Official 2015 NBA Draft Discussion Thread [ft. TyCobb]

ratedrdb · Post #1001 » by **ratedrdb** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 8:09 pm

winslow should be the pick... nba is his time much like westbrook turned in on once in the nba... he will unstopable

Post #1002 » by **TyCobb** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 12:00 am

Justise Winslow 2 point jumper shot percentage--25.8%.

Can't wait to see DX turn their eye on that, unlike their assessment on Looney.

Post #1003 » by **dockingsched** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 12:14 am

Grantland and Newsweek are on the Winslow bandwagon

http://www.newsweek.com/chief-justise-why-dukes-justise-winslow-should-be-nba-drafts-top-pick-319572

My current object of sports infatuation is Duke freshman forward Justise Winslow. Between now and the NBA draft in late June you will probably not hear one expert refer to this 6-foot-6 Adonis as the most talented player in the draft. But you may hear a few souls, myself and Grantland’s Mark Titus, a former bench-sitter at Ohio State, among them, tout Winslow as a worthy No. 1 overall pick in the draft.

Post #1004 » by **TyCobb** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 12:15 am

Winslow's advanced stats are almost identical to Bradley Beal.

ALL HAIL · Post #1005 » by **ALL HAIL** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 1:22 am

I really, really like Winslow, but I feel like you have to grab a big there unless the guy you take there, instead, is a damn near sure fire impact player.

Can he be that? I suppose, but I see more of a really good role player.

I'd rather grab a role playing big there on a rookie scale contract than a role playing SF. Bigmen on the open market are just so damn expensive, while grabbing a SF on the open market is generally more inexpensive.

Myles Turner, Poetl (out of Utah), Kaminsky, or Cauley-Stein are all talented enough to garner being picked that high, and with nurturing, could be very solid bigmen going forward.

I've always been one of the biggest Jim Buss bathers, but this reminds me of the Bynum draft. I really, really, really , really wanted Danny Granger that year, but the Lakers, probably more wisely, went with the big with talent who they could develop. Looking back, it was the right move, and it worked.

With the plethora of bigs available this year, the Lakers should grab one and nurture said player as a backup to a veteran big they acquire via trade or free agency. After all, finding a talented backup center with upside for the amount of money a top five pick will make is damn near impossible.

I'll take my chances on missing out on a future Danny Granger if it means that a bigman is in place who will eventually become an offensive or defensive anchor in the paint ... even if that guy maxes out at an Elden Campbell-like level.

I'm cool with that for the financial and roster construction implications alone.

moonpie · Post #1006 » by **moonpie** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 1:27 am

Sabonis staying at Gonzaga as expected. I have him lotto unless he seriously regresses

ALL HAIL · Post #1007 » by **ALL HAIL** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 3:26 am

Towns, Okafor, Turner all day for me.

None of the other guys I've seen seem like guys I'd be kicking myself for passing on years from now.

I know nothing about Porzingis, Mario, or Mudiay.

Winslow can be replicated by drafting Hollis-Jefferson and teaching him to shoot the three (reference Bruce Bowen).

Stanley Johnson may be better than Winslow, but his, like Winslow's, production could be replicated by Hollis-Jefferson when he learns to shoot.

Russell's freshmen numbers are gaudy as hell, but he's no "game-changer" in my opinion. Not taking anything away from him, but he reminds me of Rashad Vaughn or Jordan Clarkson in that he's talented as hell and has been given free reign to facilitate and shoot at will. Russell is much more efficient than Clarkson or Vaughn, but the comparison is more so geared toward his opportunity to be a first (and second) option. For talented players, that type of opportunity will almost always garner positive results (reference Clarkson this year). Russell, like Clarkson, I question whether he'll function on teams where he'll be a third (or fourth) option on the floor.

Give me the the tall center who rebounds at a high level, blocks shots at an even higher level, shows superior touch, has a head on his shoulder as well. Gimme Myles Turner if Towns and Okafor are off the board.

Post #1008 » by **TyCobb** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 4:00 am

Shaka would've been great for Turner's development.

ALL HAIL · Post #1009 » by **ALL HAIL** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 4:21 am

TyCobb wrote:Shaka would've been great for Turner's development.

The Lakers developed Andrew Bynum, Vlade Divac, and Elden Campbell.

They can do the same for Myles Turner.

For all intent and purposes, he's shown himself to be an extremely bright and professional young man in the Derek Fisher mold as well.

Mudiay, Mario, Winslow, Johnson, and Russell are all intriguing, but I wouldn't have a problem choosing to invest in Turner over the field ... especially if they acquired a solid veteran starter for him to play behind (Brook Lopez).

Post #1010 » by **TyCobb** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 4:38 am

My problem with Turner is that he's the biggest project in the draft and with that comes the biggest risk. We don't have 12 picks like the 76ers where we can take the biggest known gambles.

ALL HAIL · Post #1011 » by **ALL HAIL** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 5:06 am

TyCobb wrote:My problem with Turner is that he's the biggest project in the draft and with that comes the biggest risk. We don't have 12 picks like the 76ers where we can take the biggest known gambles.

Truth be told, he's only really a "project" because of his body.

Do you remember how skinny Elden Campbell was coming out of Clemson? He was like 6'11 215lbs. with no post game, just shotblocking. He eventually put on over sixty pounds of muscle and became an absolute load in the post (Charles Smith-lite).

Turner, more than anything else, needs strength and weight. The post game will come; he's already got elite touch.

Sign Brook Lopez, bring Turner along slowly, and watch him become a much better rebounder and shotblocker than Okafor.

Other than Towns, he's the perfect fit next to Randle long-term ... he just needs to be nurtured and the Lakers, seemingly more than any other organization, understand the importance of bringing guys along slowly.

moonpie · Post #1012 » by **moonpie** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 8:35 am

Was watching DX's scouting video of Mudiay vs Marbury's team (did not come away particularly impressed) and noticed they had a recent video of Russell. Apologies if it's posted somewhere already:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEgMvIQ4uw8[/youtube]

showtimePL · Post #1013 » by **showtimePL** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 8:59 am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpguQkC8tv0[/youtube]

How is this guy not top 4? He plays against best competition of all draftees, has great size, athleticism, good defender. Good shooter, can help right away and has great upside. I would select him after two bigs, easily.

5ertwenty · Post #1014 » by **5ertwenty** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 9:26 am

showtimePL wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpguQkC8tv0[/youtube]

How is this guy not top 4? He plays against best competition of all draftees, has great size, athleticism, good defender. Good shooter, can help right away and has great upside. I would select him after two bigs, easily.

I agree he should be ranked higher. I would love it if we got this guy. There's just something special about him that I can't put my finger on. Maybe its the fire and cocky confidence he plays with or maybe its because his name is so god damn brilliant.

ratedrdb · Post #1015 » by **ratedrdb** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 11:51 am

winslow is the guy.. forget bigs. have u watched the nba. no one needs them. all mvp guys handle the rock just look...and sf is our biggest need
pg---clarckson
s---kobe
sf--winslow
pf--randle/love
c--black

tugs · Post #1016 » by **tugs** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 12:25 pm

Kaminsky reminds me so much of Olynyk and Bargs and I don't know if I should be excited or concerned.

ALL HAIL · Post #1017 » by **ALL HAIL** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 1:48 pm

ratedrdb wrote:winslow is the guy.. forget bigs. have u watched the nba. no one needs them. all mvp guys handle the rock just look...and sf is our biggest need
pg---clarckson
s---kobe
sf--winslow
pf--randle/love
c--black

You're obviously a kid.

And for you to say "forget bigs", you obviously don't know basketball.

ALL HAIL · Post #1018 » by **ALL HAIL** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 1:56 pm

moonpie wrote:Was watching DX's scouting video of Mudiay vs Marbury's team (did not come away particularly impressed) and noticed they had a recent video of Russell. Apologies if it's posted somewhere already:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEgMvIQ4uw8[/youtube]

I'm sorry to keep repeating myself, but how in God's name can you assess guys and form an intelligent opinion based on clips?

Mario and Mudiay very well could be the best guys in the draft, but how can anyone really know if they haven't seen them play?

Those scouting report videos can be very helpful supplements but you can't possibly base your entire opinion of a player based solely on a video, however objective it may be.

Again, Mudiay and Mario look good, but any opinion of them, including my own, is based in ignorance ... unless you've seen them play that is.

Rafer24 · Post #1019 » by **Rafer24** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:34 pm

Towns is the real deal. However, if we don´t get the first or second pick, he´ll be out of reach for us.

If we fall to 5, Winslow would be an apealling choice.

ak7 · Post #1020 » by **ak7** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 4:09 pm

I like the idea of Winslow being our pick at 4 depending on how the draft unfolds.

I still think we need to go point guard with the pick as it's been our biggest need for awhile now. Maybe they feel JC can blossom into that role and become more of a distributor, but that's another conversation in itself that is not particularly relevant in this thread.

If we stay at 4 and get one of Winslow or Russell I think I will be content. I'm not on the Hezonja train yet - haven't saw enough of him and I'm not particular in handing the keys to the future of a franchise to a Euro with so many questions marks.

Who will win the national championship?