UPDATE: MWP suspended 7 games

Post #101 » by **snaquille oatmeal** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:29 am

Sedale Threatt wrote:
snaquille oatmeal wrote:I'm not defending Ron at all.

So then how does Harden's role matter in the slightest?

it matters because it emphases that Ron did not seek Harden out and elbowed him on purpose. not like Shaq did on Bynum by grabbing ABs right forearm pull him towards him then tried to connect the forearm to the neck. Shaq got a Tech for that one, and AB got one for the Harden like shove on Shaq just Pryor to that.

The Laker Kid · Post #102 » by **The Laker Kid** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:30 am

He will be benched for 1 quarter and $250 fine

Post #103 » by **Kilroy** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:31 am

Sedale Threatt wrote:Concussions are no joke. Let's assume it was more serious. As I just said to kilroy, I'm more than a little skeptical that people would be so willing to blow it off.

Maybe I am in the minority... I've just been watching the NBA too damn long to not see a hundred or so similar acts that just never connected...

But what point are you trying to make?

That Ron deserves a punishment? Or that anybody who stands up for him in this instance is a hypocrite?

Because like you can see, we all agree there should be some sort of punishment.

Dr Aki · Post #104 » by **Dr Aki** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:36 am

MWP caused an offence, with grave consequences...

therefore the important questions are:
1. was it intentional? ie, did he mean to do it?
2. was it premeditated? ie. did he cerebralise it and plan to do it?

to answer...
1. didn't look intentional, MWP probably didn't even see harden
2. most definitely no. even on slow-mo, it looked like a spur of the moment swing

this is negligence. yes its wrong, no-one is debating that MWP doesn't deserve a suspension, but those important questions is the entire reason why there are varying levels of criminal charges, ie the difference between negligence occasioning death, murder 1 and murder 2.

despite the injury to harden, its still just negligence on MWP's part. it wasn't intentional, and it wasn't premeditated. and given MWP's history with suspension, he'll get the maximum penalty for a negligence.

Post #105 » by **dockingsched** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:36 am

anywhoo, if he had to elbow, im glad it was harden.

1. perkins
2. harden
3. don't care

sue me.

Post #106 » by **snaquille oatmeal** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:37 am

uner wrote:It was clearly intentional. See MWP feel Harden before he cocks back and swings? Yeah. He knows Harden is there. Take off your purple and gold-colored glasses and open your eyes.

you need to watch the clip at normal speed.

Jetset · Post #107 » by **Jetset** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:38 am

Should've elbowed Sefolosha, wouldn't have went to 2 OT's then.

Kalidogg24 · Post #108 » by **Kalidogg24** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:39 am

snaquille oatmeal wrote:
uner wrote:It was clearly intentional. See MWP feel Harden before he cocks back and swings? Yeah. He knows Harden is there. Take off your purple and gold-colored glasses and open your eyes.
you need to watch the clip at normal speed.

I think Ron did want to hit Harden for getting in his way during the celebration but I don't think he meant to bank him on the back of his head.
I think he was aiming more for James in his shoulder.
Either way horrible mistake, an I hope Ron will be able to come back for the playoffs.

uner · Post #109 » by **uner** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:45 am

snaquille oatmeal wrote:
uner wrote:It was clearly intentional. See MWP feel Harden before he cocks back and swings? Yeah. He knows Harden is there. Take off your purple and gold-colored glasses and open your eyes.
you need to watch the clip at normal speed.

Done. I don't see how this changes things? I don't care what his end goal was. What I know is that the motion was intentional.

Post #110 » by **dockingsched** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:46 am

do u always post from an alternate account or just when u want to go on other teams boards?

Jetset · Post #111 » by **Jetset** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:48 am

dockingsched goin in on him, he scared now

th87 · Post #112 » by **th87** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:49 am

When a player's actions are defended by only certain members of his fanbase, you can bet he really screwed up.

Unintentional. That's pretty good.

uner · Post #113 » by **uner** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:51 am

I just don't post much haha. I just came here from the "discuss" button under the headline story cuz this got me riled up for obvious reasons. It was disgusting. TWolves fan, btw.

I've never seen anyone celebrate by throwing an elbow backwards.

RamonSessions7 · Post #114 » by **RamonSessions7** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:54 am

uner wrote:I just don't post much haha. I just came here from the "discuss" button under the headline story cuz this got me riled up for obvious reasons. It was disgusting. TWolves fan, btw.

I've never seen anyone celebrate by throwing an elbow backwards.

I've never ever noticed the discuss button at the bottom of the headlines. Spiffy

Dr Aki · Post #115 » by **Dr Aki** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:58 am

RamonSessions7 wrote:
uner wrote:I just don't post much haha. I just came here from the "discuss" button under the headline story cuz this got me riled up for obvious reasons. It was disgusting. TWolves fan, btw.

I've never seen anyone celebrate by throwing an elbow backwards.

I've never ever noticed the discuss button at the bottom of the headlines. Spiffy

+1

spiffy

Post #116 » by **Kilroy** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:01 am

dockingsched wrote:anywhoo, if he had to elbow, im glad it was harden.

1. perkins
2. harden
3. don't care

sue me.

I've watched it a few more times and I'm changing my mind about it...

I'm not sure Harden was trying to draw a foul or instigate anything...
I think Ron knew he was there... And I think he was doing some sort of exaggerated/over the top, 'get off me' move that went really wrong...

I still don't think it was an intentional elbow, in the classic sense... But Ron was clearly out of control... And I expect a good sized suspension... But I'd be shocked if he wasn't back sometime in the first round.

uner · Post #117 » by **uner** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:02 am

Spiffy indeed

th87 · Post #118 » by **th87** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:22 am

To clarify my position though, I like Artest. I think he's a good person generally, knows right from wrong, and has worked hard to do right.

But I question his mental stability - he has shown that he's prone to lose control and snap. He can't help it, and that's what's unfortunate. His elbow probably was unintentional in the sense that he probably had no idea what he was doing; he just saw red for that split second.

KB24TBOTB · Post #119 » by **KB24TBOTB** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:34 am

Any info on Ron? How long is the suspension?

Dr Aki · Post #120 » by **Dr Aki** » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:38 am

KB24TBOTB wrote:Any info on Ron? How long is the suspension?

find out tomorrow