Official Transaction Ideas thread

Jajwanda · Post #1021 » by **Jajwanda** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 1:32 am

Maggette, Dooling- Walton, TPE, Ebanks, Barnes, 2nd

Lakers get a solid combo guard that can play the point, defend, run the P and R and do much of what of what the team is looking for this season at a bargain price. Maggette I think the Lakers should take a chance on if Walton goes out.

There's a good chance with that buyout that Gooden, Maggette, or Salmons may be cut. Out of those three if Salmons is cut he immediately fixes the Lakers wing problems both as Kobe's backup and an Artest replacement when he's struggling.

The_Trade_Seer · Post #1022 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 1:39 am

Jajawanda .... WHY do you want Stuckey, the guy has done nothing impressive in his career, despite being handed the starting PG position in MoTown early on ... he was a little punk and team cancer last year, doesn't play great D, doesn't shoot very well ... he's athletic and an extremely poor man's Wade, but why do you think he'd be a good fit on this team.

KingLakers ... you make a good point and I do think the EASIEST and FASTEST thing the Lakers could do would be to trade Odom and filler for Felton and filler, though I hope they get more creative and try for D12 and/or CP3.

If we really are locked in on Felton (and I won't be mad if we land him as the kid can ball and is a natural leader and tough competitor) I just hope we do a wise trade.

The Nuggs are going to want to do a Felton and Harrington for Odom and Blake swap ... we are going to want to do an Odom and Walton for Felton, a re-signed J.R. Smith and the #22 pick.

If we are going to take on the Birdman than the Nuggs need to take back Walton ... an Odom and Walton for Felton, Birdman and the #22 sounds good to me. Without the #22 I think we are getting the short end of the stick but it would still be a trade that makes sense and gives us a more balanced roster. However we would definitely need to sign a back-up PF with our MLE, someone like K-Mart.

I consider the Nuggs brass to be quite intelligent and shrewd but Mitch is also quite good, so I'm hoping we can land an Odom, Walton, Caracter, #56 and #58 picks for Felton, Birdman and the #22 pick. We then sign K-Mart with the MLE, draft a back-up C with the #22 pick and grab a SG in the 2nd round like Nolan Smith.

PG: Felton/Fisher/Blake
SG: Kobe/Nolan Smith (2nd rounder)
SF: Artest/Barnes/Ebanks
PF: Gasol/K-Mart/
C: Bynum/Birdman/Noquiera or Vucevic (#22)

Jetset · Post #1023 » by **Jetset** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 1:48 am

I don't see Denver taking Walton. Besides you're forgetting that there may be an amnesty clause and Walton could simply be waived. Unless you have someone else in mind to use the clause on instead of Walton, in which I'd like to hear.

I can promise you that Mitch would do something as foolish as drafting Honeycutt with that 22nd overall pick.

Jajwanda · Post #1024 » by **Jajwanda** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 1:52 am

Chalmers looks good right now I wonder if they'd give him an offer. Good defender, good shooter, can drive a bit off the pick and roll. Nothing amazing but certainly upgrades your defense and he's a FA.

Miami might not match.

KingLakers · Post #1025 » by **KingLakers** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 2:18 am

Chalmers isn't the answer he'll be another Blake I think the time of having 2 players split PG for the Lakers is over Fisher isn't young enough anymore to pull it off.

KingLakers · Post #1026 » by **KingLakers** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 2:26 am

Also AI-in-LA if there is an amnesty Harrington is the likeliest guy gone in Denver. And I don't think a trade like this will be made during the draft. The most I think the Lakers will do in the draft is trade their 2 higher 2nd round picks to move into the bottom part of the first round (25-30). And if they move up I don't see them going big I think they'll get a PG even with a Felton trade the Lakers need some serious youth in the backcourt.

hoops_32 · Post #1027 » by **hoops_32** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 2:55 am

I think that the Denver deal is only possible if Harrington is included instead of Anderson because he has the bigger contract. I like Felton because he would be an upgrade at PG but he only has 1 year left and could leave after the season. I would much rather try and trade for Jose Calderon because he likely won't cost us any core players and would be a good fit for our new offense that likely includes more pick and rolls, post ups and outside shooting. While Calderon's defense isn't great we could trade up to get a combo guard in the draft like Malcolm Lee or Iman Shumpert who are athletic and play good defense.

Calderon/Lee or Shumpert
Bryant/Fisher
Artest/Barnes
Gasol/Odom
Bynum

Jajwanda · Post #1028 » by **Jajwanda** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 2:56 am

Based on what we've seen they're going for mid-round steals, Garrett and Goudelock.

KingLakers · Post #1029 » by **KingLakers** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 3:02 am

Calderon plays no D and his contract is terrible also. Felton could leave after next season but I mean look around the league most of the contending teams have PG's already unless he leaves to a lesser team the Lakers are his best option even a year from now. Also if he plays well the Lakers can extend him during the season. Felton and Bynum could make up a long term core for the Lakers post Kobe.

hoops_32 · Post #1030 » by **hoops_32** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 3:09 am

Thats why we draft a backup who plays defense like Lee or Shumpert. I think Calderon would be a great fit now that we have Messina in charge of the offense as he is familiar with the European style of offense of lots of pick and rolls. I don't think defense from Calderon will be a huge problem as Mike Brown's philosphy is to shrink the floor and pack the paint to prevent penetration. All he would need to do is fight through screens and close out on shooters.

Jajwanda · Post #1031 » by **Jajwanda** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 3:13 am

What about something simple like Pat Mills and signing Daquan Cook? That's a decent combo, very simple too. Then if we can upgrade during the year we do so in a larger deal.

hoops_32 · Post #1032 » by **hoops_32** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 3:16 am

I'd rather upgrade during the offseason. I would hope that we have a better offseason than that.

KingLakers · Post #1033 » by **KingLakers** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 3:17 am

You'll still need to do something about Blake and Fisher and what if Shannon doesn't opt out. There will be a total logjam in the backcourt.

Jajwanda · Post #1034 » by **Jajwanda** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 3:24 am

If you go back and look at the numbers Brown was very effective in one particular lineup when he was play alongside Kobe Bryant. Period end of story. He needs Kobe and a spot-up shooter alongside of him to be effective. Whether that's Blake or Fisher it doesn't matter. Brown cannot be the guy with the ball in his hands later on. He's useful, very useful. He just needs high bball IQ players next to him. I don't know how you bridge that gap and prevent him from becoming that late ball chucker and the team knew that but they conveniently ignored it and expected him to somehow be the guy creating shots for himself. He's not that. What he is when he's focused and he has someone trying to take minutes from him is a guy that will play defense, plays well on the fast break, can hit open shots (catch and shoot he's actually pretty good now), cut to the rim, and can be a terror on the offensive glass.

Part of the reason Blake-Brown-Barnes all looked like **** in the end is they should not be playing together.

fongie24 · Post #1035 » by **fongie24** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 3:33 pm

Jajwanda wrote:Chalmers looks good right now I wonder if they'd give him an offer. Good defender, good shooter, can drive a bit off the pick and roll. Nothing amazing but certainly upgrades your defense and he's a FA.

Miami might not match.

I also like Chalmers. He's young, his shot has gotten much better which can help spread the floor, and he doesn't seem to be selfish. I think he would fit good with Kobe and the defensive mind of Brown. We can't expect a home run in terms in landing a PG but I think he would do the trick. I don't think MIA would put up too much of a fight either if we were to try to sign him. They might strictly because we are the Lakers lol

Of course Felton would be my first option if we could get him, but its probably a long shot. I'd take signing Chalmers over trading for Flynn if it came down to it.

Jetset · Post #1036 » by **Jetset** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 4:04 pm

Jajwanda wrote:What about something simple like Pat Mills and signing Daquan Cook? That's a decent combo, very simple too. Then if we can upgrade during the year we do so in a larger deal.

Enough of these small deals Jajwanda. Mills and Cook aren't going to make us that much better and put us over the top. And as far as upgrading during the year, we should be looking at better pieces in the offseason to sign and possibly trade along with say Bynum. Mills and Cook aren't going to get us anything, even packaged with Bynum.

The_Trade_Seer · Post #1037 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 5:47 pm

Jetset wrote:I don't see Denver taking Walton. Besides you're forgetting that there may be an amnesty clause and Walton could simply be waived. Unless you have someone else in mind to use the clause on instead of Walton, in which I'd like to hear.

I can promise you that Mitch would do something as foolish as drafting Honeycutt with that 22nd overall pick.

I'm not forgetting the amnesty thing and really, really hope it happens ... I'm just sort of operating on the basis that it doesn't exist until it exists, so to speak. I do think we would amnesty Luke if it comes to that.

The_Trade_Seer · Post #1038 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 5:48 pm

Jajwanda wrote:Chalmers looks good right now I wonder if they'd give him an offer. Good defender, good shooter, can drive a bit off the pick and roll. Nothing amazing but certainly upgrades your defense and he's a FA.

Miami might not match.

Chalmers is KEY for the Heat. Without him they would not even be in the Finals this year, I truly believe that. The kid can ball, was a steal in the draft, and should get $6+ mil a year this offseason ... we could throw our full MLE at him but I would expect Miami to match it.

The_Trade_Seer · Post #1039 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 5:50 pm

KingLakers wrote:Also AI-in-LA if there is an amnesty Harrington is the likeliest guy gone in Denver.

I agree but am just operating on the basis that the amnesty clause doesn't exist, as well, it doesn't exist ... yet.

And I don't think a trade like this will be made during the draft.

I agree though I am hoping for a big draft day trade.

The most I think the Lakers will do in the draft is trade their 2 higher 2nd round picks to move into the bottom part of the first round (25-30). And if they move up I don't see them going big I think they'll get a PG even with a Felton trade the Lakers need some serious youth in the backcourt.

I agree with this too.

The_Trade_Seer · Post #1040 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Wed Jun 8, 2011 5:56 pm

hoops_32 wrote:I think that the Denver deal is only possible if Harrington is included instead of Anderson because he has the bigger contract.

Absolutely not. There is no way we need to take back Al, no way. Odom has more value around the league than Felton and the age old adage of "you don't trade big for little" still generally applies. If we are trading a higher quality player that is a big for a little, we are the team that will reap the benefits, meaning another solid player with a decent contract or a draft pick, etc, not the Nuggets!

I like Felton because he would be an upgrade at PG but he only has 1 year left and could leave after the season.

Why would anyone bolt LA? That just doesn't happen. Felton would never want to leave LA after playing there for a year and knowing he could be the starting PG on a title contending team in the city of angels, not gonna happen.

I would much rather try and trade for Jose Calderon because he likely won't cost us any core players and would be a good fit for our new offense that likely includes more pick and rolls, post ups and outside shooting. While Calderon's defense isn't great we could trade up to get a combo guard in the draft like Malcolm Lee or Iman Shumpert who are athletic and play good defense.

The only thing I would offer for Calderon is a Walton and Blake combo. I doubt the Raps would take that even if they are going to draft a PG like Kemba Walker.