Game 10: Los Angeles Lakers (7-2) @ Phoenix Suns (6-3) - 9:00 PM ET

[Ball so hard]

I mean, were you expecting Gary Payton? He's never been a true stopper, or even elite. He's just a good, solid, above-average defender. Combine that with his 3-point percentage, it's not a surprise that he's got the third-best net rating on the team.

Nope, I expected more than a paltry .5 DWS from a guy who's lauded for his defense.

So he's basically KCP with better 3 point shooting?

If so, that would be no small thing. But Green's also got a 1.6 DBPM, substantially better than Pope's 0.4. (EDIT: Also, if Green keeps up that pace, he'll finish with the second-most def. win shares of his career.)

At 32, maybe Green's defense has slipped. I'm gonna need to see more, but that's entirely possible. Even so, pretty much every impact stat (net rating, overall BPM) has him among our better players this season. We could do better. We could -- and have, especially the aforementioned Pope -- also do a hell of a lot worse.

lol ok. I think we're all rooting for Green to do well. I think you made a mistake about .5 or 1.6 being one of Green's better season.

[Sedale Threatt]

Nope, I expected more than a paltry .5 DWS from a guy who's lauded for his defense.

So he's basically KCP with better 3 point shooting?

If so, that would be no small thing. But Green's also got a 1.6 DBPM, substantially better than Pope's 0.4. (EDIT: Also, if Green keeps up that pace, he'll finish with the second-most def. win shares of his career.)

At 32, maybe Green's defense has slipped. I'm gonna need to see more, but that's entirely possible. Even so, pretty much every impact stat (net rating, overall BPM) has him among our better players this season. We could do better. We could -- and have, especially the aforementioned Pope -- also do a hell of a lot worse.

lol ok. I think we're all rooting for Green to do well. I think you made a mistake about .5 or 1.6 being one of Green's better season.

Danny's got 0.5 def. win shares through 10 games. Keep that up, he'll end up with 4.0, which is just off his career best. His ave per 48 wouldn't nearly be that good, of course. He's middle of the pack there and a couple of other categories for his career, so that might not mean much. But it's not nothing.

[dockingsched]

May be my eyes are deceiving me but I love Green’s defense. He and Caruso are so smart in their positioning and rotations.

[LAKESHOW]

Count me in greens camp. Dude is ballin and is a valuable asset. His role is justified

[tamaraw08]

I mean, were you expecting Gary Payton? He's never been a true stopper, or even elite. He's just a good, solid, above-average defender. Combine that with his 3-point percentage, it's not a surprise that he's got the third-best net rating on the team.

Nope, I expected more than a paltry .5 DWS from a guy who's lauded for his defense.

So he's basically KCP with better 3 point shooting?

If so, that would be no small thing. But Green's also got a 1.6 DBPM, substantially better than Pope's 0.4. (EDIT: Also, if Green keeps up that pace, he'll finish with the second-most def. win shares of his career.)

At 32, maybe Green's defense has slipped. I'm gonna need to see more, but that's entirely possible. Even so, pretty much every impact stat (net rating, overall BPM) has him among our better players this season. We could do better. We could -- and have, especially the aforementioned Pope -- also do a hell of a lot worse.

so .5 DWS winshares is not good, really? He along with Howard have the 3rd highest DWS for a team that currently has the best DRTG.
Patrick Beverley AND KAWHI HAS BOTH .5 DWS, ARE THEY under performing on defense too? https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2020.html

[DEEP3CL]

May be my eyes are deceiving me but I love Green’s defense. He and Caruso are so smart in their positioning and rotations.

Then explain why Caruso gets torched by backdoor cuts?

His positioning is questionable most times.

[JVL]

Of course he's contributed. I'm not saying he's not a solid player... like Killroy, I just don't see a big impact on the defensive side when watching games.

I mean, were you expecting Gary Payton? He's never been a true stopper, or even elite. He's just a good, solid, above-average defender. Combine that with his 3-point percentage, it's not a surprise that he's got the third-best net rating on the team.

Nope, I expected more than a paltry .5 DWS from a guy who's lauded for his defense.

So he's basically KCP with better 3 point shooting?

.5 DWS at this point in the season puts you in the top 40 of the league. And place 20-40 are all at 0.5 DWS.

Some other names next to Green:

Jimmy Butler
Anunoby
Marc Gasol
Montrezl Harrell
Al Horford
Joe Ingles
Brook Lopez
KAT

Bradley and McGee also have 0.5 DWS btw. Danny is doing fine.

I'm not sure what you guys were expecting, but a guard who gives you >40% 3P shooting and above average defense is extremely rare. If we look at all guards in NBA history who scored at least 100 3 point shots at 40% or higher and had a DBPM of at least Danny his current 1.7 in a single season then we get:

Ginobili - 2008
Wesley Person - 1998
Kidd - 2009
Danny Green - 2015
Danny Green - 2014

That's it. Assuming he keeps up what he's doing right now his 2020 season will join that list. And those aren't really arbitrary stats either.

[tamaraw08]

I mean, were you expecting Gary Payton? He's never been a true stopper, or even elite. He's just a good, solid, above-average defender. Combine that with his 3-point percentage, it's not a surprise that he's got the third-best net rating on the team.

No a guy who's lauded for his defense.

So he's basically KCP with better 3 point shooting?

.5 DWS at this point in the season puts you in the top 40 of the league. And place 20-40 are all at 0.5 DWS.

Some other names next to Green:

Jimmy Butler
Anunoby
Marc Gasol
Montrezl Harrell
Al Horford
Joe Ingles
Brook Lopez
KAT

Bradley and McGee also have 0.5 DWS btw. Danny is doing fine.

I'm not sure what you guys were expecting, but a guard who gives you >40% 3P shooting and above average defense is extremely rare. If we look at all guards in NBA history who scored at least 100 3 point shots at 40% or higher and had a DBPM of at least Danny his current 1.7 in a single season then we get:

Ginobili - 2008
Wesley Person - 1998
Kidd - 2009
Danny Green - 2015
Danny Green - 2014

That's it. Assuming he keeps up what he's doing right now his 2020 season will join that list. And those aren't really arbitrary stats either.

Unfortunately there are posters who love certain Lakers like KCP whose been ridiculed because of his horrible performances lately. So they have a tendency to being down other Lakers to insinuate that they’re also underperforming.

[Ball so hard]

No a guy who's lauded for his defense.

So he's basically KCP with better 3 point shooting?

.5 DWS at this point in the season puts you in the top 40 of the league. And place 20-40 are all at 0.5 DWS.

Some other names next to Green:

Jimmy Butler
Anunoby
Marc Gasol
Montrezl Harrell
Al Horford
Joe Ingles
Brook Lopez
KAT

Bradley and McGee also have 0.5 DWS btw. Danny is doing fine.

I'm not sure what you guys were expecting, but a guard who gives you >40% 3P shooting and above average defense is extremely rare. If we look at all guards in NBA history who scored at least 100 3 point shots at 40% or higher and had a DBPM of at least Danny his current 1.7 in a single season then we get:

Ginobili - 2008
Wesley Person - 1998
Kidd - 2009
Danny Green - 2015
Danny Green - 2014

That's it. Assuming he keeps up what he's doing right now his 2020 season will join that list. And those aren't really arbitrary stats either.

Unfortunately there are posters who love certain Lakers like KCP whose been ridiculed because of his horrible performances lately. So they have a tendency to being down other Lakers to insinuate that they’re also underperforming.

It would be nearly impossible to fine anyone on this entire board who loves KCP... try to find another strawman. Ridiculed for his horrible performance lately... really?? KCP has been regularly criticized the minute he signed what many perceive to be too large a contract. I've regularly defended KCP against irrational posters like yourself, who constantly screams KCP is terrible and we should trade him. I neither like nor dislike KCP. I've consistently mentioned that KCP defense is good, especially against PGs. Even in this atrocious season he's having, his defense is still solid; offensively he's terrible. I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

[tamaraw08]

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.5 DWS at this point in the season puts you in the top 40 of the league. And place 20-40 are all at 0.5 DWS.

Some other names next to Green:

Jimmy Butler
Anunoby
Marc Gasol
Montrezl Harrell
Al Horford
Joe Ingles
Brook Lopez
KAT

Bradley and McGee also have 0.5 DWS btw. Danny is doing fine.

I'm not sure what you guys were expecting, but a guard who gives you >40% 3P shooting and above average defense is extremely rare. If we look at all guards in NBA history who scored at least 100 3 point shots at 40% or higher and had a DBPM of at least Danny his current 1.7 in a single season then we get:

Ginobili - 2008
Wesley Person - 1998
Kidd - 2009
Danny Green - 2015
Danny Green - 2014

That's it. Assuming he keeps up what he's doing right now his 2020 season will join that list. And those aren't really arbitrary stats either.

Unfortunately there are posters who love certain Lakers like KCP whose been ridiculed because of his horrible performances lately. So they have a tendency to being down other Lakers to insinuate that they’re also underperforming.

It would be nearly impossible to fine anyone on this entire board who loves KCP... try to find another strawman. Ridiculed for his horrible performance lately... really?? KCP has been regularly criticized the minute he signed what many perceive to be too large a contract. I've regularly defended KCP against irrational posters like yourself, who constantly screams KCP is terrible and we should trade him. I neither like nor dislike KCP. I've consistently mentioned that KCP defense is good, especially against PGs. Even in this atrocious season he's having, his defense is still solid; offensively he's terrible. I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Hey, I'm not the one who decided to create ANOTHER ADVANCED defensive stats put them in a spreadsheet completely IGNORING advanced stats put up by nerds from ESPN (REAL defensive plus/minus), Cleaningtheglass.com and basketballreference's DBPM AND DRTG so you can convince posters here that KCP was the BEST player to cover opposing PGs. You started from all players, a noted weak defender like Kuzma to show, "see guys, my study is accurate, he too is weak from my research". Then boom, you showed KCP and btw Caruso being really good in defending PGs. Then Rondo also looked good, which was odd to you and some here including me. Then you STOPPED!!!!,
Why? no more research for Daniels, Cook and Green? You didn't like the results? Or mission accomplished, you already convinced a few here that KCP is the best PG defender?
Then you get REALLY annoyed with the Caruso hype, which is understandable to me even tho I like Alex. I then brought up your own results about him actually proving he is actually a very good defender but your counter is well, he didn't really cover a ton of PG starters?.
Now you suggest that Green is not living up to expectations revealing his defensive winshares? that it's only .5?, Sedalethreat and JVL were very confused and did their own research which contradicted yours, and now you jump to defensive winshares/48?
Just FYI, WINSHARES/48, KCP is ranked 14th with Zach Norvell as the worst.

But do you know what is the most IRONIC about this? Kilroy was right, at some point you have to throw away some of these advanced stats and use your eye test which I have been doing since day 1 of this season.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I am now convinced THAT KCP is NOT HORRIBLE DEFENDER,that he is actually a pretty good one chasing quick guards etc.

[Ball so hard]

Unfortunately there are posters who love certain Lakers like KCP whose been ridiculed because of his horrible performances lately. So they have a tendency to being down other Lakers to insinuate that they’re also underperforming.

It would be nearly impossible to fine anyone on this entire board who loves KCP... try to find another strawman. Ridiculed for his horrible performance lately... really?? KCP has been regularly criticized the minute he signed what many perceive to be too large a contract. I've regularly defended KCP against irrational posters like yourself, who constantly screams KCP is terrible and we should trade him. I neither like nor dislike KCP. I've consistently mentioned that KCP defense is good, especially against PGs. Even in this atrocious season he's having, his defense is still solid; offensively he's terrible. I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Hey, I'm not the one who decided to create ANOTHER ADVANCED defensive stats put them in a spreadsheet completely IGNORING advanced stats put up by nerds from ESPN (REAL defensive plus/minus), Cleaningtheglass.com and basketballreference's DBPM AND DRTG so you can convince posters here that KCP was the BEST player to cover opposing PGs. You started from all players, a noted weak defender like Kuzma to show, "see guys, my study is accurate, he too is weak from my research". Then boom, you showed KCP and btw Caruso being really good in defending PGs. Then Rondo also looked good, which was odd to you and some here including me. Then you STOPPED!!!!,
Why? no more research for Daniels, Cook and Green? You didn't like the results? Or mission accomplished, you already convinced a few here that KCP is the best PG defender?
Then you get REALLY annoyed with the Caruso hype, which is understandable to me even tho I like Alex. I then brought up your own results about him actually proving he is actually a very good defender but your counter is well, he didn't really cover a ton of PG starters?.
Now you suggest that Green is not living up to expectations revealing his defensive winshares? that it's only .5?, Sedalethreat and JVL were very confused and did their own research which contradicted yours, and now you jump to defensive winshares/48?
Just FYI, WINSHARES/48, KCP is ranked 14th with Zach Norvell as the worst.

But do you know what is the most IRONIC about this? Kilroy was right, at some point you have to throw away some of these advanced stats and use your eye test which I have been doing since day 1 of this season.
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I am now convinced THAT KCP is NOT HORRIBLE DEFENDER,that he is actually a pretty good one chasing quick guards etc.

I don't even know where to begin with that word salad. I constantly find myself having a very hard time understanding much of what you're trying to convey, in part because you regularly make things up... i'm not even trying to be cute here. I give up!