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Re: Season Opener Hot Takes 

Post#41 » by Penberthy » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:12 am

At this point I would seriously consider picking up Metta or Barnes just to give these young guys some balls. I feel like even just knowing those guys are on their bench would give them confidence not to let someone push them around. Someone acts like Beverly or Griffin, let them come in for 5 minutes and deliver a couple clothes lines.
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Re: Season Opener Hot Takes 

Post#42 » by Laker_Kid » Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:05 pm

no kneejerk hot takes for lonzo’s game 2 performance?
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Re: Season Opener Hot Takes 

Post#43 » by xSABOx » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:08 pm

Laker_Kid wrote:no kneejerk hot takes for lonzo’s game 2 performance?

Love that fact that he’ll keep shooting and doestnt get scared... just takes what defense gives him.. but he needs to figure out a go to move when he’s going in for a layup on a player defending him right... there was at least 5 times he just tried some random shot that had no hope... once he develops that, watch it...
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Re: Season Opener Hot Takes 

Post#44 » by Kilroy » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:26 pm

xSABOx wrote:Modern nba is simple, you must be a threat from 3 to have an impact at all times while on the floor offensively... amazes me that Randle never developed a shot from outside instead of focusing on the mid range jumper...

Lonzo better show some ability to finish over bits and hit the 3 or he’s gonna be Rubio’d all season...

Hate to say it because it’s still early but did we trade the wrong #2 pick? Russell has shown much more potential than Ingram offensively... he better learn how to finish strong and not fall in love with the mid range pull-up... or else he needs to be benched for Kuzma...

If Deng/Brewer/Bogut/Caruso/Ennis are being relied upon in our 10 man rotation, it’s gonna be a long season... just play the young guns and roll with it man...

Like has looked a little lost so far... his rotations are weird, he combines weird lineups and his offense that he’s running worked on a team with at least 4 3pt threats on the floor at all time... we barely have 2...


This is may be the biggest myth in the NBA right now...
We just played a team with Blake Griffin on it... Nobody looks more awkward shooting a 3 than him and he's been in the league for years and is just now hitting them...
Defenses are perfectly fine letting the top 4s in the league take 3s, unless KD and LeBron are playing the 4... Anthony Davis never shoots 3s and can't hit them when he does... And he's the best pure 4 in the game...

Randle can hit the 3 now, and yes he should work on doing it more often, but his reluctance to shoot the three does not automatically make him irrelevant in the 'modern nba'... Again, look at who the top 4s in the West are... You're not going to find a whole lot of knock down jump shooters on that list.
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Re: Season Opener Hot Takes 

Post#45 » by xSABOx » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:40 pm

Kilroy wrote:
This is may be the biggest myth in the NBA right now...
We just played a team with Blake Griffin on it... Nobody looks more awkward shooting a 3 than him and he's been in the league for years and is just now hitting them...
Defenses are perfectly fine letting the top 4s in the league take 3s, unless KD and LeBron are playing the 4... Anthony Davis never shoots 3s and can't hit them when he does... And he's the best pure 4 in the game...

Randle can hit the 3 now, and yes he should work on doing it more often, but his reluctance to shoot the three does not automatically make him irrelevant in the 'modern nba'... Again, look at who the top 4s in the West are... You're not going to find a whole lot of knock down jump shooters on that list.


AD
Griffin
Draymond
Love
Millsap
KP
LMA

The top 7 PF are all threats from the 3 expect LMA... on top of that yhose guys possess skills that randle doesn’t but they’ve all evolved to the point that they cant be left open from three... makes the defense have to guard them all the way out there and it opens up the offense...

Randle doesn’t shoot from out there because he can’t make it from out there... Which means I’m just gonna sag off him... wait for him to try his bully ball down low, without ever looking to pass, while mainly only going left... a lot like David Lee, who was phased out of the league as a starter...

The best offenses have 4 threats from the outside... randle can only be played as an undersized center until he proves he can hit the 3... which I think Luke has finally realized...
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Re: Season Opener Hot Takes 

Post#46 » by Kilroy » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:16 pm

xSABOx wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
This is may be the biggest myth in the NBA right now...
We just played a team with Blake Griffin on it... Nobody looks more awkward shooting a 3 than him and he's been in the league for years and is just now hitting them...
Defenses are perfectly fine letting the top 4s in the league take 3s, unless KD and LeBron are playing the 4... Anthony Davis never shoots 3s and can't hit them when he does... And he's the best pure 4 in the game...

Randle can hit the 3 now, and yes he should work on doing it more often, but his reluctance to shoot the three does not automatically make him irrelevant in the 'modern nba'... Again, look at who the top 4s in the West are... You're not going to find a whole lot of knock down jump shooters on that list.


AD
Griffin
Draymond
Love
Millsap
KP
LMA

The top 7 PF are all threats from the 3 expect LMA... on top of that yhose guys possess skills that randle doesn’t but they’ve all evolved to the point that they cant be left open from three... makes the defense have to guard them all the way out there and it opens up the offense...

Randle doesn’t shoot from out there because he can’t make it from out there... Which means I’m just gonna sag off him... wait for him to try his bully ball down low, without ever looking to pass, while mainly only going left... a lot like David Lee, who was phased out of the league as a starter...

The best offenses have 4 threats from the outside... randle can only be played as an undersized center until he proves he can hit the 3... which I think Luke has finally realized...


I focused on the West because that was who we'll be competing against for a playoff spot somewhere in the future... And I'm not sure which list has Paul Milsap as a top 4 in the NBA right now... But OK.

I think you need to take a look at ADs numbers again... He's essentially no threat from 3. Griffin is a 30% shooter from 3 and averages less than 1 a game. LMA is even worse and tries fewer... Milsap didn't really start shooting 3s until his 8th NBA season, and he's essentially a 30% shooter from 3 also...

Randle is basically on-par from 3 with those guys and there's no reason to think he won't be as good a 3pt shooter in time, because that bar is pretty low in reality.

Green takes more but he's still only a 30% shooter from 3. KP takes about as many as green and has a slightly better average at 34-35%... But still that's stretching the 'threat' label a little...

Love at his best was only slightly better than KP and green... He hasn't been taking as many 3s lately though and his average is still around 36%...

Point being... A PF who's a 'Threat' from 3 is still not much of a threat, even in 'the modern NBA'... Statistically, you still don't want your 4s and 5s taking those shots. So even in 'the modern NBA' the idea that Randle sucks because he doesn't take or make many 3s is way over-blown.
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Re: Season Opener Hot Takes 

Post#47 » by xSABOx » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:44 pm

Kilroy wrote:I focused on the West because that was who we'll be competing against for a playoff spot somewhere in the future... And I'm not sure which list has Paul Milsap as a top 4 in the NBA right now... But OK.

I think you need to take a look at ADs numbers again... He's essentially no threat from 3. Griffin is a 30% shooter from 3 and averages less than 1 a game. LMA is even worse and tries fewer... Milsap didn't really start shooting 3s until his 8th NBA season, and he's essentially a 30% shooter from 3 also...

Randle is basically on-par from 3 with those guys and there's no reason to think he won't be as good a 3pt shooter in time, because that bar is pretty low in reality.

Green takes more but he's still only a 30% shooter from 3. KP takes about as many as green and has a slightly better average at 34-35%... But still that's stretching the 'threat' label a little...

Love at his best was only slightly better than KP and green... He hasn't been taking as many 3s lately though and his average is still around 36%...

Point being... A PF who's a 'Threat' from 3 is still not much of a threat, even in 'the modern NBA'... Statistically, you still don't want your 4s and 5s taking those shots. So even in 'the modern NBA' the idea that Randle sucks because he doesn't take or make many 3s is way over-blown.


Again, those guys who shoot 30% from three have the defense fully extended out there to guard them... which makes them a threat and opens up the offense for their teammates... they all took at least 2 attempts a game and so far this season, granted its veryy early, have all been MUCH more aggressive from out there... Julius on the other hand has only attempted 1...

I never said Randle sucks because he doesn't take or make many 3's.. I just said it amazes me that he put all his focus on trying to develop the mid range jumper instead of the three ball...

Looks like you've been on a defense mode for Randle, which I get... but you must admit his development after 4 years is anything less than a disappointment... to the point that we're a better team with Larry Nance or Kyle Kuzma playing the 4 instead of him...
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Re: Season Opener Hot Takes 

Post#48 » by Kilroy » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:11 pm

xSABOx wrote:
Kilroy wrote:I focused on the West because that was who we'll be competing against for a playoff spot somewhere in the future... And I'm not sure which list has Paul Milsap as a top 4 in the NBA right now... But OK.

I think you need to take a look at ADs numbers again... He's essentially no threat from 3. Griffin is a 30% shooter from 3 and averages less than 1 a game. LMA is even worse and tries fewer... Milsap didn't really start shooting 3s until his 8th NBA season, and he's essentially a 30% shooter from 3 also...

Randle is basically on-par from 3 with those guys and there's no reason to think he won't be as good a 3pt shooter in time, because that bar is pretty low in reality.

Green takes more but he's still only a 30% shooter from 3. KP takes about as many as green and has a slightly better average at 34-35%... But still that's stretching the 'threat' label a little...

Love at his best was only slightly better than KP and green... He hasn't been taking as many 3s lately though and his average is still around 36%...

Point being... A PF who's a 'Threat' from 3 is still not much of a threat, even in 'the modern NBA'... Statistically, you still don't want your 4s and 5s taking those shots. So even in 'the modern NBA' the idea that Randle sucks because he doesn't take or make many 3s is way over-blown.


Again, those guys who shoot 30% from three have the defense fully extended out there to guard them... which makes them a threat and opens up the offense for their teammates... they all took at least 2 attempts a game and so far this season, granted its veryy early, have all been MUCH more aggressive from out there... Julius on the other hand has only attempted 1...

I never said Randle sucks because he doesn't take or make many 3's.. I just said it amazes me that he put all his focus on trying to develop the mid range jumper instead of the three ball...

Looks like you've been on a defense mode for Randle, which I get... but you must admit his development after 4 years is anything less than a disappointment... to the point that we're a better team with Larry Nance or Kyle Kuzma playing the 4 instead of him...


I'll argue points with you as long as you make them... I'm not going to bother if you take the intellectual short cut of trying to paint me as nothing more than a Randle apologist... Something I've never been. My stance on him has always been he's getting a ridiculous bad rap from fans based on spurious perceived failings... (NO RIGHT HAND... Yeah bro, he's left handed. etc...)

I'm not disappointed in his development... And it was 3 not 4 years, he was pretty much restricted from Basketball activities his entire rookie season... He's worked on his right hand and is using it in games now... People forget that Randle didn't have a good mid range game either... I think it's reasonable for him to work on that before the 3, and he has... It's looking a lot better this season... They said conditioning was an issue for him, he's clearly cut weight and is in better shape... He's quicker and more explosive now too... I also think he needs to get a little bit of a break because I'm not sure he's played with the same lineup for more than 20 games in a row his entire career... He's been in and out of the starting lineup, he's had his team mates shuffled around... He's played multiple positions and various roles... He hasn't always done a good job with that and doesn't look like he's doing a good job with it now, but I think it's fair to factor it in when we're accusing him of lack of development.
Hard to develop into your role when you don't have a set role. I think he's had to sacrifice a lot of his stability to help other guys like Russell and Ingram develop, and now it's Ball and Kuzma.

AD, Griffin, and LMA don't stretch any defenses to the 3pt line... Not smart Defenses... Milsap may get hot once in a great while and spread the floor, but mostly he gets the occasional wide open 3 and buries it less than 1 out of 3 times... Greens a slightly better version of Milsap, but of everyone in the SL for GSW Defenses will give Green thees all night. So his floor stretching ability is questionable at best...
Love and KP can stretch the floor... But the main reason for that is they're legit 7'ers and can shoot over guys... So Defenses have to pull they're own 7'ers out to defend them... They're completely different players than Randle... Randle at 6'9" can be defended on Jumpers by everyone from probably big 2s to 5s... Jumpers eliminate his strength as a factor. Griffin, Milsap and Green are the same... They will never be able to stretch the floor like KP and Love.
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