Confirmed: Frank Vogel has agreed to deal to become new head coach, Kidd will be assistant

Landsberger · Post #101 » by **Landsberger** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:11 pm

After reading up a little on Lue I've come to the conclusion that he's a guy who coached to his talent in large part. He seems to have the same rotation/lineup issues that Luke had when you look at the lineups over the last few years. His team also dealt with a ton of injuries too. All in all, he really looks a lot like Luke except he's had experience and success with LeBron.

It seems that most of the angst on him here is a transfer of dislike for LeBron. I'm of the mind that LeBron isn't going anywhere (if he does then we're screwed for a decade) so we need someone that can use him successfully. Is LeBron the same guy who won a chip with the Cavs. No, is he still arguably the best player in the game. Yes, if healthy. The margin is a lot closer now but when he's clicking he's still great. While Lue wouldn't be my first choice I won't be jumping off any cliffs if he's the guy we hire.

I still think a veteran coach that can change LeBron's game (age it like a vintage wine) would be a good choice. Someone who isn't beholden to a specific style or system but has coached in a number of systems is the guy we need. Hard to find those guys for sure but we don't need the offense centered entirely on LeBron nor do we need the type of closing sequences we saw this year either with LeBron and Ingram in iso-duet either. Movement and pace is key to the personnel we have now and we need it thought the game not just in the middle quarters.

CptCanada · Post #102 » by **CptCanada** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:36 pm

TylersLakers wrote:This organization is so f***ing tone deaf, it's unbelievable.

The fact that Rob Pelinka is running this organization is a damn joke. Hey Lakers, you want Masai Ujiri, Jerry West, David Griffin, or Bob Meyers?

"Nah, we got Rob. We're good."

Embarrassing.

Not to steal your thunder but you realize that Masai Ujiri is under contract with Toronto right now right? I don't know why ESPN lies to its fans on the daily with bs like this, it isn't serving anyone.

tlifeset · Post #103 » by **tlifeset** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:54 pm

Before I touch on the coaching search... I think we need to cut the histrionics here.

Look, I'm as disappointed as anyone that the season didn't go as expected. But if you can't see that the main reason we are sitting here (yet again) watching the playoffs from the outside is because of injuries, then I'm not really sure what to say. It's plainly obvious. We were the 4-seed, 1 game out of the 3-seed and gelling as a team... then Lebron gets hurt, Lonzo, Chandler, etc. :banghead:

Beyond that... I'm not sure what Rob Pelinka (and Magic) did to piss off everybody? Do you remember the dire straights we were in 3 years ago? We had very little upside. In 2 short years, he has carved out considerable cap space by moving unmovable contracts (as far as length, amount and talent) and, on top of that, has also parlayed those trades into Kyle Kuzma (somehow getting a pick from the Nets) and Lebron James (by somehow getting the Cavs to take Clarkson). We are now a team with considerable upside and cap space.

So... deep breaths, everyone. Do I question some of the Pelinka moves (choosing Beasley over Lopez, giving away Zu for basically nothing)? Yes, I do. But those are smaller, nip-n-tuck choices. They aren't the reasons we missed the playoffs.

Rob Pelinka is very bright. And please please PLEASE... stop believing all the reports that other GMs don't like him because he is difficult. This is the political, gamesmanship that Magic was talking about. Every team puts false reports out there to get an edge. He is respected and very well connected, especially with the agencies that matter most in the NBA. I would be SHOCKED if he didn't already have a plan in place and person who he's had discussions with.

We know he has an incredible relationship with Klutch. So, I'd be surprised if Ty Lue and Mark Jackson aren't the favorites (Klutch clients). Personally, I think Mark Jackson would be perfect. There is nobody more respected or beloved by NBA players. He is the real deal. But Ty Lue is proven too and has experience with Lebron, so hard to say he would be a bad choice.

On top of that, agents are always looking for leverage in relationships... so I'd be looking closely at the agents of Kawhi, KD, Klay, etc. And start to connect the dots... what coaches do they also represent? I know that Jason Kidd and Kemba Walker have the same agent, or atleast used to.

Again, stop crapping on Pelinka. He has done right by us. We are in a great position because of him. And stop believing everything you read. And for crying out loud... let's get another FA or trade for someone or get ZION!!!, let's get healthy and let's get in the damn playoffs next year!!! :nod:

myersia · Post #104 » by **myersia** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:58 pm

tlifeset wrote:Before I touch on the coaching search... I think we need to cut the histrionics here.

Look, I'm as disappointed as anyone that the season didn't go as expected. But if you can't see that the main reason we are sitting here (yet again) watching the playoffs from the outside is because of injuries, then I'm not really sure what to say. It's plainly obvious. We were the 4-seed, 1 game out of the 3-seed and gelling as a team... then Lebron gets hurt, Lonzo, Chandler, etc.

Beyond that... I'm not sure what Rob Pelinka (and Magic) did to piss off everybody? Do you remember the dire straights we were in 3 years ago? We had very little upside. In 2 short years, he has carved out considerable cap space by moving unmovable contracts (as far as length, amount and talent) and, on top of that, has also parlayed those trades into Kyle Kuzma (somehow getting a pick from the Nets) and Lebron James (by somehow getting the Cavs to take Clarkson). We are now a team with considerable upside and cap space.

So... deep breaths, everyone. Do I question some of the Pelinka moves (choosing Beasley over Lopez, giving away Zu for basically nothing)? Yes, I do. But those are smaller, nip-n-tuck choices. They aren't the reasons we missed the playoffs.

Rob Pelinka is very bright. And please please PLEASE... stop believing all the reports that other GMs don't like him because he is difficult. This is the political, gamesmanship that Magic was talking about. Every team puts false reports out there to get an edge. He is respected and very well connected, especially with the agencies that matter most in the NBA. I would be SHOCKED if he didn't already have a plan in place and person who he's had discussions with.

We know he has an incredible relationship with Klutch. So, I'd be surprised if Ty Lue and Mark Jackson aren't the favorites (Klutch clients). Personally, I think Mark Jackson would be perfect. There is nobody more respected or beloved by NBA players. He is the real deal. But Ty Lue is proven too and has experience with Lebron, so hard to say he would be a bad choice.

On top of that, agents are always looking for leverage in relationships... so I'd be looking closely at the agents of Kawhi, KD, Klay, etc. And start to connect the dots... what coaches do they also represent? I know that Jason Kidd and Kemba Walker have the same agent, or atleast used to.

Again, stop crapping on Pelinka. He has done right by us. We are in a great position because of him. And stop believing everything you read. And for crying out loud... let's get another FA or trade for someone or get ZION!!!, let's get healthy and let's get in the damn playoffs next year!!!

I was with you until you said Mark Jackson. I do believe people are overreacting a lot. It’s the lakers it happens all the time. I’d be willing to give rob a chance. We need to chill out and see who we get before go crazy. Other teams hate the lakers. Many of these stories are everybody trying to hold us down from getting another free agent, coach or president. I’d like to believe we will be okay. Honestly rob may be a better president than gm.

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Post #105 » by **Danny Darko** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:03 pm

For those who point to Monty's lack of success do this research, please:
check out record and also players on the roster for each year. Monty actually had two good seasons where he had almost NO talent. Look for yourself. Meanwhile Lue was gifted a gelled unit with allstars and the best player in the league.

Not really a fan of this supposed two horse race, but I think I prefer Monty

LakerClipperFan · Post #106 » by **LakerClipperFan** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:11 pm

Bringing in Bron's guy helps guarantee the acquisition of AD. They are both Klutch guys. We want Klutch to make the call, and Klutch will make the call.

Kilroy wrote: So bringing in LeBron's guy when we're about to add another star... Potentially a star like AD... Seems short sighted....

Post #107 » by **dockingsched** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:23 pm

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Pythagoras · Post #108 » by **Pythagoras** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:30 pm

Landsberger wrote:After reading up a little on Lue I've come to the conclusion that he's a guy who coached to his talent in large part. He seems to have the same rotation/lineup issues that Luke had when you look at the lineups over the last few years. His team also dealt with a ton of injuries too. All in all, he really looks a lot like Luke except he's had experience and success with LeBron.

It seems that most of the angst on him here is a transfer of dislike for LeBron. I'm of the mind that LeBron isn't going anywhere (if he does then we're screwed for a decade) so we need someone that can use him successfully. Is LeBron the same guy who won a chip with the Cavs. No, is he still arguably the best player in the game. Yes, if healthy. The margin is a lot closer now but when he's clicking he's still great. While Lue wouldn't be my first choice I won't be jumping off any cliffs if he's the guy we hire.

I still think a veteran coach that can change LeBron's game (age it like a vintage wine) would be a good choice. Someone who isn't beholden to a specific style or system but has coached in a number of systems is the guy we need. Hard to find those guys for sure but we don't need the offense centered entirely on LeBron nor do we need the type of closing sequences we saw this year either with LeBron and Ingram in iso-duet either. Movement and pace is key to the personnel we have now and we need it thought the game not just in the middle quarters.

Lue is an awful defensive coach. Just awful. And coaching to his talents basically just included playing the most dominant player in the league more minutes than anyone else. After LeBron retires, Lue won’t have a coaching job again in the NBA. Luke won’t go one full offseason unemployed.

Post #109 » by **dockingsched** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:40 pm

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myersia · Post #110 » by **myersia** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:45 pm

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Good for Luke and good for us. If Luke thinks the lakers are messed up he has no idea how messed up the Kings are.

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tlifeset · Post #111 » by **tlifeset** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:58 pm

Myersa, what evidence do we have that Rob Pelinka is not a good GM?

He got rid of the two worst contracts in Lakers history, got rid of clarkson ($50m!!!), signed Lebron James, has a max contract slot in one of the best FA classes ever, has good to great prospects and a lottery pick.

We missed the playoffs because of injuries not because the front office was inept. We have to stop this nonsense.

myersia · Post #112 » by **myersia** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:08 pm

tlifeset wrote:Myersa, what evidence do we have that Rob Pelinka is not a good GM?

He got rid of the two worst contracts in Lakers history, got rid of clarkson ($50m!!!), signed Lebron James, has a max contract slot in one of the best FA classes ever, has good to great prospects and a lottery pick.

We missed the playoffs because of injuries not because the front office was inept. We have to stop this nonsense.

I never meant he wasn’t a good gm. He’s barely been a gm. Chill man. I’m just saying he might be a better president than a gm given his background. I would easily take a lot of more experienced gms over him if they are available or interested. who wouldn’t?

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Post #113 » by **snaquille oatmeal** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:13 pm

tlifeset wrote:Myersa, what evidence do we have that Rob Pelinka is not a good GM?

He got rid of the two worst contracts in Lakers history, got rid of clarkson ($50m!!!), signed Lebron James, has a max contract slot in one of the best FA classes ever, has good to great prospects and a lottery pick.

We missed the playoffs because of injuries not because the front office was inept. We have to stop this nonsense.

hate to admit it but "and 1" on the post. we don't know if the bad moves (zubacs :banghead:

) and such were the brain child of Rob or pushed by Magic.

Michael Lucky · Post #114 » by **Michael Lucky** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:15 pm

myersia wrote:
dockingsched wrote:

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Good for Luke and good for us. If Luke thinks the lakers are messed up he has no idea how messed up the Kings are.

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Considering they finished with a better record and have no on the court issues anymore with nice young talent, you are either overselling the kings' franchose mess or underselling the Lakers'.

Landsberger · Post #115 » by **Landsberger** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:27 pm

Pythagoras wrote:
Landsberger wrote:After reading up a little on Lue I've come to the conclusion that he's a guy who coached to his talent in large part. He seems to have the same rotation/lineup issues that Luke had when you look at the lineups over the last few years. His team also dealt with a ton of injuries too. All in all, he really looks a lot like Luke except he's had experience and success with LeBron.

It seems that most of the angst on him here is a transfer of dislike for LeBron. I'm of the mind that LeBron isn't going anywhere (if he does then we're screwed for a decade) so we need someone that can use him successfully. Is LeBron the same guy who won a chip with the Cavs. No, is he still arguably the best player in the game. Yes, if healthy. The margin is a lot closer now but when he's clicking he's still great. While Lue wouldn't be my first choice I won't be jumping off any cliffs if he's the guy we hire.

I still think a veteran coach that can change LeBron's game (age it like a vintage wine) would be a good choice. Someone who isn't beholden to a specific style or system but has coached in a number of systems is the guy we need. Hard to find those guys for sure but we don't need the offense centered entirely on LeBron nor do we need the type of closing sequences we saw this year either with LeBron and Ingram in iso-duet either. Movement and pace is key to the personnel we have now and we need it thought the game not just in the middle quarters.

Lue is an awful defensive coach. Just awful. And coaching to his talents basically just included playing the most dominant player in the league more minutes than anyone else. After LeBron retires, Lue won’t have a coaching job again in the NBA. Luke won’t go one full offseason unemployed.

This is a very simple evaluation IMHO. Lue's horrible "defense" won a title against the vaunted GS Warriors didn't it. A lot of very mediocre coaches have long careers in the NBA. Luke won't be unique in that regard.

I see no real difference in them. I know you are all about the "modern NBA" and the 3 pointer as the center of any team approach. Defense is a personnel/effort/coaching trifecta and I don't think Luke has done squat in that regard either. His answer this year was to put Kuzma at the 5 defensively for instance.

For you it's one of them sucks and one is a future HOF coach I guess. I just don't see that much of a difference and Luke seemed to want an extension and a promise. We didn't give it which I think is great. What would we be rewarding?

tviper · Post #116 » by **tviper** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:50 pm

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AGAVE · Post #117 » by **AGAVE** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:50 pm

TylersLakers wrote:This organization is so f***ing tone deaf, it's unbelievable.

The fact that Rob Pelinka is running this organization is a damn joke. Hey Lakers, you want Masai Ujiri, Jerry West, David Griffin, or Bob Meyers?

"Nah, we got Rob. We're good."

Embarrassing.

Not picking any thought either way; but...

I wonder what the talk around the NBA was when Jerry West was hired into this position?

Elgin Baylor as well; for the clips

Post #118 » by **TyCobb** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:55 pm

Sigh... what a joke to lose Walton to the Kings. We all know the 'taboo' reason why LeBron wanted a different head coach...

AGAVE · Post #119 » by **AGAVE** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:12 pm

I will withhold opinion on Pelinka until I see further damage occur to the organization over time going forward.
As for player personnel,
We do have a scouting department involved and this should not be dismissed when viewing past present and future drafted players

myersia · Post #120 » by **myersia** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:29 pm

Michael Lucky wrote:
myersia wrote:
dockingsched wrote:

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Good for Luke and good for us. If Luke thinks the lakers are messed up he has no idea how messed up the Kings are.

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Considering they finished with a better record and have no on the court issues anymore with nice young talent, you are either overselling the kings' franchose mess or underselling the Lakers'.

Um....Joerger is the reason they finished with a better record. A coach who can coach circles around Luke right now. Luke could be a great coach one day but his inexperience is obvious. But this board appears to be obsessed with him. I think I need to stay off these boards for a while. The negativity here is beyond dreadful. If anyone would step back you would see there actually is some things to be grateful for right now. Cap space, young core, as much as most hate him the best player we have had since Kobe, and now a possibility to get a real experienced coach. Things have sucked at times but damnit keep your heads up guys. We have a shot believe or not at being good next year if we can get a valuable free agent and a good coach. Lue or Monty are not my first choices but I’m not going to sit here and judge them until we start playing ball next year if they are our coach. I am putting a guarantee out there. I guarantee the lakers will make the playoffs the next year and will be significantly better than this year. If I am wrong I will never post again. I’m damn serious.

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