Shams: Lonzo Ball has a torn meniscus in left knee

[hype_2004]

If they essentially jettisoned Randle because of hard negotiations in good faith by his agent... Wonder what they think about Lavar going completely rogue and putting company business in the streets.

I think Lebron knows this and is having his input on future moves, I don't think Lebron can put up with Lavar Balls antics.

[Vae Victus]

If they essentially jettisoned Randle because of hard negotiations in good faith by his agent... Wonder what they think about Lavar going completely rogue and putting company business in the streets.

I honestly think we lost Randle cuz we needed money to sign Rondo to send a message to Lonzo (well mostly Lavar). If the plan was to sign Rondo from the start to push Lonzo, i think we would have aggressively went after him with the Room Exception (instead of rushing out to pay Lance). Then after we force Randle to sign the QO, to be our big min smallball 5, we'd use the leftover 7mil to sign someone like Rondo if he's insistant on not taking the Room Exception. Rushing out to sign Lance for 4.4m honestly makes no sense whatsoever, except that the Lakers didnt think theyd badly need Rondo until Lavar forced our hand.

Instead, the timing of the leak screwed everything up an gave Rondo and his agent enough leverage to extract a deal that pays a bit more than the non tax MLE thereby forcing us to renounce Randle instead of sneakily keeping him for the QO.

So, if you’re saying that this leak messed up a significant part of their FA plans this offseason. And we’re hearing reports that some in the FO believe Lonzo’s camp leaked the reports.

Then that doesn’t bode well for Lonzo.

As mad as the FO and Lebron is at Lonzo/Lavar, trading him right now would be the ABSOLUTE worst move we can make as we're trading him while his value is at its utter lowest due to the perception that his lack of shooting makes him utterly worthless. People can argue otherwise but other GMs will latch onto that perception and try to declare that he's a negative asset, to try to rip us off.

It'd be similar to us, if we traded Ingram last year after his own UTTERLY disastrous rookie campaign. His value was also in the toilet, but after a nice solid season flashing his potential, now he's considered a centerpiece (people still trying to slam him at this point, everyone clearly know they have an agenda) in whatever future potential trade for Kawhi.

Lakers will prolly look to trade Lonzo next year after he hopefully turns in an Ingram-esque bounce back season. Depending on the market and whether Lavar shuts the **** up, will determine if Lonzo will stay a Laker.

[hype_2004]

I honestly think we lost Randle cuz we needed money to sign Rondo to send a message to Lonzo (well mostly Lavar). If the plan was to sign Rondo from the start to push Lonzo, i think we would have aggressively went after him with the Room Exception (instead of rushing out to pay Lance). Then after we force Randle to sign the QO, to be our big min smallball 5, we'd use the leftover 7mil to sign someone like Rondo if he's insistant on not taking the Room Exception. Rushing out to sign Lance for 4.4m honestly makes no sense whatsoever, except that the Lakers didnt think theyd badly need Rondo until Lavar forced our hand.

Instead, the timing of the leak screwed everything up an gave Rondo and his agent enough leverage to extract a deal that pays a bit more than the non tax MLE thereby forcing us to renounce Randle instead of sneakily keeping him for the QO.

So, if you’re saying that this leak messed up a significant part of their FA plans this offseason. And we’re hearing reports that some in the FO believe Lonzo’s camp leaked the reports.

Then that doesn’t bode well for Lonzo.

As mad as the FO and Lebron is at Lonzo/Lavar, trading him right now would be the ABSOLUTE worst move we can make as we're trading him while his value is at its utter lowest due to the perception that his lack of shooting makes him utterly worthless. People can argue otherwise but other GMs will latch onto that perception and try to declare that he's a negative asset, to try to rip us off.

It'd be similar to us, if we traded Ingram last year after his own UTTERLY disastrous rookie campaign. His value was also in the toilet, but after a nice solid season flashing his potential, now he's considered a centerpiece (people still trying to slam him at this point, everyone clearly know they have an agenda) in whatever future potential trade for Kawhi.

Lakers will prolly look to trade Lonzo next year after he hopefully turns in an Ingram-esque bounce back season. Depending on the market and whether Lavar shuts the **** up, will determine if Lonzo will stay a Laker.

Sit his ass down for a year and get him away from the team, this guy will be a distraction until things gets sorted out for a potential trade partner. Make him rehab his 'injured' knee away in some random city as a punishment

[Vae Victus]

So, if you’re saying that this leak messed up a significant part of their FA plans this offseason. And we’re hearing reports that some in the FO believe Lonzo’s camp leaked the reports.

Then that doesn’t bode well for Lonzo.

As mad as the FO and Lebron is at Lonzo/Lavar, trading him right now would be the ABSOLUTE worst move we can make as we're trading him while his value is at its utter lowest due to the perception that his lack of shooting makes him utterly worthless. People can argue otherwise but other GMs will latch onto that perception and try to declare that he's a negative asset, to try to rip us off.

It'd be similar to us, if we traded Ingram last year after his own UTTERLY disastrous rookie campaign. His value was also in the toilet, but after a nice solid season flashing his potential, now he's considered a centerpiece (people still trying to slam him at this point, everyone clearly know they have an agenda) in whatever future potential trade for Kawhi.

Lakers will prolly look to trade Lonzo next year after he hopefully turns in an Ingram-esque bounce back season. Depending on the market and whether Lavar shuts the **** up, will determine if Lonzo will stay a Laker.

Sit his ass down for a year and get him away from the team, this guy will be a distraction until things gets sorted out for a potential trade partner. Make him rehab his 'injured' knee away in some random city as a punishment

No

We're not gonna make spite moves to further reduce his trade value. If he needs to sit out another month to fully rehab, no problem, the team we have now has WAY more depth than last year. Lonzo needs to be put in a situation to exceed play really well... and then we trade his ass for maximum value and flip his bitch ass dad the bird.

[Landsberger]

If they essentially jettisoned Randle because of hard negotiations in good faith by his agent... Wonder what they think about Lavar going completely rogue and putting company business in the streets.

I honestly think we lost Randle cuz we needed money to sign Rondo to send a message to Lonzo (well mostly Lavar). If the plan was to sign Rondo from the start to push Lonzo, i think we would have aggressively went after him with the Room Exception (instead of rushing out to pay Lance). Then after we force Randle to sign the QO, to be our big min smallball 5, we'd use the leftover 7mil to sign someone like Rondo if he's insistant on not taking the Room Exception. Rushing out to sign Lance for 4.4m honestly makes no sense whatsoever, except that the Lakers didnt think theyd badly need Rondo until Lavar forced our hand.

Instead, the timing of the leak screwed everything up an gave Rondo and his agent enough leverage to extract a deal that pays a bit more than the non tax MLE thereby forcing us to renounce Randle instead of sneakily keeping him for the QO.

So, if you’re saying that this leak messed up a significant part of their FA plans this offseason. And we’re hearing reports that some in the FO believe Lonzo’s camp leaked the reports.

Then that doesn’t bode well for Lonzo.

Think of what their "brand" would be if he played in Denver for example.... The BB brand stuff is pretty silly to start with.... like watching an old episode of Sanford and Son. Lavar needs Lonzo on the Lakers now that his other kids swung and missed.

[Pythagoras]

I honestly think we lost Randle cuz we needed money to sign Rondo to send a message to Lonzo (well mostly Lavar). If the plan was to sign Rondo from the start to push Lonzo, i think we would have aggressively went after him with the Room Exception (instead of rushing out to pay Lance). Then after we force Randle to sign the QO, to be our big min smallball 5, we'd use the leftover 7mil to sign someone like Rondo if he's insistant on not taking the Room Exception. Rushing out to sign Lance for 4.4m honestly makes no sense whatsoever, except that the Lakers didnt think theyd badly need Rondo until Lavar forced our hand.

Instead, the timing of the leak screwed everything up an gave Rondo and his agent enough leverage to extract a deal that pays a bit more than the non tax MLE thereby forcing us to renounce Randle instead of sneakily keeping him for the QO.

So, if you’re saying that this leak messed up a significant part of their FA plans this offseason. And we’re hearing reports that some in the FO believe Lonzo’s camp leaked the reports.

Then that doesn’t bode well for Lonzo.

As mad as the FO and Lebron is at Lonzo/Lavar, trading him right now would be the ABSOLUTE worst move we can make as we're trading him while his value is at its utter lowest due to the perception that his lack of shooting makes him utterly worthless. People can argue otherwise but other GMs will latch onto that perception and try to declare that he's a negative asset, to try to rip us off.

It'd be similar to us, if we traded Ingram last year after his own UTTERLY disastrous rookie campaign. His value was also in the toilet, but after a nice solid season flashing his potential, now he's considered a centerpiece (people still trying to slam him at this point, everyone clearly know they have an agenda) in whatever future potential trade for Kawhi.

Lakers will prolly look to trade Lonzo next year after he hopefully turns in an Ingram-esque bounce back season. Depending on the market and whether Lavar shuts the **** up, will determine if Lonzo will stay a Laker.

Lonzo’s camp sabotaging his value and wrecking the offseason plans is not something you just get over.

I don’t necessarily disagree with your thought process, but that’s a pretty damn big issue to get over.

[Pythagoras]

I honestly think we lost Randle cuz we needed money to sign Rondo to send a message to Lonzo (well mostly Lavar). If the plan was to sign Rondo from the start to push Lonzo, i think we would have aggressively went after him with the Room Exception (instead of rushing out to pay Lance). Then after we force Randle to sign the QO, to be our big min smallball 5, we'd use the leftover 7mil to sign someone like Rondo if he's insistant on not taking the Room Exception. Rushing out to sign Lance for 4.4m honestly makes no sense whatsoever, except that the Lakers didnt think theyd badly need Rondo until Lavar forced our hand.

Instead, the timing of the leak screwed everything up an gave Rondo and his agent enough leverage to extract a deal that pays a bit more than the non tax MLE thereby forcing us to renounce Randle instead of sneakily keeping him for the QO.

So, if you’re saying that this leak messed up a significant part of their FA plans this offseason. And we’re hearing reports that some in the FO believe Lonzo’s camp leaked the reports.

Then that doesn’t bode well for Lonzo.

Think of what their "brand" would be if he played in Denver for example.... The BB brand stuff is pretty silly to start with.... like watching an old episode of Sanford and Son. Lavar needs Lonzo on the Lakers now that his other kids swung and missed.

Yeah, well, Lavar better start prepping himself for that potential reality. I don’t think our offseason moves and some of the reports I’m hearing speak well to his son’s security on the team.

[Landsberger]

So, if you’re saying that this leak messed up a significant part of their FA plans this offseason. And we’re hearing reports that some in the FO believe Lonzo’s camp leaked the reports.

Then that doesn’t bode well for Lonzo.

Think of what their "brand" would be if he played in Denver for example.... The BB brand stuff is pretty silly to start with.... like watching an old episode of Sanford and Son. Lavar needs Lonzo on the Lakers now that his other kids swung and missed.

Yeah, well, Lavar better start prepping himself for that potential reality. I don’t think our offseason moves and some of the reports I’m hearing speak well to his son’s security on the team.

[hype_2004]

People here forgetting what Lavar said about LeBron's kids. Lebron has a long memory and he keeps his cards on his sleeve, I have no doubt in my mind that he wants Lavar and his boy out of those team, he's just being politically correct and being a professional but behind close doors this has been discussed with Magic as requisite to his signing.

[tviper]

Ball+Deng for Dame works capwise. Probably need to add a FRP. Leaves about 24M for a big guy next off season and keeps Ingram and Kuzma in house. Interesting.

[danfantastk32]

People here forgetting what Lavar said about LeBron's kids. Lebron has a long memory and he keeps his cards on his sleeve, I have no doubt in my mind that he wants Lavar and his boy out of those team, he's just being politically correct and being a professional but behind close doors this has been discussed with Magic as requisite to his signing.

""“You got LeBron, it’s going to be hard for his kids because they are going to look at them like, ‘You got to be just like your dad,'” continued Ball. “And after a while, that pressure starts sitting on you like, ‘Why do I got to be just like him? What can’t I just be me?’ And then they are going to be like, ‘Aw, you’re soft, you’re not that good.’ Because the expectation is very, very high.”""


He didn't say anything about Lebron's kids.....other than use them as an example of how difficult it's going to be to live up to bar set by your amazing parent. People will knowingly or unknowingly set the Lebron bar in front of his kids. <-----It's completely true. It makes it difficult for the kid, who is his own individual...with his own talents. It puts alot of stuff upstairs for the kid as well. I think it would be hard as hell to come into the NBA as Lebron's son.

Honestly, I think that was one of those times that Lebron completely overreacted, and morphed that into something personal.

[danfantastk32]

I think this has destroyed any chance Lonzo remains a Laker. The Lakers cannot put out medical information like that, and would have absolutely no reason to. This was 100% very clearly leaked by Lonzo's camp. You just messed with the teams operations, plans, and have destroyed any trust that was there. What other crap are you gonna pull down the line?

His only hope now is to come out and all-star level. Otherwise, he's toast the first chance the Lakers get. This stunt was just juvenile. Totally dumb.....and the last straw with Magic.

You know....I actually liked Lavar alot, and defended him. I think he was a very involved parent...his family gets along great, they stick up for eachother, and many other good things. For all his brash talk...the guy was doing many things right. And his sons were all placed in wonderful positions to succeed in life.

And then he got greedy. The shoe-deal wasn't enough. He had to make a Billion out the gate. He started acting like the world owed he and his sons everything they could ever want.

There's a great saying: Pigs get fat....Hogs get slaughtered. I think Lavar has ruined his younger son's chances at the NBA. And he's now actively ruining Lonzo's shot. Pretty soon, that shoe-deal he brushed aside will look like the greatest thing ever.

I expect Lavar to sue the Lakers at some point, when it's all fallen apart. Lonzo seems like a good guy. It's a shame.

[LAKESHOW]

Wow. Why even go there