dice wrote:LAL1947 wrote:dice wrote:most people don't seem to understand that taking a lot of shots and thus scoring a lot of points does not make someone a great scorer. missing a lot of shots is...wait for it...bad! luka doncic is currently NOT an elite scorer. i assume that he'll get there, but he's not there now. cp3 doesn't take nearly as many shots, but when he does he's significantly more likely to PUT IT IN THE HOLE
most people also don't seem to understand that defense matters. a hell of a lot. luka doncic is a mediocre defender. cp3 has been an OUTSTANDING defender over the course of his career. huge advantage cp3
finally, most people don't seem to understand that a point guard with a high assist-to-turnover ratio does wonders for an offense. you shouldn't have to look beyond your very own team to recognize that. magic johnson's career #s per 100 possessions:
25/9/15/5to 61%TS
cp3:
27/7/14/4 58%TS
slight edge to magic? not when you factor in defense
are you going to tell me i'm "tripping" when i tell you that magic johnson was better for the '80s lakers than luka doncic would have been? because if you say that otherwise in this forum you're likely to get seriously flamed. and rightfully so. yet it's pretty much the same thing you just said in your post when you disrespected cp3
know how many shoot first point guards have led their team to a championship in the HISTORY of the nba? A: exactly ONE. stephen curry. luka is not steph curry. not particularly close. not yet. can't just take more shots. gotta MAKE more shots
i hope that cp3 doesn't leave phoenix to hunt easier championships like the lebrons and durants and ADs of the world. but on the other hand, if he does, yet another team that cp3 leaves will find themselves in a world of hurt. maybe that's what it will take for people like yourself to finally get the message
You seem to have a lot of opinions on what "most people don't seem to understand"... perhaps, I should point out that you don't seem to see greatness until it smacks you in the head... or until you have the benefit of hindsight. There is not a player in the league who the Mavs would trade Luka for, with good reason.
you just changed the subject. unsurprisingAnyway, most of this post is subjective, as in you're making up "facts" and using them as the basis for your argument
things like total shot percentage and assist to turnover ratio are not "facts". they are facts. not subjective. completely OBjective.
learn the differenceFor example: 1) hypothestizing that I think Luka is a great scorer because he puts up points alone
i never said that. you're lying. i merely said that points alone are NOT THE WHOLE STORYrather than looking at the level of each of his skills that allows him to score in so many different ways against anyone at any time...
the only scoring skill that matters is putting it in the hole. i don't give a good goddamn whether a guy can put his defender in the spin cycle en route to missing the shotsaying that he is a "shoot first point guard" who "just takes a lot of shots", while ignoring everything else he does...
another lie. i never said that luka "just takes a lot of shots." fake quote. i was speaking in generalities. nor did i ignore the other things that he does. YOU'RE ignoring the importance of defense. and turnovers, while focusing on the basic points/rebounds/assists stat line, which you were quite happy to cite in your initial post while ignoring important context3) that example regarding Magic, which I do not understand at all...
that doesn't surprise me. it was pretty basic, though: cp3 provides the same show-running abilities that magic did, can hit the open jumper just like magic did, and plays way better defense. just doesn't rebound like magic. very similar players in terms of their impact on a game. magic was just more fun to watch. and luka probably wouldn't have won 5 titles playing in his place in the '80s. and that's down to the importance of pass first point guards when he has teammates that are capable scorers. which is not to say that luka is playing the wrong way, particularly with his current teamAnd you're saying all that while ignoring the caliber/talent of the teammates on their respective teams in this playoffs (i.e., Mavs vs Suns).
not ignoring it at all. you made that up. did i say that cp3 would have taken the mavs to the finals? no, i did not. what i said was that cp3 THIS SEASON was marginally better equipped to take the suns where they went than luka would have beenAlso, I did not diss CP3, he was great in his own prime... but in his prime, he is no longer.
he was greatER in his prime, but chris paul was great this season. to not acknowledge that is a display of stupefying ignoranceDon't live in the past when you make this comparison AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME. I'd rather not get further into long-drawn discussions of this sort... so toodles.
you JUST made the argument that the mavs wouldn't trade luka for anyone else. why is that? because he is the FUTURE. many years of greatness ahead. chris paul was just the main factor in transforming the suns into a finals team. that IS the present. will he have the same mojo next season? i don't know. time will tell
good riddance to illogic and lies
Man, you're deluded, lol. You're now saying that you didn't say the things that I've literally quoted from your own post. Everyone of those quotes is directly taken from your previous post. The rest of the world is already discussing Luka as one of the 5 best players aged 22 ever, along with Lebron, Magic, Shaq and Kareem... not just in the last season but since the beginning of the league... and not because of his potential but because of what he's doing on the court right now... while you think a 36 year old CP3 is better at this time and are so condescending to people who feel otherwise? Well, have fun on your deserted island with CP3 posters everywhere.
