Anthony Davis will be a Laker

[milesfides]

Yes, whether it’s KCP or Rondo or whomever, there’s a variety of ways to trade for Davis whether it’s during or after the season.

And the 5.5m filler shouldn’t be hard. It doesn’t have to include Zubac. It could be McGee, Mo, and Bonga, or any other combination of players we choose to resign or not renounce after we sign Kawhi.

But if we want both, the timing is key - first sign Kawhi, then fit Davis.

[milesfides]

Scratch that. Must keep Brandon Ingram.

Anthony Davis needs to change agents again, so we can trade Lebron for him.

[Vae Victus]

Ingram + Lonzo + Wagner (or 2019 FRP) + S&T Stephenson or Beasley to make up the rest of the salary filler (1 year guarantee 2 years unguaranteed)

Milesfides is 100% right, its all about the timing and salary filler is easily made up for with Stephenson's and Beasley's caphold (keeping 1 one wont affect getting Kawhi, but need to be renounced to get KD at his 35% max).

In fact... i kinda wonder if signing Stephenson and Beasley for the amounts they were signed to... is part of the bigger plan in using one of them as salary filler for a future trade for a star, such as AD...

[Dr Aki]

Ingram + Lonzo + Wagner (or 2019 FRP) + S&T Stephenson or Beasley to make up the rest of the salary filler (1 year guarantee 2 years unguaranteed)

Milesfides is 100% right, its all about the timing and salary filler is easily made up for with Stephenson's and Beasley's caphold (keeping 1 one wont affect getting Kawhi, but need to be renounced to get KD at his 35% max).

In fact... i kinda wonder if signing Stephenson and Beasley for the amounts they were signed to... is part of the bigger plan in using one of them as salary filler for a future trade for a star, such as AD...

S&Ts would only work if the cap holds/salaries stays on our cap (ones that are small enough are Wagner, Bonga, Svi, Zubac and McGee, Caruso, Wear). At least the 2019 FRP will be tradeable once we sign him and he has an approximate 2.0 mil salary

Renouncing KCP, Rondo, even Lance, would limit the Lakers ability to S&T then because we would only have what's left after we grab a max free agent to give them a new salary.

I don't think Rondo, KCP or Lance (maybe Lance will) is going to settle for less than MLE just to be salary filler for Davis.

[Vae Victus]

Ingram + Lonzo + Wagner (or 2019 FRP) + S&T Stephenson or Beasley to make up the rest of the salary filler (1 year guarantee 2 years unguaranteed)

Milesfides is 100% right, its all about the timing and salary filler is easily made up for with Stephenson's and Beasley's caphold (keeping 1 one wont affect getting Kawhi, but need to be renounced to get KD at his 35% max).

In fact... i kinda wonder if signing Stephenson and Beasley for the amounts they were signed to... is part of the bigger plan in using one of them as salary filler for a future trade for a star, such as AD...

S&Ts would only work if the cap holds/salaries stays on our cap (ones that are small enough are Wagner, Bonga, Svi, Zubac and McGee, Caruso, Wear). At least the 2019 FRP will be tradeable once we sign him and he has an approximate 2.0 mil salary

Renouncing KCP, Rondo, even Lance, would limit the Lakers ability to S&T then because we would only have what's left after we grab a max free agent to give them a new salary.

I don't think Rondo, KCP or Lance (maybe Lance will) is going to settle for less than MLE just to be salary filler for Davis.

Thats exactly it. Lance's cap hold is like 5.3m and Beasley is like 4.2m thus if the team were to sign Kawhi/Butler to 30% max or KD is willing to take a small discount, the Lakers can hold onto one of those capholds to use in a S&T (KCP, Rondo, etc everyone else will be renounced). Essentially whichever of those 2 players are willing to sign a 3 year last 2 years unguaranteed deal starting around 6 or so mil, will be used as the salary filler. It actually makes alot of sense, the Lakers were basically hedging their bets that 1 of these 2 players won't have a good enough year that theyll try to cash out and thus be willing to be part of that S&T deal with only 1 year guaranteed. Not sure if Zubac can be used in such a S&T due to his RFA status, but if he were to hypotheically have a good season, that he could deservedly earn around 6m or so, HE can be the filler instead.

Basically 1 of 3 of these players, could be used as the salary filler for the AD trade, hell with luck maybe NOP actually LIKES one of these guys and is willing to pay 3y/18ish mil deal for their services!

[stan francisco]

IF, and that’s a big if, AD demands out around the 14th of December...

It’ll be hard for the Celtics to beat this:
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7119204

Or this:
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7119209

Again, IF he demands out.

[Dr Aki]

Ingram + Lonzo + Wagner (or 2019 FRP) + S&T Stephenson or Beasley to make up the rest of the salary filler (1 year guarantee 2 years unguaranteed)

Milesfides is 100% right, its all about the timing and salary filler is easily made up for with Stephenson's and Beasley's caphold (keeping 1 one wont affect getting Kawhi, but need to be renounced to get KD at his 35% max).

In fact... i kinda wonder if signing Stephenson and Beasley for the amounts they were signed to... is part of the bigger plan in using one of them as salary filler for a future trade for a star, such as AD...

S&Ts would only work if the cap holds/salaries stays on our cap (ones that are small enough are Wagner, Bonga, Svi, Zubac and McGee, Caruso, Wear). At least the 2019 FRP will be tradeable once we sign him and he has an approximate 2.0 mil salary

Renouncing KCP, Rondo, even Lance, would limit the Lakers ability to S&T then because we would only have what's left after we grab a max free agent to give them a new salary.

I don't think Rondo, KCP or Lance (maybe Lance will) is going to settle for less than MLE just to be salary filler for Davis.

Thats exactly it. Lance's cap hold is like 5.3m and Beasley is like 4.2m thus if the team were to sign Kawhi/Butler to 30% max or KD is willing to take a small discount, the Lakers can hold onto one of those capholds to use in a S&T (KCP, Rondo, etc everyone else will be renounced). Essentially whichever of those 2 players are willing to sign a 3 year last 2 years unguaranteed deal starting around 6 or so mil, will be used as the salary filler. It actually makes alot of sense, the Lakers were basically hedging their bets that 1 of these 2 players won't have a good enough year that theyll try to cash out and thus be willing to be part of that S&T deal with only 1 year guaranteed. Not sure if Zubac can be used in such a S&T due to his RFA status, but if he were to hypotheically have a good season, that he could deservedly earn around 6m or so, HE can be the filler instead.

Basically 1 of 3 of these players, could be used as the salary filler for the AD trade, hell with luck maybe NOP actually LIKES one of these guys and is willing to pay 3y/18ish mil deal for their services!

Have you taken a look at the cap numbers? It's tight enough that in order to even have sufficient cap to grab Kawhi, you NEED to renounce Lance along with KCP and Rondo.

Heck, as it stands, the Lakers even have to give up their 2019 FRP to make enough room for Durant if he's the player that ends up coming.

Zubac would be under BYC rules, his salary would count as half outgoing, but full incoming for NO. I don't think NO are all that keen on Zubac.

[Vae Victus]

Yes, ive been crunching it on Capulator and the team can hold onto the caphold of 1 of Beasley/Lance, renounce everyone else, and have space for 30% max. FRP only factors in after a player is drafted and thus as salary ballast in any future trade. If Lance is the one that needs to be S&T then Zubac needs to be renounced. Things are tight indeed.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=7346911845bb5a79ac49d8388412868

The only wrinkle that throws a wrench in these plans is if a 35% max player joins the team and doesnt want to take a paycut. In that case, you sign that player (KD) and figure out the nitty gritty other stuff later.

Lance or Beasley capholds are just small enough to not effect the 30% max slot, i think its truly by design. If thats the case, then i truly admire Maginka ability to think ahead in trying to use one of Lance/Beasley as cap salary ballast for a future trade. Zubac's BYC situation makes him unappealing unless he blows up and breaks out in a huge way, which case we should just keep him to be starting C.

Crunching some more numbers, if hypothetically the Lakers sign KD. They need to renounce EVERYONE, including Zubac, but can still hold onto Bonga/Svi. If then AD demands out, the Lakers have to trade Lonzo/Ingram/Wagner/2019 FRP/one of Bonga/Svi to JUST barely make enough salary to get AD. Crazy if Maginka pulls that off.

[Kilroy]

This thread has become rather dark and sinister now, hasn't it... Given OP's recent work.

[Dr Aki]

Yes, ive been crunching it on Capulator and the team can hold onto the caphold of 1 of Beasley/Lance, renounce everyone else, and have space for 30% max. FRP only factors in after a player is drafted and thus as salary ballast in any future trade. If Lance is the one that needs to be S&T then Zubac needs to be renounced. Things are tight indeed.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=7346911845bb5a79ac49d8388412868

The only wrinkle that throws a wrench in these plans is if a 35% max player joins the team and doesnt want to take a paycut. In that case, you sign that player (KD) and figure out the nitty gritty other stuff later.

Lance or Beasley capholds are just small enough to not effect the 30% max slot, i think its truly by design. If thats the case, then i truly admire Maginka ability to think ahead in trying to use one of Lance/Beasley as cap salary ballast for a future trade. Zubac's BYC situation makes him unappealing unless he blows up and breaks out in a huge way, which case we should just keep him to be starting C.

in your link, you don't have enough for a 30% max, you can't redeem the minimum cap hold unless you sign a player first, then you're refunded the cap hold in order. with the new 109 mil cap projection, we'd need 32.7 mil for kawhi, we'd be over 300k short. even if we account for an additional 1 mil in cap space (bringing the total cap space to 32.39), you could only offer beasley the non-Bird Bird rights extension, which at most is a 20% increase in salary, i.e. 4.2 mil, the exact same as his cap hold.

Crunching some more numbers, if hypothetically the Lakers sign KD. They need to renounce EVERYONE, including Zubac, but can still hold onto Bonga/Svi. If then AD demands out, the Lakers have to trade Lonzo/Ingram/Wagner/2019 FRP/one of Bonga/Svi to JUST barely make enough salary to get AD. Crazy if Maginka pulls that off.

i think this the only way it gets done. even if the lakers grab kawhi.

new orleans aren't going to settle for beasley when they can ask for wagner, the 2019 FRP guy and one of Svi/Bonga instead. they'd be going for the full fresh start. frankly, unless davis specifically says, trade me to the lakers and noone else, then i don't think the lakers can play hard ball with new orleans

[milesfides]

Timing and order. This works if the Lakers renounce enough contracts to create space to sign Kawhi, then they can exceed to cap to fit in Davis via trade, but we'll obviously lose at least both Lonzo and Ingram in the process.

That's rough because we're absolutely depleted. Sure we'd have some exceptions to use but to fill how many spots? Depth matters so much even on super teams.

There's a much simpler solution to the problem, though. If we trade an aging Lebron and his massive contract, we get to keep everybody.

Kawhi and Anthony Davis are two top 5 players in their young prime, both MVP and DOPY candidates. We can keep all the young guys to fill out our roster, and we can make a decision on Brandon Ingram who looks poised for a huge year. Maybe Ingram WILL be our third guy on the junior max contract. Or we can trade him for the top pick in the draft and keep a max slot open. It gives us options and flexibility. I love that we can get away with Ball and Kuzma and Hart and Svi for TWO more seasons on rookie contracts.

You can't ask for a better situation as Golden State starts to fade.

It's really the right move.