Official 2015 NBA Draft Discussion Thread [ft. TyCobb]

[NBAWestFan]

How about trade down a bit and get Kaminsky and a future pick?

I think since the Center is not the future and the SF are not all that sure.

Towns and Okafor still have 3 to 4 years to develop.

Kaminsky will take 1 year or less to fit into a system dominated by alot of guard play.

This guy can compliment a Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, KD.

He fits in.

[LApwnd]

How about trade down a bit and get Kaminsky and a future pick?

I think since the Center is not the future and the SF are not all that sure.

Towns and Okafor still have 3 to 4 years to develop.

Kaminsky will take 1 year or less to fit into a system dominated by alot of guard play.

This guy can compliment a Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, KD.

He fits in.

we have those guys on our team? and Kaminsky is a role player at best IMO, channing frye type. He has a post game at the college lvl but he wont be able to overpower NBA bigs like that and he'll have to rely on his perimeter game

[moonpie]

Pre-combine rankings:

1-Russell
2-Towns
3-Okafor
4-Winslow
5-Cauley-Stein
6-Hezonja
7-Mudiay
8-Johnson
9-Kaminsky
10-Turner
11-Dunn
12-Porzingis
13-Lyles
14-Grant/Looney

[ALL HAIL]

Don't sleep on Kris Dunn miggs.

He's the guy I want if they trade up to the middle of the draft.

Bigman with the high pick; PG with the other pick; a 3&D knockdown shooter (Michael Frazier) at guard in the second round.

I like Kris Dunn so much, I'd consider dumping Clarkson (with Nick Young) to get him.

I'd do a Clarkson, Young, Houston pick trade to Milwaukee for their pick (Kris Dunn) and Mayo, but I highly doubt Milwaukee would be interested.

you have that Hienki mentality.....trading a proven player for "hopes/dreams" ala Sixers trading MCW for pick Pho owns from us. While MCW nor Clarkson are proven stars, they have proven they can play in this league. You're just "hoping" Dunn turns out as good.

Call it whatever you want; I'm just not that enamored with Clarkson -- I am with Dunn.

Many on this board would trade Clarkson for DeAngelo Russell (moon pie). It's no different.

It'll never happen, but the fact that I have more confidence in a more talented PG and would trade the flash in the pan PG we currently have is only made stronger by the idea of jettisoning Nick Young and acquiring OJ Mayo as well.

I like the idea of using an asset to accomplish a goal of upgrading at a position of need and acquiring an established combo guard who is more dynamic defensively.

Is it a risk? Yessir. But I believe in my instincts as a knowledgable basketball person of many years.

[LApwnd]

Call it whatever you want; I'm just not that enamored with Clarkson -- I am with Dunn.

Many on this board would trade Clarkson for DeAngelo Russell (moon pie). It's no different.

It'll never happen, but the fact that I have more confidence in a more talented PG and would trade the flash in the pan PG we currently have is only made stronger by the idea of jettisoning Nick Young and acquiring OJ Mayo as well.

I like the idea of using an asset to accomplish a goal of upgrading at a position of need and acquiring an established combo guard who is more dynamic defensively.

Is it a risk? Yessir. But I believe in my instincts as a knowledgable basketball person of many years.

While Russell is a projected top 4 pick, Dunn is projected at the late 20's (on certain sites) so your comparison is quite a fail as anybody would trade Clarkson for a top 4 pick. So yes I would question your instinct when you're willing to throw away a player that's proven capable for a guy that could already be had with merely just the Hou pick and as for your proposal, its quite delusional to think a team like the Bucks would trade back nearly 10 spot to take on a player that we hate and owed more money and they already have their PG of the future with MCW

[DEEP3CL]

Two teams could throw a big wrench in this lottery if they win it, that's Sacramento and Minny. Even if they don't win and say finish in the top 5 or so this will throw the whole draft off. Let's take the Kings for example, if they won say the 2 spot...they now have leverage to trade pick or make the pick and say they draft Towns at two. This means Cousins is up for grabs if a team can entice them. I don't see teams going the Twin Tower method anymore. And Minny has Pek...but they may unload his butt in a heartbeat if they get the 1 or 2 spot.
This is something to keep an eye on.

[TheHartBreakKid]

Ive been doing a good deal of internet scouting, and I must admit, Dunn is going to be a definite steal. I think Dunn can be a solid starting point guard for years to come, and with a draft with so many point guards, and with pg being a position where so many teams already have solid starters, I do agree that we should go after Chris Dunn. However, I don't agree trading Clarkson, even if it means getting rid of Young. I actually think we should do the opposite of that; we should dangle our later picks and absorb a bad contract while keeping Clarkson in an attempt to get a pick in the teens, and land Dunn.

I think the idea partner for such a trade is PHX...IF, we either land one of the bigs (unlikely) or Winslow (more likely). If we land Russell or Muliday, then I see no need for pursuing Dunn, unless we trade Clarkson, which like I said I don't agree with. But if we need another guard, Dunn is ideal and PHX is a good team to trade with. Regarding teams who may draft a point guard with a projected better pick than the Suns, the only ideal candidate is the Pacers. Literally every other team in that range has a very solid starting point guard, or a solid prospect. Dunn is the second best point guard prospect imo, and the pacers could very easily go that route, but they may see a better option depending on their position. If they don't draft him however, there is a very high possibility that he is still on the board when PHX is drafting, a team who has two pretty good point guards already, a cheap owner who would probably love to save some money, and get some unguaranteed assets. We have the Houston pick, and two second rounders we could offer, and the ability to take on an undesirable contract.

The suns have a bunch of players to resign, mainly Brandon Knight and Gerald Green, and may want to dump someone like Tucker. Even if they don't, they have lots of depth and a late first and two second rounders isn't a terrible start to start an offer.


Basically, my whole point is that if we really want someone in the middle of the draft, we should be able to find a way to get him without having to give up Clarkson. As good as Dunn may be eventually, he probably wont be ready to start next year, and he would benefit from playing behind Clarkson, and its not like Dunn and Clarkson cant coexist after Kobe. Sure, this is all probably very unlikely, but I think with some creativity it is very possible. If the Rockets gave us a pick to take on one year of lin, and Im sure we could get another pick to maybe package with the Houston pick to move up on the draft if we really wanted a prospect. Taking on bad contracts isn't the worst thing that could happen, considering we don't have too many likely FA targets and with the Cap shooting up any bad contract will seem slightly better.

[TheHartBreakKid]

or maybe like the on All Hail mentioned, but without us giving up Clarkson and without Mil absorbing Young. Just them dumping Mayo (assuming they see him as someone with negative trade value), and changing picks with us with the Houston pick, with the second rounders/future assets as sweeteners. Not saying these deals are likely or will happen, but there is potential, and I have faith in Mitch.

[Rafer24]

Kaminsky is basically Spencer Hawes.

[ak7]

Kaminsky is basically Spencer Hawes.

Spencer Hawes goes to sleep dreaming and praying to the big man above that his offensive game could be as versatile as Kaminsky's.

[Penberthy]

You guys can all go crazy on me if you want, but I actually see a lot of Pau in Kaminsky's game.

[LApwnd]

You guys can all go crazy on me if you want, but I actually see a lot of Pau in Kaminsky's game.

I'd be the 1st to bow to you if Kaminsky ever turned into an elite lvl player like Pau. Doesn't even have to have the same game but have that impact that Pau had with us. My money is on him being nothing more than a backup stretch 4/5.

[ALL HAIL]

You guys can all go crazy on me if you want, but I actually see a lot of Pau in Kaminsky's game.

That's not crazy at all dude.

They're both tremendously skilled and tall. That in itself warrants the comparison.

We both know there are marked differences, but I'll leave that to others to point out the obvious.

[Rafer24]

Kaminsky is basically Spencer Hawes.

Spencer Hawes goes to sleep dreaming and praying to the big man above that his offensive game could be as versatile as Kaminsky's.

We´ll see, but i´m not high on Kaminsky. I think he will struggle big.

[crazyeights]

Good to know KAT and 6 of his Wildcats declared.

[moonpie]

Stay away from the Harrison twins and Dakari Johnson

[LApwnd]

for those in the know, draftnet. has us taking Rj Hunter with Hou pick, with Cook entering now his projection is in the same range. Who would you guys prefer, Hunter or Cook?

[miggs]

Stay away from the Harrison twins and Dakari Johnson

I wasn't impressed with Harrison twins at all, but why not Dakari? I liked him as a third big for us

[moonpie]

Stay away from the Harrison twins and Dakari Johnson

I wasn't impressed with Harrison twins at all, but why not Dakari? I liked him as a third big for us

Stiff, reminds me of, ironically, another Harrison-David Harrison. Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm perfectly fine with Tarik Black as the backup C

[Michael Lucky]

Stay away from the Harrison twins and Dakari Johnson

Not even sure Aaron H should be drafted.