Lonzo Ball coming home

[tamaraw08]

is a shroder sign and trade doable with a Ball sign and trade?

Ask emplay... I think he'll say there are tremendous hurdles. Dennis wants an amount that NOLA doesn't want in return and they are looking to move a guard because they feel they don't need a guard.

f'it I'll ask him

Schroder is in for a humbling realization that teams will not give him the $ he is asking or anything close to it. I bet teams would rather go after Payne, Reggie Jackson who are cheaper and more importantly can shoot and space the floor. I predict Pelinka would offer a compromise, as in dare Dennis to bet on himself, sign a 1 + 1 deal to prove his "value".
The question is, should Rob trade assets like KCP/Kuz, picks to acquire Ball? or use those assets to get a legit shooter like Brogdon or Hield? Pelinka would have to do a lot of maneuverings around these trade rules to make things happen like involving 2-3 other teams to cooperate.
My main issue with Lonzo is his inability to play many games, the guy has FAILED to play 80% of the total games and for some fans here who thinks he got his stroke figured out, please note that Schroder also shot 38.5 3pt% the season before Pelinka traded for him.

[Kupchak9]

is a shroder sign and trade doable with a Ball sign and trade?

Ask emplay... I think he'll say there are tremendous hurdles. Dennis wants an amount that NOLA doesn't want in return and they are looking to move a guard because they feel they don't need a guard.

f'it I'll ask him

Schroder is in for a humbling realization that teams will not give him the $ he is asking or anything close to it. I bet teams would rather go after Payne, Reggie Jackson who are cheaper and more importantly can shoot and space the floor. I predict Pelinka would offer a compromise, as in dare Dennis to bet on himself, sign a 1 + 1 deal to prove his "value".
The question is, should Rob trade assets like KCP/Kuz, picks to acquire Ball? or use those assets to get a legit shooter like Brogdon or Hield? Pelinka would have to do a lot of maneuverings around these trade rules to make things happen like involving 2-3 other teams to cooperate.
My main issue with Lonzo is his inability to play many games, the guy has FAILED to play 80% of the total games and for some fans here who thinks he got his stroke figured out, please note that Schroder also shot 38.5 3pt% the season before Pelinka traded for him.

Volume and sample size make a big difference here. It's easy to have a nice ratio when you're not shooting much while also getting setup by Chris Paul for open looks. Dennis is a crap shooter like nearing Westbrook level bad. That was an outlier season for Dennis.

Lonzo has made as many 3s in the last 2 seasons as Dennis has in the last 3 seasons.

Lonzo in 118 games:
320 made 3s
850 attempted 3s
About 2.7 M / 7.2 A per game
37.64% above league average at 36.7%.

Dennis in 201 games:
320 made 3s
901 attempted 3s
About 1.6 M / 4.5 A per game
35.51% below league average at 36.7%

Comparing Lonzo's 2 seasons vs Dennis's 3 seasons, Dennis played 83 more games but still can't make more 3s and shot at a substantially worse rate.

[tamaraw08]

Ask emplay... I think he'll say there are tremendous hurdles. Dennis wants an amount that NOLA doesn't want in return and they are looking to move a guard because they feel they don't need a guard.

f'it I'll ask him

Schroder is in for a humbling realization that teams will not give him the $ he is asking or anything close to it. I bet teams would rather go after Payne, Reggie Jackson who are cheaper and more importantly can shoot and space the floor. I predict Pelinka would offer a compromise, as in dare Dennis to bet on himself, sign a 1 + 1 deal to prove his "value".
The question is, should Rob trade assets like KCP/Kuz, picks to acquire Ball? or use those assets to get a legit shooter like Brogdon or Hield? Pelinka would have to do a lot of maneuverings around these trade rules to make things happen like involving 2-3 other teams to cooperate.
My main issue with Lonzo is his inability to play many games, the guy has FAILED to play 80% of the total games and for some fans here who thinks he got his stroke figured out, please note that Schroder also shot 38.5 3pt% the season before Pelinka traded for him.

Volume and sample size make a big difference here. It's easy to have a nice ratio when you're not shooting much while also getting setup by Chris Paul for open looks. Dennis is a crap shooter like nearing Westbrook level bad. That was an outlier season for Dennis.

Lonzo has made as many 3s in the last 2 seasons as Dennis has in the last 3 seasons.

Lonzo in 118 games:
320 made 3s
850 attempted 3s
About 2.7 M / 7.2 A per game
37.64% above league average at 36.7%.

Dennis in 201 games:
320 made 3s
901 attempted 3s
About 1.6 M / 4.5 A per game
35.51% below league average at 36.7%

Comparing Lonzo's 2 seasons vs Dennis's 3 seasons, Dennis played 83 more games but still can't make more 3s and shot at a substantially worse rate.

whoah, bravo with that extensive research . I constantly defended this kid from haters when he was here but I must admit that I there was a feeling of relief when he got traded. I told my friends before that If Lonzo wasn't missing games, he was missing 3's and FTs. He moved a smaller market team with much less pressure to produce. Most teams dared him to take those shots and shooting 37.8% from 3 was impressive but still..You will likely get some kind of rhythm if you take 12.5 wide open 3's/100 possessions for a team not expected to win many games with so much attention on Zion and Ingram.
Another concern for me is that he takes only 15% of his total attempts/game attacking the basket from 0-3 feet. The question is if he moves back to a contender, the microscope is back, Lebron elects to pass him the ball and defense get tighter as they try to close in, what is he going to do?
By the way, he missed 16 games again? What were the injuries that he nursed again? If he comes back, as a Lakers fan, I would hope and pray that he step up and get healthier.

[fteru6uhre54ew]

It's not only the outside shot is more that one guy is a ballhog with the ball sticked in his hands who doesn't have anything of a PG and the other is an unselfish player with great IQ who know to play without the ball and is a really good Point guard.

One is small and a liability in the rebound battle the other is a big guard who can defend multiple positions and is a plus in the rebound battle.

[Ball so hard]

Schroder is in for a humbling realization that teams will not give him the $ he is asking or anything close to it. I bet teams would rather go after Payne, Reggie Jackson who are cheaper and more importantly can shoot and space the floor. I predict Pelinka would offer a compromise, as in dare Dennis to bet on himself, sign a 1 + 1 deal to prove his "value".
The question is, should Rob trade assets like KCP/Kuz, picks to acquire Ball? or use those assets to get a legit shooter like Brogdon or Hield? Pelinka would have to do a lot of maneuverings around these trade rules to make things happen like involving 2-3 other teams to cooperate.
My main issue with Lonzo is his inability to play many games, the guy has FAILED to play 80% of the total games and for some fans here who thinks he got his stroke figured out, please note that Schroder also shot 38.5 3pt% the season before Pelinka traded for him.

Volume and sample size make a big difference here. It's easy to have a nice ratio when you're not shooting much while also getting setup by Chris Paul for open looks. Dennis is a crap shooter like nearing Westbrook level bad. That was an outlier season for Dennis.

Lonzo has made as many 3s in the last 2 seasons as Dennis has in the last 3 seasons.

Lonzo in 118 games:
320 made 3s
850 attempted 3s
About 2.7 M / 7.2 A per game
37.64% above league average at 36.7%.

Dennis in 201 games:
320 made 3s
901 attempted 3s
About 1.6 M / 4.5 A per game
35.51% below league average at 36.7%

Comparing Lonzo's 2 seasons vs Dennis's 3 seasons, Dennis played 83 more games but still can't make more 3s and shot at a substantially worse rate.

whoah, bravo with that extensive research . I constantly defended this kid from haters when he was here but I must admit that I there was a feeling of relief when he got traded. I told my friends before that If Lonzo wasn't missing games, he was missing 3's and FTs. He moved a smaller market team with much less pressure to produce. Most teams dared him to take those shots and shooting 37.8% from 3 was impressive but still..You will likely get some kind of rhythm if you take 12.5 wide open 3's/100 possessions for a team not expected to win many games with so much attention on Zion and Ingram.
Another concern for me is that he takes only 15% of his total attempts/game attacking the basket from 0-3 feet. The question is if he moves back to a contender, the microscope is back, Lebron elects to pass him the ball and defense get tighter as they try to close in, what is he going to do?
By the way, he missed 16 games again? What were the injuries that he nursed again? If he comes back, as a Lakers fan, I would hope and pray that he step up and get healthier.

Everything you've said about Lonzo is accurate. Lonzo is a marginal upgrade over Schroder at best. Lonzo doesn't move the needle enough to justify being hard capped. Schröder is the more well-rounded offensive player. Lonzo is the better shooter from 3. Lonzo is almost useless on offense if his shot isn't falling. They're both pretty good defenders... Lonzo is a bit more versatile due to his size. In a vacuum Lonzo is the better fit for our team. However, it's probably not ideal to add another injury prone player. It's probably a safe bet to pencil in AD and Bron to miss 25 games per season going forward. Though he's an injury risk also, I'd much rather go after Lowry since he offers much more than both Lonzo and Schröder.

[iamworthy]

Lakers need another guy that can get 20pts on his own.

[tamaraw08]

Volume and sample size make a big difference here. It's easy to have a nice ratio when you're not shooting much while also getting setup by Chris Paul for open looks. Dennis is a crap shooter like nearing Westbrook level bad. That was an outlier season for Dennis.

Lonzo has made as many 3s in the last 2 seasons as Dennis has in the last 3 seasons.

Lonzo in 118 games:
320 made 3s
850 attempted 3s
About 2.7 M / 7.2 A per game
37.64% above league average at 36.7%.

Dennis in 201 games:
320 made 3s
901 attempted 3s
About 1.6 M / 4.5 A per game
35.51% below league average at 36.7%

Comparing Lonzo's 2 seasons vs Dennis's 3 seasons, Dennis played 83 more games but still can't make more 3s and shot at a substantially worse rate.

whoah, bravo with that extensive research . I constantly defended this kid from haters when he was here but I must admit that I there was a feeling of relief when he got traded. I told my friends before that If Lonzo wasn't missing games, he was missing 3's and FTs. He moved a smaller market team with much less pressure to produce. Most teams dared him to take those shots and shooting 37.8% from 3 was impressive but still..You will likely get some kind of rhythm if you take 12.5 wide open 3's/100 possessions for a team not expected to win many games with so much attention on Zion and Ingram.
Another concern for me is that he takes only 15% of his total attempts/game attacking the basket from 0-3 feet. The question is if he moves back to a contender, the microscope is back, Lebron elects to pass him the ball and defense get tighter as they try to close in, what is he going to do?
By the way, he missed 16 games again? What were the injuries that he nursed again? If he comes back, as a Lakers fan, I would hope and pray that he step up and get healthier.

Everything you've said about Lonzo is accurate. Lonzo is a marginal upgrade over Schroder at best. Lonzo doesn't move the needle enough to justify being hard capped. Schröder is the more well-rounded offensive player. Lonzo is the better shooter from 3. Lonzo is almost useless on offense if his shot isn't falling. They're both pretty good defenders... Lonzo is a bit more versatile due to his size. In a vacuum Lonzo is the better fit for our team. However, it's probably not ideal to add another injury prone player. It's probably a safe bet to pencil in AD and Bron to miss 25 games per season going forward. Though he's an injury risk also, I'd much rather go after Lowry since he offers much more than both Lonzo and Schröder.

Yeah, I'm a bit skeptical about Lonzo's improved 3pt shooting. If he comes here, the spot light will again be on him, if he hits a couple, his defenders might be a little closer, enough to bother his vision then what?
Last season, he only took 15.3% of his total shots from 0-3 feet, a combined 12% from 3-10 feet and even the best shooters go on shooting slumps. Let me just say again that if he does indeed come here to the Lakers, I would be hoping that he does indeed corrected his shooting form and stay consistent and be healthier.

[IgorK]

I like Zo's game (could be All-NBA on D with proper tutelage) but he's just not what we need. He's terrible in running half-court offense and he can't create his own scoring opportunities.