Game 20: Denver Nuggets (13-7) vs. Los Angeles Lakers (11-8) - LOSS - 11-9

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

this team cannot spell defense. this is horrendous

Magic about to get a call from LeBron

I'm just lurking to get a pulse on Luke Walton's job security or lack thereof. I'm thinking he or Mike D'Antoni are skating on the thinnest ice.

Wizards coach has a huge contract. Brooks is safe for at least a year. For $21M reasons.

I'm thinking Tyronn Lue for the Lakers...?

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[Landsberger]

this team cannot spell defense. this is horrendous

Magic about to get a call from LeBron

I'm just lurking to get a pulse on Luke Walton's job security or lack thereof. I'm thinking he or Mike D'Antoni are skating on the thinnest ice.

Wizards coach has a huge contract. Brooks is safe for at least a year. For $21M reasons.

I'm thinking Tyronn Lue for the Lakers...?

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Magic did give him the "vote of confidence" a few weeks ago.....

[Sedale Threatt]

Kuzma sucks right now. Nightmare from 3, doesn't draw fouls, doesn't create for others, isn't really even creating for himself ... about the only thing he's doing well is that he's a bit above league average around the rim. Feels like scraping the bottom of the barrel right there.

[Landsberger]

Kuzma creates for others more than Ingram does. Ingram has the ball in his possession 70% more as well. You have to look at their roles in the offense. Kuzma gets his touches in the flow most of the time and makes the most of them. i agree he's in a cold streak from 3 but he's still providing efficient scoring on the offside of all of the Iso-crap going on.

[Sedale Threatt]

Ingram's playing like crap too, so that's not a great comparison. They're both having terrible seasons.

[TylersLakers]

Ugly. We can't afford to have Lonzo out, as he's one of a small few that are playing well right now. If he's okay to play, the starting line-up has to change.

Either:

Lonzo
Hart (or KCP)
Kuzma (or Ingram - would prefer Kuz as he's a better fit next to LeBron with his cutting ability)
LeBron
McGee

Can't afford to drop home games. Need to win at least two of these games over the weekend, if not all three. Pacers, Mavs, and Suns are all games we should win.

[-Spyda-]

Omg

[TylersLakers]

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

this team cannot spell defense. this is horrendous

Magic about to get a call from LeBron

I'm just lurking to get a pulse on Luke Walton's job security or lack thereof. I'm thinking he or Mike D'Antoni are skating on the thinnest ice.

Wizards coach has a huge contract. Brooks is safe for at least a year. For $21M reasons.

I'm thinking Tyronn Lue for the Lakers...?

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Magic did give him the "vote of confidence" a few weeks ago.....

Kiss of death...

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Kuzma creates for others more than Ingram does. Ingram has the ball in his possession 70% more as well. You have to look at their roles in the offense. Kuzma gets his touches in the flow most of the time and makes the most of them. i agree he's in a cold streak from 3 but he's still providing efficient scoring on the offside of all of the Iso-crap going on.

Kuzma is better right now IMO.

Brandon Ingram seems to me has more growth potential than Kuzma. I guess it's cliche but the word upside applies...

However, usage and ball dominance is something you want Lebron and Rondo to fill. Kuzma finishes and facilitates for the Lakers. Ingram seems more expendable to this team.





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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ingram's playing like crap too, so that's not a great comparison. They're both having terrible seasons.

Theirs is a totally different season than last. When the Wizards went totally veteran every rookie deal player other than Wall and the next two top three picks basically got frozen out. Javale McGee darn near was out of the league once Nene came. Lesser players like Kevin Seraphin, Andray Blatche, Jan Vesely, and Nick Young all were displaced. Games didn't get worse. They had to adjust to lesser roles.

Ingram, Kuzma, and Ball all have had to slow their rolls so to speak. New roles.

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[magicbesteva]

Ingram is so frustrating to watch sometimes. How does he only take 10 shots?! I keep waiting to see him take over a game but the guy keeps disappointing. The team is down double digits step up and be that guy. Put the team on your back.

[Sedale Threatt]

Ingram's playing like crap too, so that's not a great comparison. They're both having terrible seasons.

Theirs is a totally different season than last. When the Wizards went totally veteran every rookie deal player other than Wall and the next two top three picks basically got frozen out. Javale McGee darn near was out of the league once Nene came. Lesser players like Kevin Seraphin, Andray Blatche, Jan Vesely, and Nick Young all were displaced. Games didn't get worse. They had to adjust to lesser roles.

Ingram, Kuzma, and Ball all have had to slow their rolls so to speak. New roles.

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I mean, having a new role shouldn't excuse your 3-point percentage from falling into the toilet. I get that LeBron sucks up a lot of oxygen, and whatever. But good players will still find a way to be effective and contribute. Notice that all of the players you cite either sucked, and were never going to be good in the first place, or in JaVale's case, had a lot of growing up to do. I'm not even remotely trying to compare guys like Ingram and Kuzma to established All-Stars -- they're not in the same galaxy -- but even with their roles drastically altered, Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were still really, really good players. Again, not trying to compare, but dudes just need to step up. It's not like LeBron won't pass them the ball.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ingram's playing like crap too, so that's not a great comparison. They're both having terrible seasons.

Theirs is a totally different season than last. When the Wizards went totally veteran every rookie deal player other than Wall and the next two top three picks basically got frozen out. Javale McGee darn near was out of the league once Nene came. Lesser players like Kevin Seraphin, Andray Blatche, Jan Vesely, and Nick Young all were displaced. Games didn't get worse. They had to adjust to lesser roles.

Ingram, Kuzma, and Ball all have had to slow their rolls so to speak. New roles.

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I mean, having a new role shouldn't excuse your 3-point percentage from falling into the toilet. I get that LeBron sucks up a lot of oxygen, and whatever. But good players will still find a way to be effective and contribute. Notice that all of the players you cite either sucked, and were never going to be good in the first place, or in JaVale's case, had a lot of growing up to do. I'm not even remotely trying to compare guys like Ingram and Kuzma to established All-Stars -- they're not in the same galaxy -- but even with their roles drastically altered, Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were still really, really good players. Again, not trying to compare, but dudes just need to step up. It's not like LeBron won't pass them the ball.

Agree with much to almost all of what you say. Nick Young had game. Andray Blatche also had game. At least he got (over)paid before his NBA stint was over.

Pressure. Diamonds are formed under pressure. Indeed the phenoms are going to be alright with any situation. GOOD PLAYERS do figure it out...except for when they're FORCED to adapt to roles NOT AT ALL CONDUCIVE to their own best interests. Young guys do not come in as journeymen...unless that fits their M.O. Montrezl Harrell is absolutely killing it NOW with the Clippers...but what was he before?

Conversely, DeAngelo Russell was just LUCKY he got traded early and the Nets gave him space and time to grow. I guarantee you Kuzma will BLOW UP and so will Ingram on the right team. As a Wizards fan I recall Lonzo's first head-to-head matchup vs John Wall. Back when Ball was Lavar's kid. Pops was talking. Kid was brick city...BUT I still thought that dude can flat out ball! Pun intended.

***Full disclaimer: I tend to miss too optimistic. Thought Carter-Williams was going to be a beast. Oops!

I think Kuzma is special. Not sure about Ingram. Will not at all be surprised if on December 15 the Lakers get Wall (or Beal). Lonzo and KCP for Wallstar is what I HOPE FOR JOHN AND the Lakers.

Guarantee Wall makes HOF if Lebron can work with him. John is potentially a VASTLY superior defender than Kyrie. All John Wall needs is license to get physical with dudes. Just start knocking dudes off of him like a Derrick Harper. Shout out to a former Olympian and NBA guard Tom Henderson. Wall could learn a ton from him and tape of Gary Payton.

Wall needs to be the hell out of DC.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Sorry for the long post and typos...

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[Mos_Heat]

Spoiler:

Theirs is a totally different season than last. When the Wizards went totally veteran every rookie deal player other than Wall and the next two top three picks basically got frozen out. Javale McGee darn near was out of the league once Nene came. Lesser players like Kevin Seraphin, Andray Blatche, Jan Vesely, and Nick Young all were displaced. Games didn't get worse. They had to adjust to lesser roles.

Ingram, Kuzma, and Ball all have had to slow their rolls so to speak. New roles.

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I mean, having a new role shouldn't excuse your 3-point percentage from falling into the toilet. I get that LeBron sucks up a lot of oxygen, and whatever. But good players will still find a way to be effective and contribute. Notice that all of the players you cite either sucked, and were never going to be good in the first place, or in JaVale's case, had a lot of growing up to do. I'm not even remotely trying to compare guys like Ingram and Kuzma to established All-Stars -- they're not in the same galaxy -- but even with their roles drastically altered, Kevin Love and Chris Bosh were still really, really good players. Again, not trying to compare, but dudes just need to step up. It's not like LeBron won't pass them the ball.

Agree with much to almost all of what you say. Nick Young had game. Andray Blatche also had game. At least he got (over)paid before his NBA stint was over.

Pressure. Diamonds are formed under pressure. Indeed the phenoms are going to be alright with any situation. GOOD PLAYERS do figure it out...except for when they're FORCED to adapt to roles NOT AT ALL CONDUCIVE to their own best interests. Young guys do not come in as journeymen...unless that fits their M.O. Montrezl Harrell is absolutely killing it NOW with the Clippers...but what was he before?

Conversely, DeAngelo Russell was just LUCKY he got traded early and the Nets gave him space and time to grow. I guarantee you Kuzma will BLOW UP and so will Ingram on the right team. As a Wizards fan I recall Lonzo's first head-to-head matchup vs John Wall. Back when Ball was Lavar's kid. Pops was talking. Kid was brick city...BUT I still thought that dude can flat out ball! Pun intended.

***Full disclaimer: I tend to miss too optimistic. Thought Carter-Williams was going to be a beast. Oops!

I think Kuzma is special. Not sure about Ingram. Will not at all be surprised if on December 15 the Lakers get Wall (or Beal). Lonzo and KCP for Wallstar is what I HOPE FOR JOHN AND the Lakers.

Guarantee Wall makes HOF if Lebron can work with him. John is potentially a VASTLY superior defender than Kyrie. All John Wall needs is license to get physical with dudes. Just start knocking dudes off of him like a Derrick Harper. Shout out to a former Olympian and NBA guard Tom Henderson. Wall could learn a ton from him and tape of Gary Payton.

Wall needs to be the hell out of DC.

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Lakers won't trade their cap space for Beal and especially Wall

[Spanish_Laker]

I didn't even try to watch this game, we all knew the outcome before the game even started. Gotta win the next two though, the Western Conference is so tight and we can't afford to L the next 2 games.

[Laker_Kid]

there are games like the Magic game that makes me want to peel my skin off, but i think we are okay still. if we drop under .500 again i think i'll start to panic.

[No name]

Washington will be fortunate to give Wall and his contract away. No way are they getting any value back. Let alone a Lonzo Ball type.

[Danny Darko]

Washington will be fortunate to give Wall and his contract away. No way are they getting any value back. Let alone a Lonzo Ball type.

IDK, I would guess the Vlad-father would move Fox and Randolph's expiring to get Wall

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7136730

not us, though