Woj/ESPN: lakers talked with sac, out of running due to refusing to add Ingram

[LAKESHOW]

FYI

That drama was on keen and growing display the past two weeks, sources say. One source close to the situation said Kupchak and Jeanie Buss had not spoken since Nov. 1, despite her role as president of basketball operations and the power that gave her to fire Kupchak, and that her brother had resorted to communicating with his sister only through lawyers. The same source said Jeanie never was informed of a potential DeMarcus Cousins trade over the weekend and described a chaotic scene in which Jim Buss insisted low-level basketball officials “vote” on the proposed deal while Jeanie and Magic were left in the dark.
“This is a perfect exempt of what needs to change,” the source said.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/hiring-magic-is-great-for-the-lakers-if-they-hire-a-real-gm-to-help-make-decisions/

im glad Jeanie is finally taking control of the situation. she gave them 2 enough rope. and now they've hung themselves with it. let magic take it from here. ive seen enough of jimmy

[milesfides]

I definitely would have rolled the dice on DeMarcus Cousins.

Definitely has attitude problems, but he has elite talent. You always go with talent.

KG was also hard to play with, so was Kobe, so was MJ. That's why you get a good coach, that's why Phil Jackson was a successful coach.

The Carmelo and other comparisons aren't really appropriate... they're not as dominant at their position as Demarcus is, and attitude-wise, Cousins is a different type of personality disorder.

He's passionate about the game. That kind of attitude problem I prefer to not caring enough.

Russell Westbrook is kind of the same way. There's a nastiness to these players. It's intimidating. He made Nick Stauskas cry? So what. MJ punched Kerr, Kobe fought teammates, Ron Artest fought everybody.

Golden State needs aholes like Draymond Green to win championships. Don't get it twisted.

DeMarcus just needs a better team and a better coach. When he played on the olympic team, he fit in, and all his teammates and coaches loved him. Not a problem player, only a problem player when his team sucks. Which is what you want.

I'd rather have Demarcus than Paul George. Because Demarcus cannot handle losing well.

I think he's going to have a good time in New Orleans, and we missed a chance to get an elite talent.

It's a mistake, because elite players win championships, and Cousins is elite.

[Michael Lucky]

I definitely would have rolled the dice on DeMarcus Cousins.

Definitely has attitude problems, but he has elite talent. You always go with talent.

KG was also hard to play with, so was Kobe, so was MJ. That's why you get a good coach, that's why Phil Jackson was a successful coach.

The Carmelo and other comparisons aren't really appropriate... they're not as dominant at their position as Demarcus is, and attitude-wise, Cousins is a different type of personality disorder.

He's passionate about the game. That kind of attitude problem I prefer to not caring enough.

Russell Westbrook is kind of the same way. There's a nastiness to these players. It's intimidating. He made Nick Stauskas cry? So what. MJ punched Kerr, Kobe fought teammates, Ron Artest fought everybody.

Golden State needs aholes like Draymond Green to win championships. Don't get it twisted.

DeMarcus just needs a better team and a better coach. When he played on the olympic team, he fit in, and all his teammates and coaches loved him. Not a problem player, only a problem player when his team sucks. Which is what you want.

I'd rather have Demarcus than Paul George. Because Demarcus cannot handle losing well.

I think he's going to have a good time in New Orleans, and we missed a chance to get an elite talent.

It's a mistake, because elite players win championships, and Cousins is elite.

Elite players don't win chapionships on their own. There's no way we would have been able to ship back Mozgov or Deng on their ridiculous contracts for Cousins, and there's also no way in hell we should have traded our entire young core to make that happen when the market dedicated such a low return for him. You expect us to win a championship with Cousins, Deng, Mozgov, + filler with no cap room?

[Dr Aki]

players weren't lining up to play with cousins in sacramento, why would they line up to play with him here?

considering the cap hit cousins would, unless we were sending deng/mozgov, we wouldn't have had sufficient cap room for a max-sih player without letting black, young AND lou go, of which you most definitely bet they were in the trade (since they had the most cap friendly contracts)

this team wouldn't have made playoffs, lost the top #3 pick, no easy way to improve, and cousins would've bolted the summer after.

cousins just didn't fit our timeline, unless we were able to swing another blockbuster move (i.e. jimmy butler, paul george) at the same time to change that timeline

[milesfides]

You're making assumptions on who was included in the deal. So far, what's only reasonably clear is that Ingram was the linchpin.

[Dr Aki]

You're making assumptions on who was included in the deal. So far, what's only reasonably clear is that Ingram was the linchpin.

ingram makes 5.3 mil, cousins makes 15.7 mil

there needed to be salary to balance it out, calderon is the most obvious candidate

young makes 5.4 mil, just enough to balance a trade (outgoing salary + 5 mil for non-tax paying teams)
black makes 6.2 mil
lou makes 7.0 mil, most likely probably since sacramento would dump him for an additional 1st

ignoring sacramento wanting to salary dump (in the absence of picks, they most definitely would want to), we send one of them out, leaving us with $89-$91 mil on the cap next season, with the salary set at $102 mil, $11-$13 mil cap space probably isn't gonna get it done for a max-ish FA (hayward), assuming we're able to dump lou, that's only $18-20 mil in space

[crazyeights]

Ingram wasn't a lynchpin he was a nonstarter.

[Edrees]

In my opinion, you don't trade Ingram if you don't think your head coach can handle Cousins. I feel Walton as head coach played a big role in not getting one of the best players in the league here.

I think we would have pulled the trigger if we didn't have to give up 1sts. There's no way we don't do it if it's just Ingram and Lou for Cousins.

[LAKESHOW]

We have to start somewhere. A baseline. We can't just scrap everyone and start all over again. We've been doing that repeatedly with Jimmy's 3 year plan. I think Ingram is a solid start. He's a shooter, which is valuable in this league. Lengthy. Young. Long-term contract with the organization. We begin with him. Build from there. Adding cousins and Ingram is a Solid inside out combo. But not one without the other. No way. Cousins is out in that scenario. imo.

[Asianiac_24]

Why would Cousins resign with us? If he bolts we are heavily screwed again. Just look at the top teams like GSW right now, if Cousins is really about winning, he would bolt as soon as he can. We don't have a Kobe Bryant nearing the end of his prime right now for us to make such a bold move, just stay patient.

[Princeinrevolt]

Wow so many things have changed since this trade... And this trade was only yesterday... What is Life?

[Spens1]

If this was just Ingram for DMC we should have done it of course IF he guaranteed he's staying.

If not then we just gave up our future franchise/2nd option for free.

[Danny Darko]

I'm so angry about this, I demand they fire Jim and Mitch.