Trade Deadline approaching - update Dennis return?

[loveshaq007]

sign me up!

although it's unlikely.


as much as I love reaves.... I would pull the trigger for DeRozan, Caruso, Drummond.

Caruso can fil the void of reaves ( a little less offense, but much better defense).

I'm tired of hearing that Derozan wouldn't fit. He is an aggressive and unselfish player who is mature and has a great mindset/attitude.

Drummond is a big man that we need.




gabe/dangelo/reaves ... for Derozan, Caruso, Drummond, we get better defensively, without losing size!



Caruso/Derozan/LeBron/AD/DRUMMOND against big lineups...

Caruso/DeRozan/LeBron/Rui/AD ... against all other lineups

I know my Wizards trade above is very unlikely, unless they rebuild, in which case they’d keep the players I listed. I wouldn’t mind Kuzma back either.

I doubt we’ll get Drummond without giving up Rui.

if we give up reaves. in that package than they should cave in

[TGW]

sign me up!

Yea. Too bad there's zero chance the Wizards would do it.

Is this more realistic? Would you pull the trigger on it?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7928723

D Lo, Wood, Reddish, Vincent for Tyus, Kispert, Gafford.

They need size (Wood), defense (Cam), shooting (Vincent), playmaking (D Lo).

We need perimeter defense and lower turnovers (Tyus), 3PT accuracy (Kispert), low post help for AD (Gafford).

As Vando gets healthy he covers for the loss of Reddish. I prefer Hayes over Wood, don’t think we need both. Vincent and Tyus is perhaps a draw or better for us and D Lo is someone who can help them offensively until his $17M contract expires.

There's absolutely no reason for the Wizards to do any iteration of this. Maybe if the Lakers could muster up good picks for any combination of these guys to the Wizards, then maybe. But I doubt that...Wood, DLo, Reddish are not in demand and probably wouldn't fetch more than some lower end seconds at best, which I'm sure the Wizards are not interested in. So to answer your question, not realistic.

Oh and to say Vincent and Tyus is a draw is laughable. Tyus is better than any guard on the Lakers.

[loveshaq007]

Yea. Too bad there's zero chance the Wizards would do it.

Is this more realistic? Would you pull the trigger on it?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7928723

D Lo, Wood, Reddish, Vincent for Tyus, Kispert, Gafford.

They need size (Wood), defense (Cam), shooting (Vincent), playmaking (D Lo).

We need perimeter defense and lower turnovers (Tyus), 3PT accuracy (Kispert), low post help for AD (Gafford).

As Vando gets healthy he covers for the loss of Reddish. I prefer Hayes over Wood, don’t think we need both. Vincent and Tyus is perhaps a draw or better for us and D Lo is someone who can help them offensively until his $17M contract expires.

There's absolutely no reason for the Wizards to do any iteration of this. Maybe if the Lakers could muster up good picks for any combination of these guys to the Wizards, then maybe. But I doubt that...Wood, DLo, Reddish are not in demand and probably wouldn't fetch more than some lower end seconds at best, which I'm sure the Wizards are not interested in. So to answer your question, not realistic.

Oh and to say Vincent and Tyus is a draw is laughable. Tyus is better than any guard on the Lakers.

yeah only way I see a trade with Washington is

gabe, Dlo, wood and a first.... for Gafford and tyus

[Godfather13]

sign me up!

Yea. Too bad there's zero chance the Wizards would do it.

Is this more realistic? Would you pull the trigger on it?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7928723

D Lo, Wood, Reddish, Vincent for Tyus, Kispert, Gafford.

They need size (Wood), defense (Cam), shooting (Vincent), playmaking (D Lo).

We need perimeter defense and lower turnovers (Tyus), 3PT accuracy (Kispert), low post help for AD (Gafford).

As Vando gets healthy he covers for the loss of Reddish. I prefer Hayes over Wood, don’t think we need both. Vincent and Tyus is perhaps a draw or better for us and D Lo is someone who can help them offensively until his $17M contract expires.

The dude you want from Wizards is Delon Wright. Top 5 perimeter POA defensive guard who can shoot.

Tyus is nice af as a bench playmaker, but that's not a position of need in the playoffs. Besides he was a major flop in the playoffs anyway.

I'd like Kispers/Gafford, but Idk what the Wizards would want for them, and if it's worth it.

[stan francisco]

Yea. Too bad there's zero chance the Wizards would do it.

Is this more realistic? Would you pull the trigger on it?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7928723

D Lo, Wood, Reddish, Vincent for Tyus, Kispert, Gafford.

They need size (Wood), defense (Cam), shooting (Vincent), playmaking (D Lo).

We need perimeter defense and lower turnovers (Tyus), 3PT accuracy (Kispert), low post help for AD (Gafford).

As Vando gets healthy he covers for the loss of Reddish. I prefer Hayes over Wood, don’t think we need both. Vincent and Tyus is perhaps a draw or better for us and D Lo is someone who can help them offensively until his $17M contract expires.

The dude you want from Wizards is Delon Wright. Top 5 perimeter POA defensive guard who can shoot.

Tyus is nice af as a bench playmaker, but that's not a position of need in the playoffs. Besides he was a major flop in the playoffs anyway.

I'd like Kispers/Gafford, but Idk what the Wizards would want for them, and if it's worth it.

I watched them against the GSW yesterday, and I agree. Tyus underwhelmed defensively, despite having the best AST/TO ratio for five years straight, one of the reasons I thought I wanted him here. Can’t stand turnovers created from cute (stupid) pocket passes.

[Up-And-Coming]

Yea. Too bad there's zero chance the Wizards would do it.

Is this more realistic? Would you pull the trigger on it?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7928723

D Lo, Wood, Reddish, Vincent for Tyus, Kispert, Gafford.

They need size (Wood), defense (Cam), shooting (Vincent), playmaking (D Lo).

We need perimeter defense and lower turnovers (Tyus), 3PT accuracy (Kispert), low post help for AD (Gafford).

As Vando gets healthy he covers for the loss of Reddish. I prefer Hayes over Wood, don’t think we need both. Vincent and Tyus is perhaps a draw or better for us and D Lo is someone who can help them offensively until his $17M contract expires.

The dude you want from Wizards is Delon Wright. Top 5 perimeter POA defensive guard who can shoot.

Tyus is nice af as a bench playmaker, but that's not a position of need in the playoffs. Besides he was a major flop in the playoffs anyway.

I'd like Kispers/Gafford, but Idk what the Wizards would want for them, and if it's worth it.

Agreed. My top 2 choices from the Wizards would be Delon Wright and Daniel Gafford.

[stan francisco]

1) Would the Wizards do this? They get three young prospects and D Lo’s contract to unload, as well as his veteran offense. And this trade proposal most likely won’t happen either.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7929642


2) Would the Lakers do this? It hurts but gotta give to get. Three very good prospect for them to build with and D Lo’s contract which is 50% more reasonable than it was last year.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7929659


3) Kuzma anyone? Rebuild is not for him. He wants to win. Available Jan 15. I’m afraid of what they’d ask in return.

They’re a good trade partner since we’re gunning for rings and they’re gunning for continued rebuilding. It’s a match.

[Up-And-Coming]

1) Would the Wizards do this? They get three young prospects and D Lo’s contract to unload, as well as his veteran offense. And this trade proposal most likely won’t happen either.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7929642


2) Would the Lakers do this? It hurts but gotta give to get. Three very good prospect for them to build with and D Lo’s contract which is 50% more reasonable than it was last year.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7929659


3) Kuzma anyone? Rebuild is not for him. He wants to win. Available Jan 15. I’m afraid of what they’d ask in return.

They’re a good trade partner since we’re gunning for rings and they’re gunning for continued rebuilding. It’s a match.

Agreed, the Wizards might be the most likely partner. A trade around D'Angelo + Hayes + filler for Delon + Gafford works financially. Lakers already have a good relationship with the Wizards front office having made several trades with them over the past 5 years (they were a part of the Anthony Davis trade, Westbrook trade and Rui trade).

We'd have to incentivize it further for them and probably include one of JHS/Max Christie/Maxwell Lewis and some sort of draft compensation as they take on DLo and Hayes doesn't have much value.

I think it's a prudent move. Lakers double-down on defense, length and athleticism and get to keep Rui who adds a different dynamic offensively and defensively when he's featured. Gafford is still young and on a good contract. Delon Wright is kind of like an understated Alex Caruso, he's just not as well known because he hasn't been on a big franchise yet but his defensive metrics are always elite at the guard position. Sign me up.

[Godfather13]

1) Would the Wizards do this? They get three young prospects and D Lo’s contract to unload, as well as his veteran offense. And this trade proposal most likely won’t happen either.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7929642


2) Would the Lakers do this? It hurts but gotta give to get. Three very good prospect for them to build with and D Lo’s contract which is 50% more reasonable than it was last year.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7929659


3) Kuzma anyone? Rebuild is not for him. He wants to win. Available Jan 15. I’m afraid of what they’d ask in return.

They’re a good trade partner since we’re gunning for rings and they’re gunning for continued rebuilding. It’s a match.

We shouldn't have to give up Max in either of those scenarios IMO. Delon isn't that highly valued by the Wizards - 3rd in pecking order after Poole & Tyus at 17 mpg. I figure JHS + a couple of 2nd Rd picks should suffice for this package.

Edit:

This is what I would try to do - https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7929869.

Don't know how to add picks to the RealGM machine, but I'm guessing 3 2nds since we're already giving them JHS + Lewis

Gallo + Muscala for some big depth, while shedding just enough salary to get us under the Luxury Tax line >>> also open up like 6 mil to incentivize some buy out FA to come to LA later.

And we get an additional open roster spot to sign a FA or promote Castleton to a 10 day or something like that.

[stan francisco]

1) Would the Wizards do this? They get three young prospects and D Lo’s contract to unload, as well as his veteran offense. And this trade proposal most likely won’t happen either.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7929642


2) Would the Lakers do this? It hurts but gotta give to get. Three very good prospect for them to build with and D Lo’s contract which is 50% more reasonable than it was last year.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7929659


3) Kuzma anyone? Rebuild is not for him. He wants to win. Available Jan 15. I’m afraid of what they’d ask in return.

They’re a good trade partner since we’re gunning for rings and they’re gunning for continued rebuilding. It’s a match.

We shouldn't have to give up Max in either of those scenarios IMO. Delon isn't that highly valued by the Wizards - 3rd in pecking order after Poole & Tyus at 17 mpg. I figure JHS + a couple of 2nd Rd picks should suffice for this package.

Hood-Schiffino is another player I’m absolutely not trading. I think he’s our future PG. At 6’6”, built like a tank, an on-ball defender who can already compete, play-make, score but plays tough, physical defense.

I hate to give up on him too soon. Same w Christie and Lewis but think they’re both farther away from being true two-way rotation players for a championship run than Fino is.

[Godfather13]

1) Would the Wizards do this? They get three young prospects and D Lo’s contract to unload, as well as his veteran offense. And this trade proposal most likely won’t happen either.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7929642


2) Would the Lakers do this? It hurts but gotta give to get. Three very good prospect for them to build with and D Lo’s contract which is 50% more reasonable than it was last year.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7929659


3) Kuzma anyone? Rebuild is not for him. He wants to win. Available Jan 15. I’m afraid of what they’d ask in return.

They’re a good trade partner since we’re gunning for rings and they’re gunning for continued rebuilding. It’s a match.

We shouldn't have to give up Max in either of those scenarios IMO. Delon isn't that highly valued by the Wizards - 3rd in pecking order after Poole & Tyus at 17 mpg. I figure JHS + a couple of 2nd Rd picks should suffice for this package.

Hood-Schiffino is another player I’m absolutely not trading. I think he’s our future PG. At 6’6”, built like a tank, an on-ball defender who can already compete, play-make, score but plays tough, physical defense.

I hate to give up on him too soon. Same w Christie and Lewis but think they’re both farther away from being true two-way rotation players for a championship run than Fino is.

I disagree about Max. I think he is ready right now. Ham's misusing him like just like Rui. He just needs regular minutes.

RE JHS - I'm usually not too high on unproven rooks, so might have a blind spot there. But there's also the element of 'f*ck the youth in a title window'.

*Edited my previous post to add a trade scenario

[stan francisco]

We shouldn't have to give up Max in either of those scenarios IMO. Delon isn't that highly valued by the Wizards - 3rd in pecking order after Poole & Tyus at 17 mpg. I figure JHS + a couple of 2nd Rd picks should suffice for this package.

Hood-Schiffino is another player I’m absolutely not trading. I think he’s our future PG. At 6’6”, built like a tank, an on-ball defender who can already compete, play-make, score but plays tough, physical defense.

I hate to give up on him too soon. Same w Christie and Lewis but think they’re both farther away from being true two-way rotation players for a championship run than Fino is.

I disagree about Max. I think he is ready right now. Ham's misusing him like just like Rui. He just needs regular minutes.

RE JHS - I'm usually not too high on unproven rooks, so might have a blind spot there. But there's also the element of 'f*ck the youth in a title window'.

*Edited my previous post to add a trade scenario

I’m down with that minus Muscala. Are you thinking it’ll entice them to pull the trigger if they get rid of his contract? Last time he played for us he was defensively inept.

I agree that Christie is good enough for the minutes he’s got, we’ll earned but mostly so on the defensive side. Two-way players is important in a ring run. He literally makes no mental mistakes on either end, something I appreciate tremendously. Just waiting to see his jump shot splash like it did in summer league. If it does or if we think it will soon, he stays. He’s a great prospect, but I’m with you on a winning now front. So far he’s been unable to hit the open midrange bunnies. He needs to grow a pair and believe in his scoring some more, be more assertive on offense. LBJ can’t wait another year to see folks develop.

I think they’re ‘hiding’ Fino and Lewis. Both are still raw. Think we’ll see more of both once the trade deadline has wrapped. Fino is the opposite of D Lo on defense. His offense also needs time, like Christie’s. But a 6’6” PG playmaker who is built tough and plays aggressive man defense? Sign me up.

For Delon I’d ‘sacrifice’ one or two of the three depending on the other pieces...

[loveshaq007]

curve ball....warriors trade Draymond..

gabe and rui/dangelo and a first ... for Draymond and kuminga


if we can't get that... gabe, Hayes, and a first for Draymond.... 10s of millions saved for warriors. in a season that's not so promising, it's definitely time for them to make some extreme cost cutting moves as the team that has the highest payroll.



I truly believe the wizards do this trade:
than wood for delon wright ... they get size and save millions

[stan francisco]

Would you guys do Dejounte Murray for a D Lo package?

Dejounte Murray wants a trade. Rich Paul won’t trade him to NYK.

On Jan 9 we can offer them D Lo, Reddish, Christie or Lewis. On Jan 14 we can offer D Lo, Vando, and Christie or Lewis.

[zuju]

Would you guys do Dejounte Murray for a D Lo package?

Dejounte Murray wants a trade. Rich Paul won’t trade him to NYK.

On Jan 9 we can offer them D Lo, Reddish, Christie or Lewis. On Jan 14 we can offer D Lo, Vando, and Christie or Lewis.

Dejounte Murray would be great get. Vando is an important piece defensively.

I would do the former 1 with Cam in the package and add in 1/2 second round picks.

I believe a trade under the radar will be done. The possible trade partner may be Wizards, Hornets, Knicks, Nets, Atlanta or Detroit.

[Ball4life32]

Would you guys do Dejounte Murray for a D Lo package?

Dejounte Murray wants a trade. Rich Paul won’t trade him to NYK.

On Jan 9 we can offer them D Lo, Reddish, Christie or Lewis. On Jan 14 we can offer D Lo, Vando, and Christie or Lewis.

Dejounte signed a bargain extension because he wanted to stay in Atlanta. Hawks don’t consider either package.

[stan francisco]

Would you guys do Dejounte Murray for a D Lo package?

Dejounte Murray wants a trade. Rich Paul won’t trade him to NYK.

On Jan 9 we can offer them D Lo, Reddish, Christie or Lewis. On Jan 14 we can offer D Lo, Vando, and Christie or Lewis.

Dejounte signed a bargain extension because he wanted to stay in Atlanta. Hawks don’t consider either package.

What would they consider in return?

So, you’re saying that the rumor that he wants to go to NYK are not true? IDK but I’m hoping he signed that bargain extension to be better tradable, that he wants out. Atlanta don’t play defense. They have years to go before they can contend. Trae Young isn’t exactly the Glove on defense. Murray gets that.

[loveshaq007]

id give them vando and a first too

ideally it's Gabe and vando and a 1 st... not Dlo for chemistry purposes

[Ball4life32]

Would you guys do Dejounte Murray for a D Lo package?

Dejounte Murray wants a trade. Rich Paul won’t trade him to NYK.

On Jan 9 we can offer them D Lo, Reddish, Christie or Lewis. On Jan 14 we can offer D Lo, Vando, and Christie or Lewis.

Dejounte signed a bargain extension because he wanted to stay in Atlanta. Hawks don’t consider either package.

What would they consider in return?

So, you’re saying that the rumor that he wants to go to NYK are not true? IDK but I’m hoping he signed that bargain extension to be better tradable, that he wants out. Atlanta don’t play defense. They have years to go before they can contend. Trae Young isn’t exactly the Glove on defense. Murray gets that.

Where does the rumor say that? All I saw was that the Knicks expressed interest. Nothing about Murray wanting to go there.

Read on Twitter

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Hawks gave up a lot for Murray… they’ll want more than that package. They’ll want a fringe all star that fits better with Trae and Jalen Johnson or premium picks in the upcoming drafts. They most likely don’t trade him because I don’t think they can find either.

[stan francisco]

Maybe I was reading too much in between the lines, sorry. He’s represented by Klutch. I’d assume that we have our eyes on him anyway, and given his surrounding talent in Atlanta, I’d be surprised if both he and his agent didn’t want him to play for the Lakers.

What is a more fair trade that you would suggest?