Lakers 2016 NBA draft #2 pick discussion

[Showtime:Part2]

i was pretty high on ingram initially but the more i watch him, the more he looks like a rashard lewis clone. certainly not a bust or bad player, just not a superstar.

Dude no....
Rashard never shot from distance this clean
Rashard was in the physical defensive hands on era that does not live in todays nba
Rashard was not known for his character or work ethic
Rashard never had Ingram's handles or played his D

Rashard was pick 32 for a good reason

Ingram is longer, shoots better, has better character, plays better D, passes better... there is literally no comparison... explain that awful totally heinous comparison beyond 6'10" small forward.

it's hard to find hs stats on lewis, but i did find this link: http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/1998_draft/Players/lewis.htm

he shot 71% fg in hs. 71! I doubt he did that without a good 3 ball. also lewis was a pretty good 3pt shooter in the nba.

i don't know what the change in era has to do with comparing them as players.

character/work ethic-i can't speak to this. i don't know what was ever said about lewis.

handles/D: if we are comparing hs stats-lewis averaged 5bpg to ingrams 3. we unfortunately cant compare college bc lewis never went. handles, ya ingram is probably better but by a whole lot? not sure about that.

they are lanky guys that can shoot and create their own offence with averageish athleticism. i think the comparison isnt that far off. that being said, ingram can always develop into a better player with a better work ethic. nobody is denying that. this is just my base case.

[Jakay]

My usual draft stance:

I know nothing about any of these players beyond the hype machine, which is usually wrong about a whole slew of players, so I reserve of all judgement of any pick until I see them on the floor in an NBA setting. That's what team scouting crews are for. But as always, I'm excited to see who ends up being picked.

And I certainly don't go by the fans' reactions. If that was the case the Laker's would have a so-so center and whatever his face was instead of Nance, which the fanbase cried foul over. What was his name again? Mr Nobody special?

[zzou41]

My usual draft stance:

I know nothing about any of these players beyond the hype machine, which is usually wrong about a whole slew of players, so I reserve of all judgement of any pick until I see them on the floor in an NBA setting. That's what team scouting crews are for. But as always, I'm excited to see who ends up being picked.

And I certainly don't go by the fans' reactions. If that was the case the Laker's would have a so-so center and whatever his face was instead of Nance, which the fanbase cried foul over. What was his name again? Mr Nobody special?

Not to forget the Knicks Fans reaction to Porzingis .. See what they say now!
It's always the same with draft picks, in most cases only time will tell

[The Prodigy]

I tried watching tonight's draft special on ESPN and it was impossible. Jay Bilas citing Simmons' 7' inch wingspan as a positive, Wilbon using college wins as his primary scouting criterion, that trade machine dude trading Russell for Okafor….

Also, Wilbon officially has a major ax to grind with Russell. He cites sources insinuating Russell didn't learn from the Swaggy incident. I wonder why the only report about that comes from a guy who's taken major issue with Russell's "cockiness" for a while now.

[Spens1]

I tried watching tonight's draft special on ESPN and it was impossible. Jay Bilas citing Simmons' 7' inch wingspan as a positive, Wilbon using college wins as his primary scouting criterion, that trade machine dude trading Russell for Okafor….

Also, Wilbon officially has a major ax to grind with Russell. He cites sources insinuating Russell didn't learn from the Swaggy incident. I wonder why the only report about that comes from a guy who's taken major issue with Russell's "cockiness" for a while now.

you where watching also

they are really trying to push that deal. Who cares what the hell Swaggy thinks he's one of the worst players to ever don a laker uniform (i'd say Kwame Brown and Smush Parker are worse though by a distance but he's still top 5 worst to ever play for us). He's 20, he's younger than most of the players in the draft he will learn.

Thankfully Mitch seemingly has more brains than these idiots at ESPN.

Also someone just said we should draft Dunn at 2 i can't even

[moonpie]

Saw some of the predraft show. It was LOLworthy. ESPN really trying to push Ford's make-believe rumor that Russell is seriously on the block. Wilbon is a dumbass plain and simple. He supported Byron's methods because they're "old-school" so that automatically disqualifies him from rational analysis.

[The Skyhook]

"You hear trade talks," Russell said on Tuesday at the Lakers' practice facility. "Then you get a text from your GM saying he trusts your work ethic and don't worry about it."
Russell represents one of the few assets the Lakers could dangle in a trade for a veteran or for another draft pick. But it doesn't appear Russell's future is in question. He has spent most of the offseason working out at the practice facility and peppering Lakers coach Luke Walton with questions over the phone.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/dangelo-russell-confident-lakers-wont-trade-him/

[AcecardZ]

The incident with Swaggy may have been a good thing. If D'Angelo thinks he's on a short leash perhaps he took the off-season a little more seriously and worked harder?

[The Skyhook]

The incident with Swaggy may have been a good thing. If D'Angelo thinks he was on a short leash perhaps he took the off-season a little more seriously and worked harder?

Could be but I think these kids always worked hard. If there was one thing these kids picked up from Kobe it was his work ethic.

[iamworthy]

More speculation by me. I think Russell is about as close to untouchable on this team as anyone can get. Mitch clearly has no reason to come out and admit that. If anything it keeps Russell working hard...not that he wouldn't be if he knew he was untouchable. Russell is the youngest player in the history of basketball to hit at least 130 3pt shots in a rookie season. Now you bring in a coach that's going to bring in a offense that plays to his strengths and people want to believe chad fords nonsense....

[AcecardZ]

I'm perfectly happy with Russell also. Young guys on rookie deals with future all star potential are HUGE assets!

[Kilroy]

Personally, I think there's a deal in place for Russell and Simmons if Simmons somehow falls to us for Cousins and 8... Maybe with a S/T Clarkson to make money work... If the sixers take Simmons, we pick Ingram and be fine with that.
Trading Russell for a draft pick is obviously silly... But I'm willing to bet we've had discussions with a lot of people and I'm sure Russell was floated here and there, but not as a single trade. There has to be more going on than that.

[iamworthy]

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[Danny Darko]

i was pretty high on ingram initially but the more i watch him, the more he looks like a rashard lewis clone. certainly not a bust or bad player, just not a superstar.

Dude no....
Rashard never shot from distance this clean
Rashard was in the physical defensive hands on era that does not live in todays nba
Rashard was not known for his character or work ethic
Rashard never had Ingram's handles or played his D

Rashard was pick 32 for a good reason

Ingram is longer, shoots better, has better character, plays better D, passes better... there is literally no comparison... explain that awful totally heinous comparison beyond 6'10" small forward.

it's hard to find hs stats on lewis, but i did find this link: http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/1998_draft/Players/lewis.htm

he shot 71% fg in hs. 71! I doubt he did that without a good 3 ball. also lewis was a pretty good 3pt shooter in the nba.

i don't know what the change in era has to do with comparing them as players.

character/work ethic-i can't speak to this. i don't know what was ever said about lewis.

handles/D: if we are comparing hs stats-lewis averaged 5bpg to ingrams 3. we unfortunately cant compare college bc lewis never went. handles, ya ingram is probably better but by a whole lot? not sure about that.

they are lanky guys that can shoot and create their own offence with averageish athleticism. i think the comparison isnt that far off. that being said, ingram can always develop into a better player with a better work ethic. nobody is denying that. this is just my base case.

But you don't think Ingram has a decent shot at being an all-star?

[iamworthy]

Personally, I think there's a deal in place for Russell and Simmons if Simmons somehow falls to us for Cousins and 8... Maybe with a S/T Clarkson to make money work... If the sixers take Simmons, we pick Ingram and be fine with that.
Trading Russell for a draft pick is obviously silly... But I'm willing to bet we've had discussions with a lot of people and I'm sure Russell was floated here and there, but not as a single trade. There has to be more going on than that.

I was thinking the 2nd pick plus Randle for Cousins:

PG: Rondo
Center: WCS
PF: Randle
SF: Ingram
Gaurd: ?

Thats what I envisioned. I dont think Cousins will fetch what they think he will. In the end he will be a free agent and leave them high and dry.

[Michael Lucky]

I"m already looking forward to summer league with Ingram and Russell now that we know who we're picking. Luckily it isn't a very long wait after the draft.

[iamworthy]

I"m already looking forward to summer league with Ingram and Russell now that we know who we're picking. Luckily it isn't a very long wait after the draft.

Agree. And Russell, Ingram, and Randle will be on the USA select team.

[Sofa King]

I"m already looking forward to summer league with Ingram and Russell now that we know who we're picking. Luckily it isn't a very long wait after the draft.

Agree. And Russell, Ingram, and Randle will be on the USA select team.

[The Skyhook]

Personally, I think there's a deal in place for Russell and Simmons if Simmons somehow falls to us for Cousins and 8... Maybe with a S/T Clarkson to make money work... If the sixers take Simmons, we pick Ingram and be fine with that.
Trading Russell for a draft pick is obviously silly... But I'm willing to bet we've had discussions with a lot of people and I'm sure Russell was floated here and there, but not as a single trade. There has to be more going on than that.

I was thinking the 2nd pick plus Randle for Cousins:

PG: Rondo
Center: WCS
PF: Randle
SF: Ingram
Gaurd: ?

Thats what I envisioned. I dont think Cousins will fetch what they think he will. In the end he will be a free agent and leave them high and dry.

I would do that move in a heartbeat but I have a strong feeling the starting price would be Russell and the number 2. I've grown to like Russell a lot and see him as a special player. As much as I like Cousins, I don't want to give him up in a trade.

[AcecardZ]

It doesn't do us any good to bring in Cousins if we can't pair him up with anything. Trading away Russell and Randle or Russell and Ingram to get Cousins would be awful.

Russel and Ingram on Rookie deals are individually better than Demarcus Cousins. Paired together it would be one of the worst trades in NBA history.

If Demarcus wasn't such a powder keg it would be different but he's too much of an uncertainty.

And yes we can sign Cousins to a max deal and still have $$$ left. Say we pair him with KD. Those two alone aren't winning anything as we wouldn't be in position to surround them with the necessary role players. Who would the PG be etc?