2018 Trade Ideas thread

[stan francisco]

Ok then, I'll speculate:

PG—Ball, Caruso, Hart
SG—Ingram, Evans, Hart
SF—Kuzma, Ingram, Afflalo
PF—Gordon, Kuzma, West
C—Nurkić, Zubać, Bryant

Again, speculation not my personal wish (sig)

On the more realistic side:
It seems Pelagic have clear plans for Kuzma as our starting PF and if so, Randle will not be here unless starting at C, which is doubtful.

That leaves BI as our starting future SF which is what he naturally is. Considering Lonzo is a lock at point and Zubac and Bryant are both emerging at C, it leaves us with the biggest need of upgrade at the two which is where they'll spend the most, which probably means Paul George. Old news.

If that's our path, we might stop at PG13 as far as stars go, wait to finalize contender until 2019...

PG—Ball, Evans, Caruso
SG—George, Hart, Evans
SF—Ingram, Ariza, FRP
PF—Kuzma, West, vet
C—Randle, Zubać, Bryant

[One Love]

I really like the post earlier that had the following lineup... We would have length everywhere and could switch everything... Our athleticism will give team problems plus we get a closer (PG) & another year for the young bucks to develop...

PG: Ball (6’6”)
SG: PG (6’9”)
SF: BI (6’10”)
PF: Kuzz (6’9”)
C: Noel (6’11”)

Bench: Hart, Randle, Ariza, Evans, 1st, Zubac & Bryant...

[Vae Victus]

If Kuz is the future at PF, i dunno if Randle is gonna be happy with a bench role.

Assuming we get PG13 but not a second max FA (be it LBJ or whomever), that means we've got ample money to give Randle a fat contract (which im sure many of us DO NOT want to give). So for Randle to stay he either gets PAID, or the market is so barren he's forced to take a smaller contract. Now if he takes the Qualifying offer, thats good for us, since its dirt cheap and we get to keep him for another cheap year, but i dunno if he's gonna be happy with that. Him coming off the bench another year impacts his future earnings. He's better off going to a crappy team, even at similar money to whatever we offer, but getting a starting gig.

Keeping Randle could run into chemistry problems.

Personally i'd rather go with Kuz over Randle, as Kuz's offensive game is so much more versatile. Nowadays you need shooters and non-shooters like Randle are a drag unless theyre defensive big men who protect the paint. If only Randle was bigger he'd be the perfect 5, but he's just way too undersized to man the 5 full time.

A healthy motivated Nerlens Noel at the 5 is ideal, and if Thomas Bryant keeps developing his stretch 5 game and not be an embarassment on D, he'd be the ideal backup. Zubacca is just kept around as cheap injury reserve filler.

No 2nd major FA means we keep Deng. Hell just play the man already and see what we have with him.

I just dunno if PG13 would come to LAL on his own, why go from a better team to worse?

[Slink]

If Kuz is the future at PF, i dunno if Randle is gonna be happy with a bench role.

Assuming we get PG13 but not a second max FA (be it LBJ or whomever), that means we've got ample money to give Randle a fat contract (which im sure many of us DO NOT want to give). So for Randle to stay he either gets PAID, or the market is so barren he's forced to take a smaller contract. Now if he takes the Qualifying offer, thats good for us, since its dirt cheap and we get to keep him for another cheap year, but i dunno if he's gonna be happy with that. Him coming off the bench another year impacts his future earnings. He's better off going to a crappy team, even at similar money to whatever we offer, but getting a starting gig.

Keeping Randle could run into chemistry problems.

Personally i'd rather go with Kuz over Randle, as Kuz's offensive game is so much more versatile. Nowadays you need shooters and non-shooters like Randle are a drag unless theyre defensive big men who protect the paint. If only Randle was bigger he'd be the perfect 5, but he's just way too undersized to man the 5 full time.

A healthy motivated Nerlens Noel at the 5 is ideal, and if Thomas Bryant keeps developing his stretch 5 game and not be an embarassment on D, he'd be the ideal backup. Zubacca is just kept around as cheap injury reserve filler.

No 2nd major FA means we keep Deng. Hell just play the man already and see what we have with him.

I just dunno if PG13 would come to LAL on his own, why go from a better team to worse?

Even though he said last summer he would like to play for the Lakers,I do think there's a chance he decides to stay with Thunder. The only way I see him coming here is if Thunder decline his option and Lakers offer him the max.

[No name]

If Kuz is the future at PF, i dunno if Randle is gonna be happy with a bench role.

Assuming we get PG13 but not a second max FA (be it LBJ or whomever), that means we've got ample money to give Randle a fat contract (which im sure many of us DO NOT want to give). So for Randle to stay he either gets PAID, or the market is so barren he's forced to take a smaller contract. Now if he takes the Qualifying offer, thats good for us, since its dirt cheap and we get to keep him for another cheap year, but i dunno if he's gonna be happy with that. Him coming off the bench another year impacts his future earnings. He's better off going to a crappy team, even at similar money to whatever we offer, but getting a starting gig.

Keeping Randle could run into chemistry problems.

Personally i'd rather go with Kuz over Randle, as Kuz's offensive game is so much more versatile. Nowadays you need shooters and non-shooters like Randle are a drag unless theyre defensive big men who protect the paint. If only Randle was bigger he'd be the perfect 5, but he's just way too undersized to man the 5 full time.

A healthy motivated Nerlens Noel at the 5 is ideal, and if Thomas Bryant keeps developing his stretch 5 game and not be an embarassment on D, he'd be the ideal backup. Zubacca is just kept around as cheap injury reserve filler.

No 2nd major FA means we keep Deng. Hell just play the man already and see what we have with him.

I just dunno if PG13 would come to LAL on his own, why go from a better team to worse?

Even though he said last summer he would like to play for the Lakers,I do think there's a chance he decides to stay with Thunder. The only way I see him coming here is if Thunder decline his option and Lakers offer him the max.

Does anyone think OKC can win? I don't. So throw the chance to win a championship out. They are capped. Mello isn't getting better and Russell will only get slower while still needing the ball.

The Lakers are on the up. A 9 sead without PG and while flushing cash. Their young guys are growing. Lakers will have space to add. So what is more attractive? Home town and a fun play style or OKC and a few more million per year?

If OKC resigns PG, they will have no room for improvement due to the cap space.

[Wavy Q]

Copy pasting this from reddit.

Very simply said, OKC's luxury tax payments will be insane next year if they keep Paul George. If OKC re-signs PG to his max and replaces their free agents with minimums, they will pay $115 MIL IN LUXURY TAX ALONE! That would be almost triple the highest amount paid in league history and will not happen.

What can they do?

They can dump Adams or Melo and get in reasonable territory, but that's probably not happening.

Even if they dump Roberson, Singler, & Abrines and replace them with mins, they will pay $40 mil in luxury tax for a worst team than they have now. For context, that's almost as much as Cleveland is paying right now and more than Golden State.

Therefore with the amount of tax they have to pay, I don't see them wanting PG or him even wanting to stay.

What are your thoughts?

Very interesting

[Slink]

Copy pasting this from reddit.

Very simply said, OKC's luxury tax payments will be insane next year if they keep Paul George. If OKC re-signs PG to his max and replaces their free agents with minimums, they will pay $115 MIL IN LUXURY TAX ALONE! That would be almost triple the highest amount paid in league history and will not happen.

What can they do?

They can dump Adams or Melo and get in reasonable territory, but that's probably not happening.

Even if they dump Roberson, Singler, & Abrines and replace them with mins, they will pay $40 mil in luxury tax for a worst team than they have now. For context, that's almost as much as Cleveland is paying right now and more than Golden State.

Therefore with the amount of tax they have to pay, I don't see them wanting PG or him even wanting to stay.

What are your thoughts?

Very interesting

I suppose it all depends on how well OKC does in the post season. Right now they occupy the 5th seed and I don't see how they pay all that money for a first or second round exit.

[TylersLakers]

If Kuz is the future at PF, i dunno if Randle is gonna be happy with a bench role.

Assuming we get PG13 but not a second max FA (be it LBJ or whomever), that means we've got ample money to give Randle a fat contract (which im sure many of us DO NOT want to give). So for Randle to stay he either gets PAID, or the market is so barren he's forced to take a smaller contract. Now if he takes the Qualifying offer, thats good for us, since its dirt cheap and we get to keep him for another cheap year, but i dunno if he's gonna be happy with that. Him coming off the bench another year impacts his future earnings. He's better off going to a crappy team, even at similar money to whatever we offer, but getting a starting gig.

Keeping Randle could run into chemistry problems.

Personally i'd rather go with Kuz over Randle, as Kuz's offensive game is so much more versatile. Nowadays you need shooters and non-shooters like Randle are a drag unless theyre defensive big men who protect the paint. If only Randle was bigger he'd be the perfect 5, but he's just way too undersized to man the 5 full time.

A healthy motivated Nerlens Noel at the 5 is ideal, and if Thomas Bryant keeps developing his stretch 5 game and not be an embarassment on D, he'd be the ideal backup. Zubacca is just kept around as cheap injury reserve filler.

No 2nd major FA means we keep Deng. Hell just play the man already and see what we have with him.

I just dunno if PG13 would come to LAL on his own, why go from a better team to worse?

Kuz is on a rookie contract for 4 more seasons. You don't have to pick either/or. In my opinion, you can have both. The market is going to dictate Randle's contract as it will the rest of the RFA's. And most don't think it's going to be that high.

As far as Kuz & Randle, In my opinion, you can play them both. Kuz at PF/SF and Julius at PF/C. Also, you can easily have Kuzma come off the bench, be a scoring sixth man, and play 28-32 MPG. Noel is not talented enough to get chosen ahead of Randle. Before he was hurt, he was glued to the bench for a reason in Dallas. If there's talent there, a good coach like Carlisle discovers it.

Randle's getting minutes and producing. 20.7 PPG, 7.7 RPG, 3.4 APG on 59% shooting over the month of February is impressive.

[stan francisco]

If Kuz is the future at PF, i dunno if Randle is gonna be happy with a bench role.

Assuming we get PG13 but not a second max FA (be it LBJ or whomever), that means we've got ample money to give Randle a fat contract (which im sure many of us DO NOT want to give). So for Randle to stay he either gets PAID, or the market is so barren he's forced to take a smaller contract. Now if he takes the Qualifying offer, thats good for us, since its dirt cheap and we get to keep him for another cheap year, but i dunno if he's gonna be happy with that. Him coming off the bench another year impacts his future earnings. He's better off going to a crappy team, even at similar money to whatever we offer, but getting a starting gig.

Keeping Randle could run into chemistry problems.

Personally i'd rather go with Kuz over Randle, as Kuz's offensive game is so much more versatile. Nowadays you need shooters and non-shooters like Randle are a drag unless theyre defensive big men who protect the paint. If only Randle was bigger he'd be the perfect 5, but he's just way too undersized to man the 5 full time.

A healthy motivated Nerlens Noel at the 5 is ideal, and if Thomas Bryant keeps developing his stretch 5 game and not be an embarassment on D, he'd be the ideal backup. Zubacca is just kept around as cheap injury reserve filler.

No 2nd major FA means we keep Deng. Hell just play the man already and see what we have with him.

I just dunno if PG13 would come to LAL on his own, why go from a better team to worse?

Kuz is on a rookie contract for 4 more seasons. You don't have to pick either/or. In my opinion, you can have both. The market is going to dictate Randle's contract as it will the rest of the RFA's. And most don't think it's going to be that high.

As far as Kuz & Randle, In my opinion, you can play them both. Kuz at PF/SF and Julius at PF/C. Also, you can easily have Kuzma come off the bench, be a scoring sixth man, and play 28-32 MPG. Noel is not talented enough to get chosen ahead of Randle. Before he was hurt, he was glued to the bench for a reason in Dallas. If there's talent there, a good coach like Carlisle discovers it.

Randle's getting minutes and producing. 20.7 PPG, 7.7 RPG, 3.4 APG on 59% shooting over the month of March is impressive.

Wow. I wonder how many PFs in the league top that.

[TylersLakers]

If Kuz is the future at PF, i dunno if Randle is gonna be happy with a bench role.

Assuming we get PG13 but not a second max FA (be it LBJ or whomever), that means we've got ample money to give Randle a fat contract (which im sure many of us DO NOT want to give). So for Randle to stay he either gets PAID, or the market is so barren he's forced to take a smaller contract. Now if he takes the Qualifying offer, thats good for us, since its dirt cheap and we get to keep him for another cheap year, but i dunno if he's gonna be happy with that. Him coming off the bench another year impacts his future earnings. He's better off going to a crappy team, even at similar money to whatever we offer, but getting a starting gig.

Keeping Randle could run into chemistry problems.

Personally i'd rather go with Kuz over Randle, as Kuz's offensive game is so much more versatile. Nowadays you need shooters and non-shooters like Randle are a drag unless theyre defensive big men who protect the paint. If only Randle was bigger he'd be the perfect 5, but he's just way too undersized to man the 5 full time.

A healthy motivated Nerlens Noel at the 5 is ideal, and if Thomas Bryant keeps developing his stretch 5 game and not be an embarassment on D, he'd be the ideal backup. Zubacca is just kept around as cheap injury reserve filler.

No 2nd major FA means we keep Deng. Hell just play the man already and see what we have with him.

I just dunno if PG13 would come to LAL on his own, why go from a better team to worse?

Kuz is on a rookie contract for 4 more seasons. You don't have to pick either/or. In my opinion, you can have both. The market is going to dictate Randle's contract as it will the rest of the RFA's. And most don't think it's going to be that high.

As far as Kuz & Randle, In my opinion, you can play them both. Kuz at PF/SF and Julius at PF/C. Also, you can easily have Kuzma come off the bench, be a scoring sixth man, and play 28-32 MPG. Noel is not talented enough to get chosen ahead of Randle. Before he was hurt, he was glued to the bench for a reason in Dallas. If there's talent there, a good coach like Carlisle discovers it.

Randle's getting minutes and producing. 20.7 PPG, 7.7 RPG, 3.4 APG on 59% shooting over the month of March is impressive.

Wow. I wonder how many PFs in the league top that.

Not many. He's been an absolute monster since he began starting + getting major minutes.

[myersia]

I hope I am wrong. But I think Ingram will get traded with kuzma and possibly ball with deng so they can go after Anthony Davis or another superstar before free agency starts. I think they will then sign bron and George. I hope I’m somewhat wrong as keeping ball would be more than needed but we will see


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[stan francisco]

Kuz is on a rookie contract for 4 more seasons. You don't have to pick either/or. In my opinion, you can have both. The market is going to dictate Randle's contract as it will the rest of the RFA's. And most don't think it's going to be that high.

As far as Kuz & Randle, In my opinion, you can play them both. Kuz at PF/SF and Julius at PF/C. Also, you can easily have Kuzma come off the bench, be a scoring sixth man, and play 28-32 MPG. Noel is not talented enough to get chosen ahead of Randle. Before he was hurt, he was glued to the bench for a reason in Dallas. If there's talent there, a good coach like Carlisle discovers it.

Randle's getting minutes and producing. 20.7 PPG, 7.7 RPG, 3.4 APG on 59% shooting over the month of March is impressive.

Wow. I wonder how many PFs in the league top that.

Not many. He's been an absolute monster since he began starting + getting major minutes.

Which is why he should've started all season.

Which is why we might not want to look for 21-8-3 players outside of our own locker room. They'd cost millions more and might not produce that extra value on the court.

Pelagic, we can't give up more physicality than we already did with Nance.

[TylersLakers]

Wow. I wonder how many PFs in the league top that.

Not many. He's been an absolute monster since he began starting + getting major minutes.

Which is why he should've started all season.

Which is why we might not want to look for 21-8-3 players outside of our own locker room. They'd cost millions more and might not produce that extra value on the court.

Pelagic, we can't give up more physicality than we already did with Nance.

Preach to the choir, my friend. I've been leading the Randle train all season!

[jg77]

A question to you guys...how much better is a core of Zo/PG13/Ingram/Kuzma than Wall/Beal/Porter/Oubre? I'm starting to think that PG13 won't really move the needle as much as everyone expects but I still welcome him with open arms.

[Slava]

All these dudes saying we are no closer to beating the top teams like Golden State seem to forget that rarely does one go from a floor mat to a contender in one offseason except Miami in 2010. We are not going to be winning titles adding George alone but we are one step further than we are today. If it doesn't workout we move him for assets because he is a great player and he will make someone else better.

[dockingsched]

A question to you guys...how much better is a core of Zo/PG13/Ingram/Kuzma than Wall/Beal/Porter/Oubre? I'm starting to think that PG13 won't really move the needle as much as everyone expects but I still welcome him with open arms.

Considering the age of the lakers group along with their rookie scale contracts? I don’t believe the cores are even comparable, lakers are in a way better position.

Those rookie scale contracts (along with the cap saving trades they made) afford the lakers a unique opportunity that teams like the wizards no longer have.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I hope I am wrong. But I think Ingram will get traded with kuzma and possibly ball with deng so they can go after Anthony Davis or another superstar before free agency starts. I think they will then sign bron and George. I hope I’m somewhat wrong as keeping ball would be more than needed but we will see


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I was actually thinking about this last night as well. My question to Laker fans is this: If you guys get Lebron on the phone on July 1st, 12:01 AM, and he says "If you want to sign me, you need to get me another max FA, and get rid of Lonzo and his dad", would the Lakers pull the trigger? Ball, Kuzma and Ingram are all attractive assets since they're all on their rookie deals. Might even be enough to pry away a guy like John Wall.

[TyCobb]

[Kilroy]

Yeah, trading Ball for Wall AND throwing in Ingram would be beyond stupid... Wall's mental issues are a concern for all good teams around the league... He's starting to sound a bit like Rondo...

That and LeBron is a Lonzo/LaVar fan... They're a big reason he wants to come to LA.

[TylersLakers]

I have a wild idea.

Say we DON'T get Paul George and LeBron James this summer. Both sign multi year extensions with their current teams. Also, Kawhi Leonard and Jimmy Butler re-sign with the extensions they're eligible for.

Would anyone call up ol' friend Mitch Kupchak and offer to absorb Nicholas Batum's contract, as long as Malik Monk was coming back as well? Batum is someone who can play and only 29 years old. I think he'd be perfect for the way a Luke Walton team plays. Say we give up a future lottery protected 1st round pick and no salary and Monk & Batum just slide into our cap space.

PG: Lonzo Ball [7.4M) /
SG: Josh Hart (1.7M)/ Malik Monk (3.5M)/
SF: Brandon Ingram (5.7M)/ Nicholas Batum (24M)/
PF: Kyle Kuzma (1.7M)/ Luol Deng (18M)
C: Julius Randle (12M)/ Ivica Zubac (1.6M)/ Thomas Bryant (1.4M)/

- Still $22M in cap space to add to roster

We could re-sign Julius Randle and build on the young core. Also, if we re-sign Randle to a decent contract (10-15M) per season and wait to stretch Deng until after 2018-2019, and fill out the roster with 1 year deals, we would still have a max spot (+ more) going into the 2019 off-season should anyone want to join the young core.

Thoughts?