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Re: LA Lakers vs Brooklyn Nets, Game #30, 2/18, 7:00 PM PT 

Post#21 » by Kilroy » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:15 am

ScHoolBoy B wrote:Even the guys at TNT are saying we need a rim protector, but according to some here we got Gasol doing a good job protecting...lol


The problem with your logic is that the fact that we need a rim protector (we do) is Marc's fault... he plays like 15min a game...
He was never supposed to be our primary defensive big... That was I think, supposed to be Harrell... Marc was supposed to be a big body we could throw in against the Jokic's and embiids of the world and to help facilitate from time to time...

But our Paint Defense is abysmal. And that's not just on Gasol... LeBron and Trez are terrible too... And Kuz isn't effective in the paint.

In any case, this game is basically over... Sit LeBron, Caruso, Marc and let the rest of the guys go...

BTW... Is KCP good at anything this season? For a while there he was hitting 3s but over the last 10 or so games, he's been the guy taking up minutes from a better guy...
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Re: LA Lakers vs Brooklyn Nets, Game #30, 2/18, 7:00 PM PT 

Post#22 » by iamworthy » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:27 am

Championships are not won in February. Ask the clippers. Relax
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Re: LA Lakers vs Brooklyn Nets, Game #30, 2/18, 7:00 PM PT 

Post#23 » by BEazy » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:32 am

Only 42 games left in the season. Let see if we can get rid of Kieff and Gasol. I don't care what anybody says, you don't want your last line of defense to be a dude that barely gets off the floor.
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Re: LA Lakers vs Brooklyn Nets, Game #30, 2/18, 7:00 PM PT 

Post#24 » by Kilroy » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:39 am

iamworthy wrote:Championships are not won in February. Ask the clippers. Relax


Yeah, and I think the whole All Star thing has been a little demotivational... Like if we have to play an extra game, let's take it easy until we get that out of the way... All except Bron... And we seriously need to do something about his minutes.

That said, my concern meter is starting to go up a bit now... We win based entirely on how effective LeBron is right now... That's not good... And at this rate, he's going to be a shell of himself by the time the playoffs roll around.
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Re: LA Lakers vs Brooklyn Nets, Game #30, 2/18, 7:00 PM PT 

Post#25 » by NoseBleedLakers » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:39 am

Nets 18-39 on threes vs the Lakers' hot garbage 8-30. 'Nuff said :lol:
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Post#26 » by Ballerhogger » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:40 am

I think it’s obvious we need another big . I think we need another shooter too cut Matthews. He’s done . If we have to trade Kuzma so be it ..... It obvious what our issues are shooting and athletic big. no Schroeder tonight was painful how Important he is to the team .
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Re: LA Lakers vs Brooklyn Nets, Game #30, 2/18, 7:00 PM PT 

Post#27 » by Ballerhogger » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:42 am

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iamworthy wrote:Championships are not won in February. Ask the clippers. Relax


Yeah, and I think the whole All Star thing has been a little demotivational... Like if we have to play an extra game, let's take it easy until we get that out of the way... All except Bron... And we seriously need to do something about his minutes.

That said, my concern meter is starting to go up a bit now... We win based entirely on how effective LeBron is right now... That's not good... And at this rate, he's going to be a shell of himself by the time the playoffs roll around.

Yea Vogel needs sit him more but how much say does he have? Feels like it’s Lebron thing there was no reason play him in the 4th.
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Re: LA Lakers vs Brooklyn Nets, Game #30, 2/18, 7:00 PM PT 

Post#28 » by mcscotty » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:43 am

Ballerhogger wrote:I think it’s obvious we need another big . I think we need another shooter too cut Matthews. He’s done . If we have to trade Kuzma so be it ..... It obvious what our issues are shooting and athletic big. no Schroeder tonight was painful how Important he is to the team .


Yeah. We don't have anyone to match up with guys like Jeff Green.
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Post#29 » by Ballerhogger » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:49 am

We need bounce back against a heat who aren’t the wolves but are not the nets middle of the road team .
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Post#30 » by Beethoven » Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:04 am

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Post#31 » by lalalaker » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:48 am

i think we can go back to last season where all of us were some what in doubt that lakers can win it all. This one game doesnt mean huge so lets see come playoff time when lakers kick into gear. I do however miss having howard because he was a big that wasnt afraid to use his size and wasnt that slow compared to gasol. marc really turned into a snail and i do see lakers having a bad start bc teams go to pick and roll off gasol and start hot from three. while i do see some area he is good at his negative far outweighs his positive and im sorry but had lakers gotten a chance to sign christian wood which i dont know for sure then lakers really missed a golden oppurtunity. lakers need to find a solution to their bad start cause its either bad defense and so so offense or bad offense and soso defense never can do both
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Re: LA Lakers vs Brooklyn Nets, Game #30, 2/18, 7:00 PM PT 

Post#32 » by Hans1984 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:12 am

Awfull. What happened to this team ? They turned from the best team in the league into a total dumpster fire in a couple of weeks. :nonono:
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Post#33 » by iamworthy » Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:32 pm

My only takeaway from this game is that Quinn cook played.
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Re: LA Lakers vs Brooklyn Nets, Game #30, 2/18, 7:00 PM PT 

Post#34 » by tamaraw08 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 5:37 pm

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ScHoolBoy B wrote:Even the guys at TNT are saying we need a rim protector, but according to some here we got Gasol doing a good job protecting...lol


The problem with your logic is that the fact that we need a rim protector (we do) is Marc's fault... he plays like 15min a game...
He was never supposed to be our primary defensive big... That was I think, supposed to be Harrell... Marc was supposed to be a big body we could throw in against the Jokic's and embiids of the world and to help facilitate from time to time...

But our Paint Defense is abysmal. And that's not just on Gasol... LeBron and Trez are terrible too... And Kuz isn't effective in the paint.

In any case, this game is basically over... Sit LeBron, Caruso, Marc and let the rest of the guys go...

BTW... Is KCP good at anything this season? For a while there he was hitting 3s but over the last 10 or so games, he's been the guy taking up minutes from a better guy...

Lakers currently ranks 21st in the league for points allowed in the paint and combine that with eye test and not investigating further then a casual fan would just proclaim that yes, the Lakers need RIM PROTECTION.
But let's examine other defensive numbers.
Lakers RANKS FIRST IN DRTG at 105.6 followed Utah at 106.9
Lakers TIES FIRST IN BLOCKS with the Pacers at 6.1 blocks/game!!! So what the hell is going on, why so many points allowed and yet RANKS FIRST in DRTG?
well they ranked FIRST IN FEWEST Free throw attempts allowed at 18.4/game. So while they allow layups/points in the paint, they also DO NOT FOUL A TON and SEND OPPONENTS TO SHOOT FTs. :banghead:
Here's another FUN STAT. Cleveland have 3 GREAT RIM PROTECTORS IN Drummond, Jarret and JMG are ALSO BAD ON POINTS IN THE PAINT ALLOWED ranks 20th and ranks 23rd IN DRTG!!!!
btw, Lakers last year with JMG AND Howard ranked 3rd in DRTG (106.3) AND ALLOWED 23 FTs/game which ranked 14th in the league.
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Re: LA Lakers vs Brooklyn Nets, Game #30, 2/18, 7:00 PM PT 

Post#35 » by SlimShady83 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:02 pm

Kilroy wrote:
ScHoolBoy B wrote:Even the guys at TNT are saying we need a rim protector, but according to some here we got Gasol doing a good job protecting...lol



BTW... Is KCP good at anything this season? For a while there he was hitting 3s but over the last 10 or so games, he's been the guy taking up minutes from a better guy...


KCP is only good for half a season.

Most of the other seasons he would only show up 2nd half of the season, this year he only seem to show up 1st half of the season which is why everyone was/is high on him this year, but honestly we can do better than KCP
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Post#36 » by Kilroy » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:13 pm

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ScHoolBoy B wrote:Even the guys at TNT are saying we need a rim protector, but according to some here we got Gasol doing a good job protecting...lol


The problem with your logic is that the fact that we need a rim protector (we do) is Marc's fault... he plays like 15min a game...
He was never supposed to be our primary defensive big... That was I think, supposed to be Harrell... Marc was supposed to be a big body we could throw in against the Jokic's and embiids of the world and to help facilitate from time to time...

But our Paint Defense is abysmal. And that's not just on Gasol... LeBron and Trez are terrible too... And Kuz isn't effective in the paint.

In any case, this game is basically over... Sit LeBron, Caruso, Marc and let the rest of the guys go...

BTW... Is KCP good at anything this season? For a while there he was hitting 3s but over the last 10 or so games, he's been the guy taking up minutes from a better guy...

Lakers currently ranks 21st in the league for points allowed in the paint and combine that with eye test and not investigating further then a casual fan would just proclaim that yes, the Lakers need RIM PROTECTION.
But let's examine other defensive numbers.
Lakers RANKS FIRST IN DRTG at 105.6 followed Utah at 106.9
Lakers TIES FIRST IN BLOCKS with the Pacers at 6.1 blocks/game!!! So what the hell is going on, why so many points allowed and yet RANKS FIRST in DRTG?
well they ranked FIRST IN FEWEST Free throw attempts allowed at 18.4/game. So while they allow layups/points in the paint, they also DO NOT FOUL A TON and SEND OPPONENTS TO SHOOT FTs. :banghead:
Here's another FUN STAT. Cleveland have 3 GREAT RIM PROTECTORS IN Drummond, Jarret and JMG are ALSO BAD ON POINTS IN THE PAINT ALLOWED ranks 20th and ranks 23rd IN DRTG!!!!
btw, Lakers last year with JMG AND Howard ranked 3rd in DRTG (106.3) AND ALLOWED 23 FTs/game which ranked 14th in the league.


It's 3 things really... It's that 'everyone' is just wrong about our need for Rim protection because the problem isn't keeping people from converting layups, it's keeping them from scoring in the paint in any way... Also, our blocks are mostly on jumpers beyond the paint... And it's the fact that our Defense is designed to funnel players into the paint, where AD or another big keep them from scoring, but this season, AD has been disengaging in the paint, and for multiple reasons, Marc has been chasing guys around outside the paint, rather than just staying home inside to protect the paint.

AD has looked almost loopy all season so far. Maybe being sidelined for a few weeks will get his fire back, but the only real way this issue is going away is if AD gets back in 2020 mode and starts taking defense down low seriously...
Aside from that, Trez has been a pretty big disappointment defensively... He never had a rep for D, but even so... He doesn't have as much to do on this team and still seems to let people blow by him regularly...
LeBron is not even thinking about Defense right now... Which is as it should be really, but come playoff time, he's going to need to be a much bigger factor.
Also, our perimeter guys aren't staying in front of their assignments... Kuz is great when he can lock in 1:1 on a guy about his size, who isn't quicker, but he's pretty terrible on switches, Schroder is good in the open court, but does weird things on screens. KCP looks about as good as he did this time last year, when everyone was begging for him to be gone... THT has the talent and instincts but he's young and making stupid mistakes...

So it's a bit naive to try to dump this all on Marc... A guy who plays like 16min a game and who is doing exactly what we should have expected of him... Only I think the defensive scheme, with all it's activity is putting a lot of our guys at a disadvantage... No practicing doesn't help either.
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Re: LA Lakers vs Brooklyn Nets, Game #30, 2/18, 7:00 PM PT 

Post#37 » by tamaraw08 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:27 pm

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The problem with your logic is that the fact that we need a rim protector (we do) is Marc's fault... he plays like 15min a game...
He was never supposed to be our primary defensive big... That was I think, supposed to be Harrell... Marc was supposed to be a big body we could throw in against the Jokic's and embiids of the world and to help facilitate from time to time...

But our Paint Defense is abysmal. And that's not just on Gasol... LeBron and Trez are terrible too... And Kuz isn't effective in the paint.

In any case, this game is basically over... Sit LeBron, Caruso, Marc and let the rest of the guys go...

BTW... Is KCP good at anything this season? For a while there he was hitting 3s but over the last 10 or so games, he's been the guy taking up minutes from a better guy...

Lakers currently ranks 21st in the league for points allowed in the paint and combine that with eye test and not investigating further then a casual fan would just proclaim that yes, the Lakers need RIM PROTECTION.
But let's examine other defensive numbers.
Lakers RANKS FIRST IN DRTG at 105.6 followed Utah at 106.9
Lakers TIES FIRST IN BLOCKS with the Pacers at 6.1 blocks/game!!! So what the hell is going on, why so many points allowed and yet RANKS FIRST in DRTG?
well they ranked FIRST IN FEWEST Free throw attempts allowed at 18.4/game. So while they allow layups/points in the paint, they also DO NOT FOUL A TON and SEND OPPONENTS TO SHOOT FTs. :banghead:
Here's another FUN STAT. Cleveland have 3 GREAT RIM PROTECTORS IN Drummond, Jarret and JMG are ALSO BAD ON POINTS IN THE PAINT ALLOWED ranks 20th and ranks 23rd IN DRTG!!!!
btw, Lakers last year with JMG AND Howard ranked 3rd in DRTG (106.3) AND ALLOWED 23 FTs/game which ranked 14th in the league.


It's 3 things really... It's that 'everyone' is just wrong about our need for Rim protection because the problem isn't keeping people from converting layups, it's keeping them from scoring in the paint in any way... Also, our blocks are mostly on jumpers beyond the paint... And it's the fact that our Defense is designed to funnel players into the paint, where AD or another big keep them from scoring, but this season,
*AD has been disengaging in the paint, and for multiple reasons, Marc has been chasing guys around outside the paint, rather than just staying home inside to protect the paint.

*AD has looked almost loopy all season so far. Maybe being sidelined for a few weeks will get his fire back, but the only real way this issue is going away is if AD gets back in 2020 mode and starts taking defense down low seriously...
Aside from that,-

*Trez has been a pretty big disappointment defensively...
He never had a rep for D, but even so... He doesn't have as much to do on this team and still seems to let people blow by him regularly...
-LeBron is not even thinking about Defense right now...
Also, our perimeter guys aren't staying in front of their assignments...
* Kuz is great when he can lock in 1:1 on a guy about his size, who isn't quicker, but he's pretty terrible on switches, -*Schroder is good in the open court, but does weird things on screens. KCP looks about as good as he did this time last year, when everyone was begging for him to be gone... THT has the talent and instincts but he's young and making stupid mistakes...

So it's a bit naive to try to dump this all on Marc... A guy who plays like 16min a game and who is doing exactly what we should have expected of him... Only I think the defensive scheme, with all it's activity is putting a lot of our guys at a disadvantage... No practicing doesn't help either.

Yikes, so many things are wrong and yet the Lakers are ranked first in DRTG. Would Laker fans feel much better if they just foul opponents so they don't get layups then? Also again, Cleveland has 3 ball swatters, great rim protectors and yet are bad on DRTG, go figure. Lakers had both JMG AND Howard last year but allowed more points/100 possessions.
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Re: LA Lakers vs Brooklyn Nets, Game #30, 2/18, 7:00 PM PT 

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iamworthy wrote:Championships are not won in February. Ask the clippers. Relax


Yeah, and I think the whole All Star thing has been a little demotivational... Like if we have to play an extra game, let's take it easy until we get that out of the way... All except Bron... And we seriously need to do something about his minutes.

That said, my concern meter is starting to go up a bit now... We win based entirely on how effective LeBron is right now... That's not good... And at this rate, he's going to be a shell of himself by the time the playoffs roll around.

Yea Vogel needs sit him more but how much say does he have? Feels like it’s Lebron thing there was no reason play him in the 4th.

That man wants to catch Kareem and Malone. Frank knows that.
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