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Re: Magelinka looked at over 870 scenarios 

Post#21 » by Rosque » Fri Feb 9, 2018 5:25 pm

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dockingsched wrote:This is probably a good time to remind people that realgm licenses a proprietary version of the trade checker to nba teams that lists all possible trade scenarios that meet any parameters they desire.


You gotta be kidding me? So Magic can just input 'ye gimme 67 mil and cap space but leave Zo, Ingram and Kuzma alone' and boop it just gives him all the possible scenarios?


These are billion dollar organizations... If they didn't get it from RealGM, you can be assured they'd get it from somewhere or hire the people to make it themselves.
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Post#22 » by The Laker Kid » Fri Feb 9, 2018 9:00 pm

Saru wrote:I wonder how many scenarios jim/mitch looked at.


A couple scenarios.

1. Jim hires a bartender as a scout and plays beer pong with him.
2. Jim gets kicked out of the team, taking Kupcake with him.
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Post#23 » by Kalidogg24 » Fri Feb 9, 2018 9:12 pm

TylersLakers wrote:I'll eat some crow about yesterday.

It was well known I had 0 faith in Earvin & Pelinka. I won't start calling Earvin by his nickname yet, but I will eat some crow and praise them for the job they did yesterday.

I thought they would panic and trade Randle for a couple second round picks because I honestly thought in their minds they thought Nance was a better player than Randle when it's very clear he wasn't.

Great trade. The future looks bright with Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, Randle and 60 million in cap space.



Oh you damn well need to give the GOAT respect and to call him Magic at all times! :lol:

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Re: Magelinka looked at over 870 scenarios 

Post#24 » by Sushisensei26 » Fri Feb 9, 2018 9:19 pm

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wafer88 wrote:IF, and it's a huge IF, but if the 2018-2019 cap plan ends as a success (atleast one max level player is a success to me, 2 max level players is beyond success), but IF this happens, magic and Rob creep up in the elite tier FO's in this league...We are talking about a short list that includes GSW, SA, and probably Bos, OKC, Miami and Houston. Combining that with the Laker brand, the LA market, and our scouting department is a recipe for a potential dynasty.

You are right. It’s all about not biting on the pump fake free agents. Like Deng and Moz. Patience and staying the course.

I forget which former GM was saying this but he said that the single biggest asset you have to have is restraint. That its easy to get addicted to saying yes. That you have to know when to say no and wait for the next opportunity. That's what separates the really good GMs from everyone else.
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Post#25 » by TylersLakers » Fri Feb 9, 2018 9:43 pm

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TylersLakers wrote:I'll eat some crow about yesterday.

It was well known I had 0 faith in Earvin & Pelinka. I won't start calling Earvin by his nickname yet, but I will eat some crow and praise them for the job they did yesterday.

I thought they would panic and trade Randle for a couple second round picks because I honestly thought in their minds they thought Nance was a better player than Randle when it's very clear he wasn't.

Great trade. The future looks bright with Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, Randle and 60 million in cap space.



Oh you damn well need to give the GOAT respect and to call him Magic at all times! :lol:



I'm 28 years old unfortunately, and my lifetime as a Laker fan has been since 2003. As far as Earvin is concerned, I know him as an idiot on social media, awful on NBA Countdown and many hundreds of hours of video tapes and YouTube clips that I've seen of him on TV and Hardwood Classics.

I certainly understand where he stands as far as an NBA player and how universally respected he is.

But as far as how I know him, it's not how others know him. I wish I was alive during those times, I really do. I hate the fact that someday my kids will come up to me and ask me who Kobe Bryant, Michael Vick and Tom Brady were. I wish I could have seen it with my own eyes.

I'm judging Earvin Johnson on how he is as a front office executive. And he was chosen without an exhaustive search to see if he was the most qualified candidate for the job. So naturally, when he was hired, I was excited because I feel like he cares more about the job than Jim Buss did. However, how he plans on building this team has always been concerning to me.
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Post#26 » by stan francisco » Fri Feb 9, 2018 10:28 pm

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Me, too. I had hoped and thought Rob would take this turn every stone kind of approach. So far, no mistakes made. That's an A in my book.
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Post#27 » by Kalidogg24 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:56 am

TylersLakers wrote:
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TylersLakers wrote:I'll eat some crow about yesterday.

It was well known I had 0 faith in Earvin & Pelinka. I won't start calling Earvin by his nickname yet, but I will eat some crow and praise them for the job they did yesterday.

I thought they would panic and trade Randle for a couple second round picks because I honestly thought in their minds they thought Nance was a better player than Randle when it's very clear he wasn't.

Great trade. The future looks bright with Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, Randle and 60 million in cap space.



Oh you damn well need to give the GOAT respect and to call him Magic at all times! :lol:



I'm 28 years old unfortunately, and my lifetime as a Laker fan has been since 2003. As far as Earvin is concerned, I know him as an idiot on social media, awful on NBA Countdown and many hundreds of hours of video tapes and YouTube clips that I've seen of him on TV and Hardwood Classics.

I certainly understand where he stands as far as an NBA player and how universally respected he is.

But as far as how I know him, it's not how others know him. I wish I was alive during those times, I really do. I hate the fact that someday my kids will come up to me and ask me who Kobe Bryant, Michael Vick and Tom Brady were. I wish I could have seen it with my own eyes.

I'm judging Earvin Johnson on how he is as a front office executive. And he was chosen without an exhaustive search to see if he was the most qualified candidate for the job. So naturally, when he was hired, I was excited because I feel like he cares more about the job than Jim Buss did. However, how he plans on building this team has always been concerning to me.



I’m only 7 years older but I certainly watched a lot of Magic as a young pup. The level of disrespect for my childhood idol was too high where I couldn’t have let It go lol. It’s all good though. I meant it all in good fun. :beer:

As far as him being an Executive this is just the beginning.
This story is far from finished.

I think he will eventually dominate this executive game just like he did when he won 5 Championships. :D
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Post#28 » by TylersLakers » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:05 am

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Oh you damn well need to give the GOAT respect and to call him Magic at all times! :lol:



I'm 28 years old unfortunately, and my lifetime as a Laker fan has been since 2003. As far as Earvin is concerned, I know him as an idiot on social media, awful on NBA Countdown and many hundreds of hours of video tapes and YouTube clips that I've seen of him on TV and Hardwood Classics.

I certainly understand where he stands as far as an NBA player and how universally respected he is.

But as far as how I know him, it's not how others know him. I wish I was alive during those times, I really do. I hate the fact that someday my kids will come up to me and ask me who Kobe Bryant, Michael Vick and Tom Brady were. I wish I could have seen it with my own eyes.

I'm judging Earvin Johnson on how he is as a front office executive. And he was chosen without an exhaustive search to see if he was the most qualified candidate for the job. So naturally, when he was hired, I was excited because I feel like he cares more about the job than Jim Buss did. However, how he plans on building this team has always been concerning to me.



I’m only 7 years older but I certainly watched a lot of Magic as a young pup. The level of disrespect for my childhood idol was too high where I couldn’t have let It go lol. It’s all good though. I meant it all in good fun. :beer:

As far as him being an Executive this is just the beginning.
This story is far from finished.

I think he will eventually dominate this executive game just like he did when he won 5 Championships. :D


I wish I could feel the same way, man. I really do.
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Post#29 » by MadNESS » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:30 am

I will say I think Magic and Rob know exactly what’s coming. They had a plan since day one, and stuck to it. I bet we dump Deng in the summer too.

We will probably get some crazy combo of free agents that we don’t even know about lol.

These guys know what’s up.
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Post#30 » by stan francisco » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:45 am

Cool as cucumbers but ready to strike when the right moment comes. Then back to operating quietly again. Mamba like.

Quietly, Magic.

Lol at 870 scenarios. No wonder Magic hides away from the office at times.
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Post#31 » by DEEP3CL » Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:16 pm

TylersLakers wrote:I'll eat some crow about yesterday.

It was well known I had 0 faith in Earvin & Pelinka. I won't start calling Earvin by his nickname yet, but I will eat some crow and praise them for the job they did yesterday.

I thought they would panic and trade Randle for a couple second round picks because I honestly thought in their minds they thought Nance was a better player than Randle when it's very clear he wasn't.

Great trade. The future looks bright with Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, Randle and 60 million in cap space.
Sorry to say it but what I'm reading here shows me you go way too deep in trying to analyze what you think they might do. It's one of the reasons I don't post in "trade scenario" threads...none of us can correctly predict that. NBA business is too complicated for most to understand.

I never got an impression that Magic or Rob thought Nance was better than Julius or them thinking anybody held an advantage over the other. The only 2 guys we know they valued more than anyone else on the roster was Brandon and Zo.
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Post#32 » by Sedale Threatt » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:49 pm

TylersLakers wrote:I'm 28 years old unfortunately, and my lifetime as a Laker fan has been since 2003. As far as Earvin is concerned, I know him as an idiot on social media, awful on NBA Countdown and many hundreds of hours of video tapes and YouTube clips that I've seen of him on TV and Hardwood Classics.

I certainly understand where he stands as far as an NBA player and how universally respected he is.

But as far as how I know him, it's not how others know him. I wish I was alive during those times, I really do. I hate the fact that someday my kids will come up to me and ask me who Kobe Bryant, Michael Vick and Tom Brady were. I wish I could have seen it with my own eyes.

I'm judging Earvin Johnson on how he is as a front office executive. And he was chosen without an exhaustive search to see if he was the most qualified candidate for the job. So naturally, when he was hired, I was excited because I feel like he cares more about the job than Jim Buss did. However, how he plans on building this team has always been concerning to me.


Tyler, I love you man, but the fact that you never saw Magic play doesn't mean you still shouldn't treat arguably the greatest player to ever wear our uniform with the utmost respect. Anything he says on Twitter or does as our general manager doesn't have anything to do with the fact that he is Lakers royalty, a king among kings and one of the very best basketball players to ever step on an NBA court. His legacy with our franchise is already set in granite. The Lakers wouldn't be half what they are without him.

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Post#33 » by Landsberger » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:00 pm

So... they looked at 870 possibilities.... how many were actually actionable? You might have a great trade in your mind but if no one answers the phone...

My guess is that closer to the deadline they were probably at 4 or less real possibilities.

The trade has opened up the possibility that they wanted and the team's strength this year is about the same so it's a good trade. It can be a great one if we get the guys this summer or next. If we can't then it could be a wash or worse. If we lose Lopez and IT and don't get a max guy then we will be left with one year targets and the guys left over. We probably lose Randle as well because if we re-sign him we probably don't have 2 slots next summer. It seems we've put a lot on this summer.
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Post#34 » by Pointgod » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:33 pm

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TylersLakers wrote:I'll eat some crow about yesterday.

It was well known I had 0 faith in Earvin & Pelinka. I won't start calling Earvin by his nickname yet, but I will eat some crow and praise them for the job they did yesterday.

I thought they would panic and trade Randle for a couple second round picks because I honestly thought in their minds they thought Nance was a better player than Randle when it's very clear he wasn't.

Great trade. The future looks bright with Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, Randle and 60 million in cap space.



Randle isn’t part of our core. It’s Ingram, Zo, Kuzma, and Hart. Hell even Rob mentioned Bryant as well.

Randle is here because we couldn’t get a 1st for him and he’s playing well. He’ll either sign the QO, we’ll sign and trade him, and or he’ll walk. We will have to renounce him in order to get two max slots.


Yeah, but we're not going to let him walk unless we get LeBron and Paul George.

My prediction is he signs a 4 year deal, starting somewhere between 9-10M per season. The Lakers understand what the market is going to be in the summer and that's why he's here. In an off-season where cap space is going to be very limited league wide, that will be the best offer he can get.


I think it's a huge misconception to think we're in the drivers seat with Randle. He's a free agent and he can sign with any team with the cap room to make him an offer. I see Dallas willing to throw a near max at him, Atlanta, Bulls, Nets could also be players. LeBron is notorious for taking his time during free agency so we face a situation where he walks for nothing or he screws up our cap situation. Unless he really wants to remain a Laker. This is why we should have traded him this season. If we couldn't get a low first rounder then some type of asset with a lower cap hold.
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Post#35 » by Coach Chris » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:27 pm

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Randle isn’t part of our core. It’s Ingram, Zo, Kuzma, and Hart. Hell even Rob mentioned Bryant as well.

Randle is here because we couldn’t get a 1st for him and he’s playing well. He’ll either sign the QO, we’ll sign and trade him, and or he’ll walk. We will have to renounce him in order to get two max slots.


Yeah, but we're not going to let him walk unless we get LeBron and Paul George.

My prediction is he signs a 4 year deal, starting somewhere between 9-10M per season. The Lakers understand what the market is going to be in the summer and that's why he's here. In an off-season where cap space is going to be very limited league wide, that will be the best offer he can get.


I don’t see Rob tying up our books for the next four years for Randle. Clearly the FO would’ve loved to move him yesterday but no one would offer a 1st.

If we don’t sign max free agents and or just one this summer, I fully expect us to offer the QO to Randle and call it a summer. That will keep us flexible for 2019. As for Randle, that will postpone his payday from whatever team would like him. Just don’t see Rob tying up our books although his price may be low In this market.

Of course.. none of this would be a problem if it wasn’t for that Deng deal. We have to find a way to get rid of it completely. If we can sign and trade Randle while getting a pick back and expiring contract plus a pick.. that would be huge. Could move picks and Deng then.



It wouldn’t postpone anything. Randle could sign an offer sheet and if our FO is dumb enough not to match, Randle plays for another team. Enjoy Kuzma’s no defense game getting pushed around by the opponents. It would be a big step backwards. And doubtful that a team that can just sign Julius would instead want to give up a pick and ending contract for him.
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Post#36 » by stan francisco » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:08 pm

With Nance gone, Pelagic knows how important Randle's physical play is. He'll be re-signed.

Because if not, we Charmin soft up front without LNJ.
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