Game 43: LA Lakers at Denver Nuggets Jan. 15, 2022 8:00

[danfantastk32]

Looks like I smoked one out.

I didn't say he wasn't good did I? He filled a roll very well and was better than most thought he would be. In the years since he was here he has to be the most mentioned former Laker name by a good margin. Likable and hardworking... more so than Horry for that matter. I think MWP filled that role well too. Not as stable as Ariza but that was part of the mystique.

Yeah....I dug Artest just as much. I really wish we coulda had the 2 of them back then.

[tamaraw08]

Again if Ariza is that horrible, how come a smart coach like Spoelstra played him for 29 mins/game. Is Eric a much smarter tactician who knew exactly how to maximize his strength and mask his weaknesses?
Or Did he get carried by Superstars in Miami?
Vogel is not a bad coach, some of the current players are not bad either IMO. For me, it's like this team is been infected by a lazy virus that makes them dumb at the same time.
A healthy Nunn would be utilized well with other good focussed teams.
Ariza can play 12 decent minutes. Even if you trade for Jerami Grant, this team still loses with the lack of energy and focus they are showing.

Really don't know what kind of argument is that... flip it around you have, "he played 29 minutes under a smart coach he must've been really good or contributed tremendously." I posted stats that show he's been on a steady decline the past three years. You're a stat guy. Why don't you post something to back up your argument instead of conveniently using your bogus Spoelstra argument. No one would argue that Ariza can play 12 decent minutes. It's the notion that he can contribute significantly that's laughable.

Smush Parker went from being a starter under Phil to basically being out of the league one year later... there are countless similar examples.

You posted Ariza's stats? where?, sorry I missed it. I respect your analytic mind and that is why I kinda needed more specific reasons why this team is a "joke" esp Trevor. Coaches will play the players that they think that would give them the best chance of winning, unless the owner/GM is heavily pressuring them to use certain players.
Of course Phil would use Smush bec his back up the first year he was here was the freaking 21 year old Vujacic who is actually more of a spot up shooter. The difference IMO is that Spoelstra could have used Robinson,Iggi, Butler, Achiuwa etc more and just simply bench Ariza if he plainly sucks but he didn't.
If you say Ariza is a lot slower, no lift, makes bad decisions, poor shooter, then fine, I agree with you, but again, sorry for missing the stats you pointed out.

[stan francisco]

Again if Ariza is that horrible, how come a smart coach like Spoelstra played him for 29 mins/game. Is Eric a much smarter tactician who knew exactly how to maximize his strength and mask his weaknesses?
Or Did he get carried by Superstars in Miami?
Vogel is not a bad coach, some of the current players are not bad either IMO. For me, it's like this team is been infected by a lazy virus that makes them dumb at the same time.
A healthy Nunn would be utilized well with other good focussed teams.
Ariza can play 12 decent minutes. Even if you trade for Jerami Grant, this team still loses with the lack of energy and focus they are showing.

Really don't know what kind of argument is that... flip it around you have, "he played 29 minutes under a smart coach he must've been really good or contributed tremendously." I posted stats that show he's been on a steady decline the past three years. You're a stat guy. Why don't you post something to back up your argument instead of conveniently using your bogus Spoelstra argument. No one would argue that Ariza can play 12 decent minutes. It's the notion that he can contribute significantly that's laughable.

Smush Parker went from being a starter under Phil to basically being out of the league one year later... there are countless similar examples.

You posted Ariza's stats? where?, sorry I missed it. I respect your analytic mind and that is why I kinda needed more specific reasons why this team is a "joke" esp Trevor. Coaches will play the players that they think that would give them the best chance of winning, unless the owner/GM is heavily pressuring them to use certain players.
Of course Phil would use Smush bec his back up the first year he was here was the freaking 21 year old Vujacic who is actually more of a spot up shooter. The difference IMO is that Spoelstra could have used Robinson,Iggi, Butler, Achiuwa etc more and just simply bench Ariza if he plainly sucks but he didn't.
If you say Ariza is a lot slower, no lift, makes bad decisions, poor shooter, then fine, I agree with you, but again, sorry for missing the stats you pointed out.

Ariza may be 489 years old and use a walker, and he is not exactly a great talent on offense like let’s say a Tracy McGrady, but …
… he thinks the game well, plays well off the ball
… he understands team defense, executes plan
… the bigger the game the younger his legs
… the big shot from three will be drained when needed

Any smart player who plays defense will get minutes from Frank. If he plays, it’ll be earned on the defensive end mostly. I wouldn’t call him dead just yet.