Poll: Save Frank or not

[stan francisco]

At this point we have to acknowledge it's a matter of coaching as well.

Only Lebron played up to his par on the season and Monk exceeded expectations. Every single other piece we have has been underwhelming. And you can put the blame on the players all you want, but the coach needs to do a better job of getting all he can out of his guys as well.

Vogel hasn't done that. He needs to go.

I beg to differ.

For one and a half quarter the other night, we outplayed the Bucks. The ball was swung around, passes were crisp and quick, defensive rotations and intensity was crisp. Westbrook and LBJ were on the bench for much of it. They played great.

It’s not the coaching. Austin Reaves and Stanley Johnson proved that in that 23-4 run (or whatever it was)

Both Westbrook and LeBron are ball hogs.the coach can preach pass the ball all he wants. It’s not up to the coach if LBJ walks it up and goes for a late clock capitulation three.

Adding Westbrook was a really dumb idea — it’s like choosing two toppings for your hot dog and making it ketchup and ketchup. Why add a ball hog when we already have LeBron? That’s not on Frank.

[stan francisco]

At this point we have to acknowledge it's a matter of coaching as well.

Only Lebron played up to his par on the season and Monk exceeded expectations. Every single other piece we have has been underwhelming. And you can put the blame on the players all you want, but the coach needs to do a better job of getting all he can out of his guys as well.

Vogel hasn't done that. He needs to go.

I beg to differ.

For one and a half quarter the other night, we outplayed the Bucks. The ball was swung around, passes were crisp and quick, defensive rotations and intensity was crisp. Westbrook and LBJ were on the bench for much of it. The “others” played great.

It’s not the coaching. Austin Reaves and Stanley Johnson proved that in that 23-4 run (or whatever it was). Watch the second half of that game.


Both Westbrook and LeBron are ball hogs.Any coach can preach pass the ball all he wants. It’s not up to the coach if LBJ walks it up and goes for a late clock capitulation three.

Adding Westbrook was a really dumb idea — it’s like choosing two toppings for your hot dog and making it ketchup and ketchup. Why add a ball hog when we already have LeBron controlling all plays? That’s not on Frank.

[euphorbus]

I beg to differ.

For one and a half quarter the other night, we outplayed the Bucks. The ball was swung around, passes were crisp and quick, defensive rotations and intensity was crisp. Westbrook and LBJ were on the bench for much of it. The “others” played great.

It’s not the coaching. Austin Reaves and Stanley Johnson proved that in that 23-4 run (or whatever it was). Watch the second half of that game.


Both Westbrook and LeBron are ball hogs.Any coach can preach pass the ball all he wants. It’s not up to the coach if LBJ walks it up and goes for a late clock capitulation three.

This concurs with my post under "Illness Affecting the Lakers,"on the differing offensive styles among the players on the team & how difficult it is to get them to mesh.

[MAMBAEMD]

Where the team has truly regressed is on defense. Russ and LBJ are defensive liabilities and AD has definitely not been the type of defensive factor that he has been in the past albeit he has been injured and out a lot.

Because of the porous defense , we fall behind significantly and can’t catch up.
Vogel is a defensive coach so he’ll take the fall, but defense is mostly heart and hustle , and at least on that end, LBJ, Russ, and Melo are huge liabilities .

[tamaraw08]

Where the team has truly regressed is on defense. Russ and LBJ are defensive liabilities and AD has definitely not been the type of defensive factor that he has been in the past albeit he has been injured and out a lot.

Because of the porous defense , we fall behind significantly and can’t catch up.
Vogel is a defensive coach so he’ll take the fall, but defense is mostly heart and hustle , and at least on that end, LBJ, Russ, and Melo are huge liabilities .

You can add Monk to the list of bad defenders. Vogel tried to play his guys, Bradley, Reaves, Johnson etc so he has a say on who should play. In hindsight, playing DJ was a mistake, benching Westbrook and Monk every time they get burned, making AD and lebron more accountable would have helped IMO.
I believe Fizdale was brought in to help improve the offense too, Pelinka brought in shooters but there was a huge disconnect between him and Vogel on what direction the team should go bec Frank wouldn't even play Ellington even if he was shooting 39% from 3.

[ROballer]

At this point we have to acknowledge it's a matter of coaching as well.

Only Lebron played up to his par on the season and Monk exceeded expectations. Every single other piece we have has been underwhelming. And you can put the blame on the players all you want, but the coach needs to do a better job of getting all he can out of his guys as well.

Vogel hasn't done that. He needs to go.

I beg to differ.

For one and a half quarter the other night, we outplayed the Bucks. The ball was swung around, passes were crisp and quick, defensive rotations and intensity was crisp. Westbrook and LBJ were on the bench for much of it. The “others” played great.

It’s not the coaching. Austin Reaves and Stanley Johnson proved that in that 23-4 run (or whatever it was). Watch the second half of that game.


Both Westbrook and LeBron are ball hogs.Any coach can preach pass the ball all he wants. It’s not up to the coach if LBJ walks it up and goes for a late clock capitulation three.

Adding Westbrook was a really dumb idea — it’s like choosing two toppings for your hot dog and making it ketchup and ketchup. Why add a ball hog when we already have LeBron controlling all plays? That’s not on Frank.

Please. You're basing your argument on one and a half quarter? Seriously.

I bet even Westbrook looked playable for one and a half quarters at a time on occasions. Not often but on occasions.
You judge the whole season, not parts of it. All of the guys not named Lebron(on offense) and Monk have been subpar.

Vogel hasn't gotten enough out of them and that's a fact. And it's not even a this year thing, look at last year.
Look at Kuzma now vs Kuzma of last year. You can tell me all you want it's about the player but the coach and coaching in general plays a major part as well.

Vogel is far from a must keep entity, get **** real. I'm not saying a new coach can do better. He might not. I don't see how he's gonna do worse though, this is rock bottom right now. I don't see how we can be any worse.

But it's clear at this point the guy has lost the lockerroom. And he's not gonna keep his job for much longer regardless if you and I agree to disagree on a random forum or not. It's almost a certainty at this point. We're 4 games under .500.

His ass is on his way out.

[stan francisco]

At this point we have to acknowledge it's a matter of coaching as well.

Only Lebron played up to his par on the season and Monk exceeded expectations. Every single other piece we have has been underwhelming. And you can put the blame on the players all you want, but the coach needs to do a better job of getting all he can out of his guys as well.

Vogel hasn't done that. He needs to go.

I beg to differ.

For one and a half quarter the other night, we outplayed the Bucks. The ball was swung around, passes were crisp and quick, defensive rotations and intensity was crisp. Westbrook and LBJ were on the bench for much of it. The “others” played great.

It’s not the coaching. Austin Reaves and Stanley Johnson proved that in that 23-4 run (or whatever it was). Watch the second half of that game.


Both Westbrook and LeBron are ball hogs.Any coach can preach pass the ball all he wants. It’s not up to the coach if LBJ walks it up and goes for a late clock capitulation three.

Adding Westbrook was a really dumb idea — it’s like choosing two toppings for your hot dog and making it ketchup and ketchup. Why add a ball hog when we already have LeBron controlling all plays? That’s not on Frank.

Please. You're basing your argument on one and a half quarter? Seriously.

I bet even Westbrook looked playable for one and a half quarters at a time on occasions. Not often but on occasions.
You judge the whole season, not parts of it. All of the guys not named Lebron(on offense) and Monk have been subpar.

Vogel hasn't gotten enough out of them and that's a fact. And it's not even a this year thing, look at last year.
Look at Kuzma now vs Kuzma of last year. You can tell me all you want it's about the player but the coach and coaching in general plays a major part as well.

Vogel is far from a must keep entity, get **** real. I'm not saying a new coach can do better. He might not. I don't see how he's gonna do worse though, this is rock bottom right now. I don't see how we can be any worse.

But it's clear at this point the guy has lost the lockerroom. And he's not gonna keep his job for much longer regardless if you and I agree to disagree on a random forum or not. It's almost a certainty at this point. We're 4 games under .500.

His ass is on his way out.

If by playoffs time you are still correct, sure. Not judging half a game, judging tendencies and improvements. We’ve sucked ass until now.

The same exact thing happened against GSW. Watch it happen in every game from now on. The bench mob play as they’re coached to play. The starters do whatever the f they want. Not on Frank,

Regardless of lack of discipline defensively by LBJ, RW, Monk, Melo, Howard, I’ve said it since day one this season, if we make it into the playoffs, we can win it all.

That’s when LBJ will start playing defense. That’s when AD will start beasting (I hope). That’s when players like Ariza, Bradley, Melo, Howard etc turn it up a notch.

Nunn hasn’t even played a game.

I know it’s late in the game but I think we can turn it around. Nunn needs to come back soon and take over some of RW’s minutes in the fourth.

The question remains for those who want him gone: whom do you replace Frank with?

[Reflexx]

Bring on coach Gilbert Arenas!

[Beethoven]

Yeah I believe Frank is a lame duck coach at the moment. FO is trying to find the right candidate before giving him the boot. I agree above that he has lost the team/locker room and is not someone who can get the most out of the potential of the team/each individual player.
I actually think the first year team gelling was a fluke/ great timing coincidence, and the championship is not a consequence of his coaching.

[stan francisco]

Bring on coach Gilbert Arenas!

As long as Fizdale is kicked to the curb. That guy has toxic vibes, doesn’t understand ball.

[tamaraw08]

Losing to the Clippers without their top 3 players? 8 freaking days to prepare draw the best set-plays possible and they jack up how many 3's again? The last win over the Jazz was bec of Lebron making 3's and Utah missing shots.
Vogel's strategy is......give the ball to Lebron and hope and pray others make their 3's. Even the season they won it all, Lakers was ranked 11th in ORTG, the lowest by champs in the past 11 years or so.... no creativity at all.

[stan francisco]

I beg to differ.

For one and a half quarter the other night, we outplayed the Bucks. The ball was swung around, passes were crisp and quick, defensive rotations and intensity was crisp. Westbrook and LBJ were on the bench for much of it. The “others” played great.

It’s not the coaching. Austin Reaves and Stanley Johnson proved that in that 23-4 run (or whatever it was). Watch the second half of that game.


Both Westbrook and LeBron are ball hogs.Any coach can preach pass the ball all he wants. It’s not up to the coach if LBJ walks it up and goes for a late clock capitulation three.

This concurs with my post under "Illness Affecting the Lakers,"on the differing offensive styles among the players on the team & how difficult it is to get them to mesh.

I’ll have to read it.