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[dockingsched]

paul george got caught overplaying, damn.

[Dr Aki]

i hate you lebron

[Rox_Nix_Nox]

wow he made a layup stunning clutchness

[Dr Aki]

man frank vogel.

thats 2 straight plays that taking hibbert out led to a lebron layup

[Slava]

paul george got caught overplaying, damn.

Did Hibbert foul out? Seems pretty daft not to have him in the game.

[dockingsched]

hibbert wouldn't have made a difference. paul george got burnt so badly there just is no way the help defense had any chance to get there, no matter who was playing center.


having said that, gimme paul george over any sf not named lebron or durant.

[Dr Aki]

hibbert wouldn't have made a difference. paul george got burnt so badly there just is no way the help defense had any chance to get there, no matter who was playing center.


having said that, gimme paul george over any sf not named lebron or durant.

you say that, but two straight open layups beg to differ

[Rox_Nix_Nox]

if it had been a jumper for lebron pacers woulda won

[dockingsched]

we'll agree to disagree, cause watching that play, i just don't think it would make a difference who was playing help defense. some of the defenders didn't even see lebron driving til he was already going up for the lay up. it was just a terrible mistake by george. u just can't overcome that as a team defense.

[The Skyhook]

That was one hell of a game. Really tough loss for Indy. These are the kinds of games that always come back to haunt you.

[EArl]

Should have doubled Lebron in that situation.

The call before should have been a no call in my opinion.

[JohnVancouver]

You have to think Miami is a little worried though - Indy hung with them all the way.

[Dr Aki]

You have to think Miami is a little worried though - Indy hung with them all the way.

i would say indy are a little worried.

miami hung with them all the way, and snatched even snatched victory from the jaws of defeat

[MistyMountain20]

that doesn't mean i'd pick those guys over kobe, (merely take shots away from kobe if they were on the same team). its also interesting to note steve nash with of .605 TS% (validating our claims that he should shoot more)

at the end of the day, you've just settled for a couple of TS% above the median and concluded, yep efficient.

i haven't. and it's why i've come to realise kobe needs efficient guys to win.

I've been meaning to get back to this, but have been busy with work and finals, so to beat a dead horse...

Because player X has a good TS% doesn't mean (inherently) = you increase their shot totals. You seem to have a black and white stance on the subject when it's more nuanced. You're assuming that by increasing player X shot totals (or role within the team) he will a) retain his effectiveness and b) maintain his efficiency (two slightly different, but related items).

I don't know if your comment on Steve Nash is a dig at Bryant, but Nash's reluctance to shoot dates all the way back to his Phoenix days. But you're still making the same error in logic; that Nash would retain his efficiency and still be able to be his most effective. Never mind Nash's injuries played a large in his inability to consistently make an impact.

I'm sure you know the difference between median and mean, and I must stress that you should be careful which one you're mentioning. In regards to the median, Bryant's TS% is significantly higher than the medians, but that isn't telling us much since it isn't representative of the league. We look at the mean for that and Kobe does quite well in that regard which is very noteworthy.

On your last point, really? LeBron is playing alongside two efficient scorers plus a barrage of shooters Bryant has never had in his career. Your statement is actually kind of funny in the sense that it suggests that players shouldn't need efficient players to win. I'm sure you meant to something else, but you have to elaborate because it makes very little sense (probably something along the lines of that Kobe needs more efficient players . In fact, if you look in comparison to James, Bryant's teammates have been nowhere near as efficient. Pau has been the only player to be consistently efficient. Neither Odom or Bynum were as consistently present or efficient.

Anyhoo, your framework of your position is that because you think Kobe is semi efficient, he needs efficient players. Using that framework, since LeBron has efficient players, he must be semi efficient. Your position needs more work.

[Dr Aki]

screw this, let's THROW DOWN!!!

Because player X has a good TS% doesn't mean (inherently) = you increase their shot totals. You seem to have a black and white stance on the subject when it's more nuanced. You're assuming that by increasing player X shot totals (or role within the team) he will a) retain his effectiveness and b) maintain his efficiency (two slightly different, but related items).

i understand where you're coming from. ie, you can't extrapolate numbers as easily as TS% * n shots = WIN.

but here's the caveat. hypothetically speaking, in an avg game. player X for better or worse gives you 0.570 TS% on 30 shots. player Y gives .605 TS% on 10 shots.

do you knowingly want player X to take 30 shots knowing he will give u exactly 0.570 TS%, or ask him to pull back to 25 shots per game and give 5 of those shots to player Y, who you know is also a capable scorer?

in a perfect world. player Y would maintain his efficiency and player X's TS% would probably even improve should he be more prudent in taking fewer bad shots. but if in a non-perfect world, its a calculated risk as you correctly noted that you can't expect, but i'd rather risk it on the more efficient shooter. especially a shooter that last recorded a sub .600 TS% in the 2003/04 season.

I don't know if your comment on Steve Nash is a dig at Bryant, but Nash's reluctance to shoot dates all the way back to his Phoenix days. But you're still making the same error in logic; that Nash would retain his efficiency and still be able to be his most effective. Never mind Nash's injuries played a large in his inability to consistently make an impact.

still rather risk it and make nash shoot more knowing he's a better shooter than kobe

I'm sure you know the difference between median and mean, and I must stress that you should be careful which one you're mentioning. In regards to the median, Bryant's TS% is significantly higher than the medians, but that isn't telling us much since it isn't representative of the league. We look at the mean for that and Kobe does quite well in that regard which is very noteworthy.

still semi-efficient compared to lebron.

On your last point, really? LeBron is playing alongside two efficient scorers plus a barrage of shooters Bryant has never had in his career. Your statement is actually kind of funny in the sense that it suggests that players shouldn't need efficient players to win. I'm sure you meant to something else, but you have to elaborate because it makes very little sense (probably something along the lines of that Kobe needs more efficient players . In fact, if you look in comparison to James, Bryant's teammates have been nowhere near as efficient. Pau has been the only player to be consistently efficient. Neither Odom or Bynum were as consistently present or efficient.

kobe is more reliant on efficient scorers than lebron. i mentioned pau/odom/bynum as a trio because, inconsistent as LO/pau/bynum were individually; 1 (or more) of them on most nights would give an efficient scoring night and the trio would end up with an overall efficient scoring night (ie. throw all their scores together and treat them as one entity)

do you believe that having a LO/pau/bynum trio as a big man rotation contributed more or less to the overall success than kobe? because i do; because i believe championships are built off the backs of big men, which has been true historically

and don't get me wrong, i personally believe kobe was the best player on those teams, but given a choice between LO/pau/bynum vs kobe? i'd pick the trio to build a championship side over kobe and try to pick up perimeter players later

Anyhoo, your framework of your position is that because you think Kobe is semi efficient, he needs efficient players. Using that framework, since LeBron has efficient players, he must be semi efficient. Your position needs more work.

now you're just blatantly putting words in my mouth

historically, players were able to volume score closer to the basket have better TS%. kobe is semi-efficient due to his style of play. he has efficient players he doesn't utilise as much as he probably should.

lebron is efficient due to his style of play, has less efficient players on his team. if i were spoelstra, i'd tell lebron to keep shooting and take even more shots away from wade and bosh right up until lebron's TS% falls off a cliff and tell him to pull back a bit (and right there, is mike brown in cleveland)

[MistyMountain20]

Haha, I still have one more exam tomorrow that I'm heavily procrastinating studying for, I'll try to get back to you later tomorrow.

[TyCobb]

If Tim Duncan can't maintain a marriage, how am I ever going to?

[Imadogg]

#RiotCobb coming soon

[TyCobb]

[EArl]