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Re: Game 11: Los Angeles Lakers (8-2) vs Golden State Warriors (2-9) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#181 » by snaquille oatmeal » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:25 pm

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Great numbers. But here is the thing, and I've been thinking about this a little lately: If we kept everybody -- him, Randle, the New Orleans Three, etc -- how do you think we'd be doing? I honestly don't think that's a particularly good team, even though the individual parts would suggest otherwise. Maybe that's sour grapes on my part, and we'll obviously never know, but I honestly don't think so.

A rare case where the sum is less than the individual parts I guess

Dlo is surrounded by crap. Lebron wouldnt win with that team either.

Not talking about the Warriors, talking about a fictional team of ex Lakers picks, DLo, Randle, Ingram, Zo, Wagner, Zu.
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Re: Game 11: Los Angeles Lakers (8-2) vs Golden State Warriors (2-9) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#182 » by iamworthy » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:38 pm

Warriors G league team is crazy to see. Even with klay, dray, and Steph they are not a championship team. Looking at it now, if I'm DLo I'd want to get traded to timberwolves to hook up with KAT who will be a top 5 player for a long time. KAT, DLo, and trade Wiggins and they might have something.
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Re: Game 11: Los Angeles Lakers (8-2) vs Golden State Warriors (2-9) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#183 » by Slava » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:12 pm

Not sure if it will hold good but his free throw rate has jumped to 32% from 18% over his career. If it is true, it makes him a legit scorer. Still one of the worst defenders out there though.
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Re: Game 11: Los Angeles Lakers (8-2) vs Golden State Warriors (2-9) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#184 » by Kilroy » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:23 pm

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snaquille oatmeal wrote:A rare case where the sum is less than the individual parts I guess

Dlo is surrounded by crap. Lebron wouldnt win with that team either.

Not talking about the Warriors, talking about a fictional team of ex Lakers picks, DLo, Randle, Ingram, Zo, Wagner, Zu.


Dlo, Randle, Ingram, Zu and a pure shooter at the 2, with Zo and Wagner off the bench would win some games with good coaching.

But we have a legit title contender, and as good as that team is, they aren't that, yet.

I liked a lot of those guys, but I like where we are right now better.
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Re: Game 11: Los Angeles Lakers (8-2) vs Golden State Warriors (2-9) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#185 » by stan francisco » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:48 pm

Kuzma got to have a good game against a bad team just at the right time. This should repair his confidence in who he is. The hard work doing two-a-days in May is paying off.

+21 differential
22 points
5 rebounds
2 assists
50% 3 pointers (3/6)
58.3% field goals
83.6% free throws (5/6)
4 turnovers

Ingram like numbers. His defense still needs work but looks a lot better than last year as expected.
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Re: Game 11: Los Angeles Lakers (8-2) vs Golden State Warriors (2-9) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#186 » by snaquille oatmeal » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:05 am

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Michael Lucky wrote:Dlo is surrounded by crap. Lebron wouldnt win with that team either.

Not talking about the Warriors, talking about a fictional team of ex Lakers picks, DLo, Randle, Ingram, Zo, Wagner, Zu.


Dlo, Randle, Ingram, Zu and a pure shooter at the 2, with Zo and Wagner off the bench would win some games with good coaching.

But we have a legit title contender, and as good as that team is, they aren't that, yet.

I liked a lot of those guys, but I like where we are right now better.
You can add Hart at the 2 and Nance to the bench. But my original thought is that these guys are better off individually fitting on different teams than all playing in the same team.
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Re: Game 11: Los Angeles Lakers (8-2) vs Golden State Warriors (2-9) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#187 » by kblo247 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:38 am

stan francisco wrote:Kuzma got to have a good game against a bad team just at the right time. This should repair his confidence in who he is. The hard work doing two-a-days in May is paying off.

+21 differential
22 points
5 rebounds
2 assists
50% 3 pointers (3/6)
58.3% field goals
83.6% free throws (5/6)
4 turnovers

Ingram like numbers. His defense still needs work but looks a lot better than last year as expected.


Kuzma is 9/19 in his last 3 games from three. Hes averaged 20 points, 5 rebs, 54% fg, 48% threes, and 92% fts in his last 3 games. It wasn't one good game. It's been getting his legs and wind back. He ws a step slow because he could not run or play for 11 weeks and his only practice before being activated was with the g league team.

He also is not kcp who beats himself up. HE is literally Kobe's message to Deron. Deron williams stops shooting at 0.9 like KCP, whereas Kobe keeps shooting at 0/27 much like Kuzma because he feels the next one going in
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Re: Game 11: Los Angeles Lakers (8-2) vs Golden State Warriors (2-9) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#188 » by stan francisco » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:56 am

kblo247 wrote:
stan francisco wrote:Kuzma got to have a good game against a bad team just at the right time. This should repair his confidence in who he is. The hard work doing two-a-days in May is paying off.

+21 differential
22 points
5 rebounds
2 assists
50% 3 pointers (3/6)
58.3% field goals
83.6% free throws (5/6)
4 turnovers

Ingram like numbers. His defense still needs work but looks a lot better than last year as expected.


Kuzma is 9/19 in his last 3 games from three. Hes averaged 20 points, 5 rebs, 54% fg, 48% threes, and 92% fts in his last 3 games. It wasn't one good game. It's been getting his legs and wind back. He ws a step slow because he could not run or play for 11 weeks and his only practice before being activated was with the g league team.

He also is not kcp who beats himself up. HE is literally Kobe's message to Deron. Deron williams stops shooting at 0.9 like KCP, whereas Kobe keeps shooting at 0/27 much like Kuzma because he feels the next one going in


I couldn’t agree more. I’ve been driving the Kuz bus a whole lot here lately.. Glad someone else clearly sees what’s up with him going forward.
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Re: Game 11: Los Angeles Lakers (8-2) vs Golden State Warriors (2-9) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#189 » by bb22 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:56 am

kblo247 wrote:
stan francisco wrote:Kuzma got to have a good game against a bad team just at the right time. This should repair his confidence in who he is. The hard work doing two-a-days in May is paying off.

+21 differential
22 points
5 rebounds
2 assists
50% 3 pointers (3/6)
58.3% field goals
83.6% free throws (5/6)
4 turnovers

Ingram like numbers. His defense still needs work but looks a lot better than last year as expected.


Kuzma is 9/19 in his last 3 games from three. Hes averaged 20 points, 5 rebs, 54% fg, 48% threes, and 92% fts in his last 3 games. It wasn't one good game. It's been getting his legs and wind back. He ws a step slow because he could not run or play for 11 weeks and his only practice before being activated was with the g league team.

He also is not kcp who beats himself up. HE is literally Kobe's message to Deron. Deron williams stops shooting at 0.9 like KCP, whereas Kobe keeps shooting at 0/27 much like Kuzma because he feels the next one going in


Kuzma started attacking the paint more and using his floater, which got him going.
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Re: Game 11: Los Angeles Lakers (8-2) vs Golden State Warriors (2-9) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#190 » by stan francisco » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:58 am

bb22 wrote:
kblo247 wrote:
stan francisco wrote:Kuzma got to have a good game against a bad team just at the right time. This should repair his confidence in who he is. The hard work doing two-a-days in May is paying off.

+21 differential
22 points
5 rebounds
2 assists
50% 3 pointers (3/6)
58.3% field goals
83.6% free throws (5/6)
4 turnovers

Ingram like numbers. His defense still needs work but looks a lot better than last year as expected.


Kuzma is 9/19 in his last 3 games from three. Hes averaged 20 points, 5 rebs, 54% fg, 48% threes, and 92% fts in his last 3 games. It wasn't one good game. It's been getting his legs and wind back. He ws a step slow because he could not run or play for 11 weeks and his only practice before being activated was with the g league team.

He also is not kcp who beats himself up. HE is literally Kobe's message to Deron. Deron williams stops shooting at 0.9 like KCP, whereas Kobe keeps shooting at 0/27 much like Kuzma because he feels the next one going in


Kuzma started attacking the paint more and using his floater, which got him going.


And he’s barely just warming up... He’s our third star.
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Re: Game 11: Los Angeles Lakers (8-2) vs Golden State Warriors (2-9) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#191 » by kblo247 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:06 am

bb22 wrote:
kblo247 wrote:
stan francisco wrote:Kuzma got to have a good game against a bad team just at the right time. This should repair his confidence in who he is. The hard work doing two-a-days in May is paying off.

+21 differential
22 points
5 rebounds
2 assists
50% 3 pointers (3/6)
58.3% field goals
83.6% free throws (5/6)
4 turnovers

Ingram like numbers. His defense still needs work but looks a lot better than last year as expected.


Kuzma is 9/19 in his last 3 games from three. Hes averaged 20 points, 5 rebs, 54% fg, 48% threes, and 92% fts in his last 3 games. It wasn't one good game. It's been getting his legs and wind back. He ws a step slow because he could not run or play for 11 weeks and his only practice before being activated was with the g league team.

He also is not kcp who beats himself up. HE is literally Kobe's message to Deron. Deron williams stops shooting at 0.9 like KCP, whereas Kobe keeps shooting at 0/27 much like Kuzma because he feels the next one going in


Kuzma started attacking the paint more and using his floater, which got him going.



I agree he got himself looks, that is no lie. I also think that comes with playing more though. The fact is he spent a long time out and had a an injury that more people would be scared to get knocked down and stand up on. He was playing D from the start when he came back. HE also was a good plus minus guy. HE just wasn't converting threes and was throwing passes to spaces where guys weren't at almost as if he anticipated where the last batch would go over where the new team goes. But his 3s were not wildly off when he was clanking, they were short at front of the rim most the time meaning his legs and wind were not right.

Kuz is in his own preseason and camp. There were many times last year where he was by far faster than Zo, BI, HArt, and Zu end to end. Now as the games go on you are seeing that same speed, gait, and him venturing back to the painted area. He's still taking the same threes with the form from Team USA, but not they fall over hitting front rim because his legs are back. I had no doubt about his confidence or his willingness to work his way into wind and shape though. He was better than Ingram and the others from the day they all stepped on the court together, so it was going to happen again that he found himself.

I have little worries with KCP too because his career splits say OCtober and November have always been much worse than December and January every year. Same with when JAvale started slow. The fact is the LAkers retained the three guys LeBron assisted to the most for a reason. They were Kuzma, JAvale, and KCP in thar order even with Ingram, Ball, and HArt here last year. They had chemistry and that does not disappear
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Re: Game 11: Los Angeles Lakers (8-2) vs Golden State Warriors (2-9) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#192 » by Kilroy » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:23 am

stan francisco wrote:Kuzma got to have a good game against a bad team just at the right time. This should repair his confidence in who he is. The hard work doing two-a-days in May is paying off.

+21 differential
22 points
5 rebounds
2 assists
50% 3 pointers (3/6)
58.3% field goals
83.6% free throws (5/6)
4 turnovers

Ingram like numbers. His defense still needs work but looks a lot better than last year as expected.


Kuzma's problem has never been having the occasional great performance, though... His problem is that he'll have a night or 2 and then go into hibernation for weeks. And looking completely lost on both ends of the floor during those stretches when his shot isn't falling...

His other problem was seeming to have those big nights in garbage time... Or in the 1st quarter and then doing nothing the rest of the game...

So IMO, the bar for Kuz should be less about the occasional all-star performance, and more about a general high level of play and impact on both ends of the floor, for an extended period of time.

Like I said last night... He had a great game and a game much more representative of the kind of player we need him to be... Maybe one less forced 3 after he got hot... Maybe trying to finish drives more rather than trying to sneak them in... Maybe a little more physical on defense... But a clear step in the right direction...

Lets just put enough of those games together that we can start trusting him more... That's enough for me. I don't need him to be in the All Star discussion. But I bet if he does those things, even if some of his peak numbers fall off a bit, he will be.
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Re: Game 11: Los Angeles Lakers (8-2) vs Golden State Warriors (2-9) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#193 » by BEazy » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:53 am

stan francisco wrote:
kblo247 wrote:
stan francisco wrote:Kuzma got to have a good game against a bad team just at the right time. This should repair his confidence in who he is. The hard work doing two-a-days in May is paying off.

+21 differential
22 points
5 rebounds
2 assists
50% 3 pointers (3/6)
58.3% field goals
83.6% free throws (5/6)
4 turnovers

Ingram like numbers. His defense still needs work but looks a lot better than last year as expected.


Kuzma is 9/19 in his last 3 games from three. Hes averaged 20 points, 5 rebs, 54% fg, 48% threes, and 92% fts in his last 3 games. It wasn't one good game. It's been getting his legs and wind back. He ws a step slow because he could not run or play for 11 weeks and his only practice before being activated was with the g league team.

He also is not kcp who beats himself up. HE is literally Kobe's message to Deron. Deron williams stops shooting at 0.9 like KCP, whereas Kobe keeps shooting at 0/27 much like Kuzma because he feels the next one going in


I couldn’t agree more. I’ve been driving the Kuz bus a whole lot here lately.. Glad someone else clearly sees what’s up with him going forward.


Count me on that bus as well. I never had any doubt Kuz wouldn't get it together.
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Post#194 » by Landsberger » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:12 am

Kilroy wrote:Kuzma's problem has never been having the occasional great performance, though... His problem is that he'll have a night or 2 and then go into hibernation for weeks. And looking completely lost on both ends of the floor during those stretches when his shot isn't falling...

His other problem was seeming to have those big nights in garbage time... Or in the 1st quarter and then doing nothing the rest of the game...


To your first point. I agree that he was inconsistent however he was more consistent than his teammates over the last couple of years aside from Lebron. Kuz had stretches of very consistent play when Ingram was on the shelf for instance. My guess is that the lack of any consistency in PT or role on the floor was partly to blame for all of the youth's inconsistencies. They never knew who'd they be on the floor with from game to game much less half to half.

To the second point. I disagree here. Kuz had huge 4th quarters in most of our big wins. His best scoring was typically in the first and 4th quarters. He had some real spark performances that changed game outcomes. This is the one thing I saw in him that I only saw in one of our other young guys.... Nance. Kuz scored at least 20 points in a game last year 29 times. We were 14-15 in those games. 8 of those winning games we won by at least 8 points while 7 of the losses were by that margin or more. That's well above our winning %. So, him getting 20 gave us a much better chance of winning. His biggest scoring game (41) he didn't play in the 4th quarter because we were winning in a blowout.

24 times he shot .357 or better from 3 last year..... we won 18 of those games! That's what we call positive correlation. 31 times in his rookies season with 16 wins.

It's my hope that a consistent role where he actually has a role other than floor spacer will open up some of what we've glimpsed in the past in bursts. He's shown he can score going to the hoop, in the paint, from midrange and from deep. He doesn't have much of a post game (understatement) but when he does drive with the ball he does have decent vision for a PF and can make some nice passes. With the dual isolation roles of Ingram and LeBron last year he had to score in a catch and shoot role more than not.

Defensively I'm seeing some growth in terms of knowing where to be and he's been good within the system. He still gambles and leaves his man and breaks the defense at times but he's not the horrendous defender he's being made out to be.

I'm fine with him playing this year out for us as the primary bench scorer. He's far from being one of our problems this year. Once the year's over his trade value will rise to next years salary then he becomes a piece we could trade if a PG is that important.... which to date I'd say it isn't.
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Re: Game 11: Los Angeles Lakers (8-2) vs Golden State Warriors (2-9) - 10:00 PM ET 

Post#195 » by tamaraw08 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:55 am

snaquille oatmeal wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
snaquille oatmeal wrote:Not talking about the Warriors, talking about a fictional team of ex Lakers picks, DLo, Randle, Ingram, Zo, Wagner, Zu.


Dlo, Randle, Ingram, Zu and a pure shooter at the 2, with Zo and Wagner off the bench would win some games with good coaching.

But we have a legit title contender, and as good as that team is, they aren't that, yet.

I liked a lot of those guys, but I like where we are right now better.
You can add Hart at the 2 and Nance to the bench. But my original thought is that these guys are better off individually fitting on different teams than all playing in the same team.

Orleans just upset the Clippers albeit without Kawhi but with George without Ingram, Ball and Hart, coincidence?

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