hey....we'll see.
Guy definitely needs to gain a good 20 pounds though. A little "meat" on those bones will help him withstand the physical season.
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danfantastk32 wrote:Landsberger wrote:I wasn't saying or wanting him to be a stretch 4. My line has been that Ingram and Randle do not both fit well next to Zubac in a future starting lineup scenario IMO. No one stretches the floor and/or opens the lane for Pick and Roll and any post work will always have the opposing PF in the paint when Randle is on the floor. If Zubac is a future center for us he needs floor spacers out there to make the most of what he can do. Of the 3 (Randle, Ingram and Zubac) I'd keep Ingram and Zubac and move Randle for a 3D 4 or at least a 4 who can be a consistent threat from 18 feet facing up. If Ingram and Zubac can get 15 to 17 apiece, Russell 15 or and facilitate you don't need a high scoring PF if the superstar we are seeking is a 25 ppg 2 guard.
I'm trying to see how we balance the young guys and with Zubac's emergence and drafting Ingram it isn't clear that they complement each other in our "front court" of the future.
Yeah, I hear ya. We have several players who look promising. Personally, I think the thing to do is to let Ingram do his thing...and see what he eventually develops into. He needs to bulk up a tad either way. A good number of SF's are in the 230-240 pound range these days too. I don't agree with one poster's assessment that Ingram can't create his shot. He's just gotta bulk up and the season won't wear him down. The guy's a rookie. I don't think it's time for definitive statements about his basketball talents yet.
Zubac looks promising....yet there is a ways for him to go as well. I'm really high on Zubac, but I would still caution making roster changes to build around him. He's gotta show more, first. All these guys do.
Ingram is gonna bulk up 50 or so pounds....or he's not. No amount of roster issues will sway that. I'm trying to picture this 'roided out 'robo-Ingram' and it's not working for me. But hey....we'll see.
Guy definitely needs to gain a good 20 pounds though. A little "meat" on those bones will help him withstand the physical season.
We are pretty much set at center. We have Moz with his big body even though many are frustrated with him. We have Black when we want to go small. We also have a high potential center in waiting, Zubac.
As for BI, he could go so many ways. That is his talent. I know he will gain muscles/weight but you have to let him gain that gradually on his pace, I think. You dont know how a sudden 20-50 pounds will impact his body and speed. I would love to see him gain 2 more inches though!!
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LakersSoul wrote:danfantastk32 wrote:Landsberger wrote:I wasn't saying or wanting him to be a stretch 4. My line has been that Ingram and Randle do not both fit well next to Zubac in a future starting lineup scenario IMO. No one stretches the floor and/or opens the lane for Pick and Roll and any post work will always have the opposing PF in the paint when Randle is on the floor. If Zubac is a future center for us he needs floor spacers out there to make the most of what he can do. Of the 3 (Randle, Ingram and Zubac) I'd keep Ingram and Zubac and move Randle for a 3D 4 or at least a 4 who can be a consistent threat from 18 feet facing up. If Ingram and Zubac can get 15 to 17 apiece, Russell 15 or and facilitate you don't need a high scoring PF if the superstar we are seeking is a 25 ppg 2 guard.
I'm trying to see how we balance the young guys and with Zubac's emergence and drafting Ingram it isn't clear that they complement each other in our "front court" of the future.
Yeah, I hear ya. We have several players who look promising. Personally, I think the thing to do is to let Ingram do his thing...and see what he eventually develops into. He needs to bulk up a tad either way. A good number of SF's are in the 230-240 pound range these days too. I don't agree with one poster's assessment that Ingram can't create his shot. He's just gotta bulk up and the season won't wear him down. The guy's a rookie. I don't think it's time for definitive statements about his basketball talents yet.
Zubac looks promising....yet there is a ways for him to go as well. I'm really high on Zubac, but I would still caution making roster changes to build around him. He's gotta show more, first. All these guys do.
Ingram is gonna bulk up 50 or so pounds....or he's not. No amount of roster issues will sway that. I'm trying to picture this 'roided out 'robo-Ingram' and it's not working for me. But hey....we'll see.
Guy definitely needs to gain a good 20 pounds though. A little "meat" on those bones will help him withstand the physical season.
We are pretty much set at center. We have Moz with his big body even though many are frustrated with him. We have Black when we want to go small. We also have a high potential center in waiting, Zubac.
As for BI, he could go so many ways. That is his talent. I know he will gain muscles/weight but you have to let him gain that gradually on his pace, I think. You dont know how a sudden 20-50 pounds will impact his body and speed. I would love to see him gain 2 more inches though!!
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crazyeights wrote:I don't get it. Ingram seems like the ideal wing. Why the rush to play him at the 4, especially with Randle and Nance currently part of the core with him?
I agree at this point Ingram is a wing player. I like him a lot at SF. Give me ten years and I might actually move him to PF. By that time maybe he won't be quick enough to cover smaller SF but maybe his body is strong enough to hold up against other PFs, plus he might still have the speed advantage over them.
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I think they are trying him at PF and contemplating trading Randle. Why else do you do it? This team is not well balanced when he and Randle are on the floor at the same time. You are not going to win many games when the 3 and 4 positions cannot score facing up from 18 feet consistently. Right now if our 3 of our 4 guards have a good game we are close.... if only 2 of them do we're done. You can't only get consistent scoring from your guards. In reality only Young and Williams are consistent in THAT group. We need a lead scorer on the team to get up a level. It's obvious that we don't have one in the younger guys and if we take Williams and Young it's going to get even worse.
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Nice night, as far as the draft spot goes for us. Several of the lower teams got good wins.
Would really like to see us lose the next 2 games, but I have a feeling we won't. Really gonna be disappointed with the FO if we end up losing this pick. The topic started when we were a game shy of half-way. Now we're at 58 games, and only a few additional wins. It aughta be CRYSTAL clear what our best option is at this point. Why we're allowing Lou and Young to shoot us to victory is completely beyond me. Pure stupidity.
Not gonna lie: We have some easy games coming up....and alot of home games. If we just stand pat, and play business as usual we're prob gonna screw this up.
Would really like to see us lose the next 2 games, but I have a feeling we won't. Really gonna be disappointed with the FO if we end up losing this pick. The topic started when we were a game shy of half-way. Now we're at 58 games, and only a few additional wins. It aughta be CRYSTAL clear what our best option is at this point. Why we're allowing Lou and Young to shoot us to victory is completely beyond me. Pure stupidity.
Not gonna lie: We have some easy games coming up....and alot of home games. If we just stand pat, and play business as usual we're prob gonna screw this up.