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Game 61: New Orleans Pelicans (27-35) @ Los Angeles Lakers (29-31) - 10:30 PM ET

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Re: Game 61: New Orleans Pelicans (27-35) @ Los Angeles Lakers (29-31) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#121 » by Landsberger » Fri Mar 1, 2019 4:31 am

Kilroy wrote:Disclaimer: This is a real **** attitude, but still...

MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
40 11-22 .500 2-7 .286 11-12 .917 6 3 1 1 4 2 35

MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
37 13-24 .542 4-9 .444 3-8 .375 6 10 1 2 2 2 33

Playoff mode activated... We let the first one walk for nothing, to get the second one...

I'm not knocking LeBron's play last night... I thought he was great.
I just think Randle was also great at a fraction of the investment, with a whole lot less baggage, and with actual upside... And Defense...
I'm just wondering what it would look like if we had PG13 and Randle along with Ball/Ingram/Kuz/Zu, instead... I'm guessing that's at least a 6th seed this season.


I know you really like Randle but comparing him to LeBron (and I'm not the biggest Bron fan by any means)? Randle is a good 3rd wheel on a really good team but in no way is he(at this point anyway) a central player you build around. The reality of the Magic/Jeannie plan for the youth was exposed a month ago and I'm with most here is questioning the signing of LeBron but the fact remains that it was him or wait another year for the plan to form again around another FA that wouldn't sign here anyway. We've been in a horrific cycle and Bron is the only one who's changed that trajectory. They young guys are all fun to watch and root for individually but I'm not thinking anyone turns into THAT guy for us so we had to go get one. That cost us guys like Randle and Nance (my favorite of the recent picks btw) who are the guys you fill in around the top guys. The problem is that's the case with most of our youth.... they are more finishing pieces over being central franchise pieces.

As far as Randle this year he's shown some improvement in hitting shots from distance that he never did here which is great but his defense (i've only watched the LA games) was not nearly as good on the perimeter as it was here last year. You say Bron had a great and Randle was the primary defender against LeBron.

He scores in bully fashion, which would be great to have here for sure, but the long range plans of the team negated spending to keep him. We can debate that and we are all over the place. Kuzma and Ingram are not physical forwards at all. We miss that on the floor big time. I was puzzled by what NO signed him for last year and will be curious to see how the league values him this offseason. I'm guessing that he's a second tier signing for someone missing out on the big names.
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Re: Game 61: New Orleans Pelicans (27-35) @ Los Angeles Lakers (29-31) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#122 » by Landsberger » Fri Mar 1, 2019 4:51 am

Themaster007_v2 wrote:Ingram is practically unguardable when he drives it in. That's his bread and butter. He's been a monster the last few games. It just worries me when Lonzo comes back, he reverts back to jump shot Ingram. And I dont know why, but it irritates me watching Kuz play. I know he has his up's and down's but this boy doesn't put much effort into playing defense. He's always looking to shoot.


So.... I looked at this shot selection and FG% by distance and he's taking fewer shots at 0-3' this year than last year(33% of his shots vs 37% last year) and his FG% from that distance is almost identical with a 1% difference(68% vs 67%).

The biggest difference in his shot charts are from 3-10' where he's shooting much better this year (43% vs 20% last year) but that's only on limited attempts of 19% of his shots.

When looking at the rest of the team Kuzma shoots a higher % at the rim 70% on just a few fewer attempts (29% of his overall attempts). He shoots 47% from 3-10' on 20% of his shots as well.

Then LeBron.... he shoots 75% from 0-3 but only 29% from 3-10'. The FG% from 3-10' is his worst of his career by a pretty good margin too. He's had seasons where he was at 55% from that distance which is very good.

So... practically unguardable going to the rim is still Bron with Kuz and Ingram very close in there as well. A few feet further out and Kuz leads the pack with Ingram right there.

Actually outside of the 3 these guys have similar shooting profiles. If Walton is looking for interchangeability then he ought to figure out how to get these guys moving toward the hoop off the ball with one of Ball or Rondo initiating rather than pounding the ball in isolations. We saw a little of that last night actually and Ingram, Kuzma (big dunks) and Bron all got easy buckets off Rondo's passing.
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Re: Game 61: New Orleans Pelicans (27-35) @ Los Angeles Lakers (29-31) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#123 » by kblo247 » Fri Mar 1, 2019 5:04 am

zimpy27 wrote:
Kilroy wrote:Disclaimer: This is a real **** attitude, but still...

MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
40 11-22 .500 2-7 .286 11-12 .917 6 3 1 1 4 2 35

MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
37 13-24 .542 4-9 .444 3-8 .375 6 10 1 2 2 2 33

Playoff mode activated... We let the first one walk for nothing, to get the second one...

I'm not knocking LeBron's play last night... I thought he was great.
I just think Randle was also great at a fraction of the investment, with a whole lot less baggage, and with actual upside... And Defense...
I'm just wondering what it would look like if we had PG13 and Randle along with Ball/Ingram/Kuz/Zu, instead... I'm guessing that's at least a 6th seed this season.


Defintely agreed, Randle was let go because they thought PG13 was coming. If just one of those stays then this is a playoff team, if team wasn't injured then it's a playoff team. Despite all the poor moves it would have been a playoff team.

I think it's underrated how bad the PG13 situation was for the Lakers, he essentially said he was coming which put the wheels in motion to win now. Trading away Russell and Randle to clear space for a guy that would never come and made it an odd broken season this year.

HAve either of you two watched Randle play this year? He's a horrible, horrible defensive player and turned the PElicans into a turnstile. He gives no effort there, gets lost all the time, and gives up what he gets. In fact he gets exploited, case and point we ran our 4th quarter O at him all game because he's ass on that end.

Luke made Randle on D Luke used him best too when he made him come off the bench to play backup 5 and limited his minutes. HE's just not a starter in this league. He's a modern day Sharif Abdur Rahiim. Like Rahim couldn't get anything but the mle because he was a loser once his lotto team let him go, Randle is looking at another exemption because he's a loser. No team starting him or playing him big minutes is actually trying to win games.

Before the AD trade tlak Randle was being booed by PElicans fans in arena because he was so bad at effort and made stupid plays . HE was a massive downgrade from Cousins and Mirotic as a player in terms of talent let alone IQ and impact
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Re: Game 61: New Orleans Pelicans (27-35) @ Los Angeles Lakers (29-31) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#124 » by Kilroy » Fri Mar 1, 2019 6:30 am

kblo247 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Kilroy wrote:Disclaimer: This is a real **** attitude, but still...

MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
40 11-22 .500 2-7 .286 11-12 .917 6 3 1 1 4 2 35

MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
37 13-24 .542 4-9 .444 3-8 .375 6 10 1 2 2 2 33

Playoff mode activated... We let the first one walk for nothing, to get the second one...

I'm not knocking LeBron's play last night... I thought he was great.
I just think Randle was also great at a fraction of the investment, with a whole lot less baggage, and with actual upside... And Defense...
I'm just wondering what it would look like if we had PG13 and Randle along with Ball/Ingram/Kuz/Zu, instead... I'm guessing that's at least a 6th seed this season.


Defintely agreed, Randle was let go because they thought PG13 was coming. If just one of those stays then this is a playoff team, if team wasn't injured then it's a playoff team. Despite all the poor moves it would have been a playoff team.

I think it's underrated how bad the PG13 situation was for the Lakers, he essentially said he was coming which put the wheels in motion to win now. Trading away Russell and Randle to clear space for a guy that would never come and made it an odd broken season this year.

HAve either of you two watched Randle play this year? He's a horrible, horrible defensive player and turned the PElicans into a turnstile. He gives no effort there, gets lost all the time, and gives up what he gets. In fact he gets exploited, case and point we ran our 4th quarter O at him all game because he's ass on that end.

Luke made Randle on D Luke used him best too when he made him come off the bench to play backup 5 and limited his minutes. HE's just not a starter in this league. He's a modern day Sharif Abdur Rahiim. Like Rahim couldn't get anything but the mle because he was a loser once his lotto team let him go, Randle is looking at another exemption because he's a loser. No team starting him or playing him big minutes is actually trying to win games.

Before the AD trade tlak Randle was being booed by PElicans fans in arena because he was so bad at effort and made stupid plays . HE was a massive downgrade from Cousins and Mirotic as a player in terms of talent let alone IQ and impact


So, Randle's good at D under Walton? Well great... Because if we kept him, he'd be playing under Walton.

And also... As bad as you say Randle is on D... LeBron's miles worse... No effort? I'll show you no effort... (points at LeBron)

But like I said, that's not the point... The point is that we may have been a better team if we'd signed Randle and actually put some effort into landing PG13 rather than letting Randle walk for nothing and signing LeBron... Especailly since we might have kept Zu too...
Randle isn't as good as Lebron... That said, he's too damned good to let walk for nothing.

Long term plans? Yeah... Piss in one hand, and plan in the other...
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Re: Game 61: New Orleans Pelicans (27-35) @ Los Angeles Lakers (29-31) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#125 » by kblo247 » Fri Mar 1, 2019 7:43 am

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kblo247 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Defintely agreed, Randle was let go because they thought PG13 was coming. If just one of those stays then this is a playoff team, if team wasn't injured then it's a playoff team. Despite all the poor moves it would have been a playoff team.

I think it's underrated how bad the PG13 situation was for the Lakers, he essentially said he was coming which put the wheels in motion to win now. Trading away Russell and Randle to clear space for a guy that would never come and made it an odd broken season this year.

HAve either of you two watched Randle play this year? He's a horrible, horrible defensive player and turned the PElicans into a turnstile. He gives no effort there, gets lost all the time, and gives up what he gets. In fact he gets exploited, case and point we ran our 4th quarter O at him all game because he's ass on that end.

Luke made Randle on D Luke used him best too when he made him come off the bench to play backup 5 and limited his minutes. HE's just not a starter in this league. He's a modern day Sharif Abdur Rahiim. Like Rahim couldn't get anything but the mle because he was a loser once his lotto team let him go, Randle is looking at another exemption because he's a loser. No team starting him or playing him big minutes is actually trying to win games.

Before the AD trade tlak Randle was being booed by PElicans fans in arena because he was so bad at effort and made stupid plays . HE was a massive downgrade from Cousins and Mirotic as a player in terms of talent let alone IQ and impact


So, Randle's good at D under Walton? Well great... Because if we kept him, he'd be playing under Walton.

And also... As bad as you say Randle is on D... LeBron's miles worse... No effort? I'll show you no effort... (points at LeBron)

But like I said, that's not the point... The point is that we may have been a better team if we'd signed Randle and actually put some effort into landing PG13 rather than letting Randle walk for nothing and signing LeBron... Especailly since we might have kept Zu too...
Randle isn't as good as Lebron... That said, he's too damned good to let walk for nothing.

Long term plans? Yeah... Piss in one hand, and plan in the other...

Randle was moving no needle. What should have happened was Lonzo or the pick that was Lonzo should have been offered for George from day one to show George we valued him.

Then Lopez should have been retained for the price of Beasley and promised to start like JAvale.

LAstly you make Randle take the QO. HE had no market anyways. HE was going to pout and whine like he did the year before when he wasn't start, but we were winning more games. And as bad as LEBron has been, on the year LEBron's sorry ass effort has still been better than Randle. Hell Kuzma has had a better defensive year than Randle. And it's funny because Julius talked **** about how Gentry had him practice defense, yet without Luke using him how he did, he's been as exploitable as Fish was in a pick and roll
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Re: Game 61: New Orleans Pelicans (27-35) @ Los Angeles Lakers (29-31) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#126 » by kblo247 » Fri Mar 1, 2019 7:50 am

LEBron has
- higher DWS 2.2 > 1.5
- higher DBPM 2 > -0.2
- higher BPM 7.8 > 1.7
- lower DRTG (Which is what you want) 107 > 111

Plus he's the better passer, shooter, scorer, and even at rebounding.

FOH with the Randle gives more effort or gets more results than LeBron narrative. Randle is a stat padding bum
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