Trades

[SlimShady83]

What's the point of trading Ingram to the Lakers if they are not going to get any FRPs? Okay they might lose him for nothing, but they can also trade him to the Bulls for Lavine then.

I think you already know the answer as you said It If other teams want to include pics for them, then sure go ahead but for Lakers no they shouldn't include their pics for these players. If comes down to last minute and nothing has come for NO/Bulls they want, then they might make the trade of salary matches only, who knows at that point?

Edit: I did a trade on spotrac for Ingram/Lavine straight swap, doesn't quite work need another player or 2 to make salarys work and since they not Lakers, not going to try

[danfantastk32]

I disagree with your take about Ingram. I've seen this guy being able to defend before and I believe if properly motivated, he can be a nice 2-way player.

Never heard anyone say CP3 "when properly motivated". Scottie Pippen never had "when properly motivated". Ever hear Karl Malone "when properly motivated"?? Bad sign in itself. your making half a million dollars everytime you take the floor. I don't think he's much of a defender ever...but even if he could be "when properly motivated"....who's got the magic sauce?

It was rumored several months back that Jeannie asked Lebron if he is open to go to the Warriors, if he WANTS TO, but him and Rich Paul said no, that he doesnt' want to be viewed as a quitter who would go to another team etc....

I've honestly never heard that rumor...but it could very well be true. If it is...I find that interesting. Almost like Jeanie see's the writing on the wall. If Lebron's reasoning is true as well....then Jeanie just needs to make the decision for everyone (Like a CEO/owner is supposed to) and declare they are rebuilding. Speak to AD and tell him to quickly look for trades to destinations he'd like. I'd even be willing to take a little bit (not alot) less...if it meant doing AD right. And then sit with Lebron, and agree that the Lakers will be "the bad guys here" and move him. Moving AD first will take all "quitter" talk away. We're rebuilding...we traded all of them away. It wouldn't tarnish Lebron's legacy in the slightest.

But I don't just want FRP's though. I want Podz, Kuminga and 2-3 FRPS.
AD can go back to Chicago for 3-4 picks AND Matas Buzelis.
So yes, I guess you won this Rebuild argument.

I'm totally open to young players who show promise. If we package AD off for 2-3 young players, and only 1 pick...I'm totally fine with that. The only issue with doing it that way is that there is a certain amount of 'uncertainty' with picks. What number pick will it be? will this guy translate into the league? Where-as a player who's 2 year in the league and is showing nice growth has alot of the uncertainty removed.....so if the player is really any good, he's worth much more....."1 in hand, is better than two in the bush" as the saying goes. So you may only end up with 1 young player...another player with much less promise, and maybe a pick.

So it would depend on the players we get....but sure...young players or picks are both fine with me.

Never meant to 'win' the rebuild argument.....I just don't see a better way. Our only other prayer would have been to have picked up a 3rd star who was a true impact player. But I don't see who that would realistically be...and even that window is quickly closing. I just don't want to hover around .500 anymore. "Sh** or get off the pot" as they say. And if you can't poo....then get off NOW, and move AD while there's still immense value. Cause even that door is closing. We're just fools to sit around in limbo like this!

[danfantastk32]

The only way I'd be at least a little bit ok with using picks, is if they went "All in" and were able to get someone transformational.

What's your definition of all In and how you plan on using the pics If all In? We need names btw I know pics Is spelt "Picks" but think it's more slick using pics

All In to me Is trading the pics by getting a superstar/all star In return and If that's the case with you, then which ones are available realistically, because there Isn't too many superstar/allstar players out there via trade at least atm and Lakers are looking to make moves sooner, not later. It's why there's so much talk especially on youtube about Lakers looking to make trades and include pics.

And yes agree no way In hell Is Schroeder and DFS worth pics, maybe 2nd round pics at best and you still have to do salary matching

Edit: please don't mentioned the nets players, there's also only a small handful of teams that will be interested In actually trading with Lakers IMO

Firstly...I mentioned the nets as a team looking to move guys for pure salary drops. They didn't want picks back. Just pointing to them as a team that fits the mold of where we should be looking. Not that I want any of them.

But back to top......all in is just that: all in. I gave you a name this last offseason. If we coulda got Donovan Mitchell, then I woulda been totally fine with moving heaven and earth to make it happen. All our picks, harsh salary caps, everything. I knew that was beyond a long shot. It's why I've stated constantly that we need to rebuild! Want names? Giannis....Ant-Edwards....I mighta done Paul George (would of been a disaster). I'd maybe go Devin Booker. We could prob go a tier down from that....but the more you skimp out, the greater the chance we don't make it. And if we're gonna essentially cripple any chance at rebuilding for the better part of a decade, then we better get someone DAMN GOOD...and they prob aughta be fairly young. Cause we're gonna need them for a while.

And again....this is why I say we need to rebuild. Ant-Man ain't coming. There's not a chance in hell the T-Wolves trade him here. Same with Booker, and the rest. I thought we mighta had a slight chance with Mitchell, since the Cavs were nothing special, and the owner has a propensity for not paying/building a winning team. But even then...I knew it was a hail mary. The chances of trading for the right players with the limited options we have, and the limited time-frame, is so low, that we shoulda been looking rebuild 2 years ago. And the SECOND Mitchell resigned with the Cavs, they should announced a fire-sale.

[danfantastk32]

It is really either give up a few 1sts and round out the roster for Lebron's last 2 years or just let things fall apart and maybe start the rebuild this summer. The in between is no man's land and that is where franchises die quick.

Yes....thank you! It's what I've been preaching for about 18months. I will just add though, that if the Lakers do indeed use their picks for a last push with Lebron....then that player better be amazing. Not an older and oft injured Embiid, or a too old Jimmy Butler. They need to get someone younger, and reliable. And someone who gets it done...like a Donovan Mitchell. Not Brandon Ingram, who apparently can't muster up the willpower, and therefore is sitting 4-18.

[SlimShady83]

Want names? Giannis....Ant-Edwards....I mighta done Paul George (would of been a disaster). I'd maybe go Devin Booker. We could prob go a tier down from that....

You really want the "Hail Mary's" don't you lol. Yeh none of them are happening, so until a star player like those flat out come and say they want trade to Lakers and only Lakers, then I really have no interest In talking about them, as It's moot until It happens.

I do remember you saying DM, but also said no chance at him I knew It too and even more so now. I just don't seem the point of talking about those players, unless they come out and ask for trade. I just don't see It happening heck If they're FA don't see them coming, but who knows with that.

[danfantastk32]

Want names? Giannis....Ant-Edwards....I mighta done Paul George (would of been a disaster). I'd maybe go Devin Booker. We could prob go a tier down from that....

You really want the "Hail Mary's" don't you lol. Yeh none of them are happening, so until a star player like those flat out come and say they want trade to Lakers and only Lakers, then I really have no interest In talking about them, as It's moot until It happens.

I do remember you saying DM, but also said no chance at him I knew It too and even more so now. I just don't seem the point of talking about those players, unless they come out and ask for trade. I just don't see It happening heck If they're FA don't see them coming, but who knows with that.

Totally agree. It's why I want to rebuild. Getting lesser players isn't enough. It either just wastes time, ticking AD's clock, or worse, it uses a valuable pick in our future.

I thought there was a slight chance that the Cavs would balk at Mitchell's contract demands, and would be open to a S&T with us for DLo Rui and 3 picks. Especially if that sounded good to Mitchell. Was always an outside - outside chance....but I was willing to agree that if some crazy thing like that fell into our lap, then I wouldn't fault the Lakers for trying. But what we're doing now is asinine. We're just watching AD's career cruise out of it's "prime" with nothing to show for it.

[SlimShady83]

And while Bron Is on the team Lakers aren't trading AD and still don't think will ever happen unless for the reasons I stated above, so might as well enjoy talking about possible trades that would help the team and try to help AD and keep him happy as he clearly needs help in the front court and has asked for It, another reason I'm high on Kessler/Richards and If you get someone like them and AD still wants to bolt post bron or what ever then you have back ups and can look at trading AD then and get pics back. just all fun and games until then.

there's been much talk about Lakers wanting Kessler/Sexton It's just they don't want to do the 2 pics and only want to do 1 pic all fair, just matter of who's going to pull the trigger first.

most others players talked about on youtube etc all teams seem to want pics back and there hasn't really been any talk about superstars looking to get traded

Richards atleast they only asking for 2 2nd round pics so Hayes or Lewis etc and 2 2nd's should get It done?

Another one on youtube talks/rumors Is; Jonas for Gabe and a couple 2nd's ... I mean I'm not a fan of Jonas but If that's all It takes then might be worth a look same as Richards, those 2 not costing much IMO. Lakers need a big and bigs are hard to come by.

[tamaraw08]

What's the point of trading Ingram to the Lakers if they are not going to get any FRPs? Okay they might lose him for nothing, but they can also trade him to the Bulls for Lavine then.

I think you already know the answer as you said It If other teams want to include pics for them, then sure go ahead but for Lakers no they shouldn't include their pics for these players. If comes down to last minute and nothing has come for NO/Bulls they want, then they might make the trade of salary matches only, who knows at that point?

Edit: I did a trade on spotrac for Ingram/Lavine straight swap, doesn't quite work need another player or 2 to make salarys work and since they not Lakers, not going to try

they would need other players and possibly a 3rd team to make it work but I am betting a good team like Miami would try to acquire Ingram.
Brandon is not a bad player, he’s 6-8 who can create scoring opportunities, pass, rebound and defend with the right coach and culture.

[SlimShady83]

Brandon is not a bad player, he’s 6-8 who can create scoring opportunities, pass, rebound and defend with the right coach and culture.

I like BI always have and wouldn't mind him back, but not for the cost of a FRP, salary matching maybe like DLO/Hayes or something I don't know just spit balling, but wouldn't include a FRP for him - I mean he was our FRP and trading a FRP for him to get him back, yeh no thanks lol.

[danfantastk32]

But some random guys aren't going to help the Lakers. Just make the drain circling take longer. So why do that?

[tamaraw08]

And while Bron Is on the team Lakers aren't trading AD and still don't think will ever happen unless for the reasons I stated above, so might as well enjoy talking about possible trades that would help the team and try to help AD and keep him happy as he clearly needs help in the front court and has asked for It, another reason I'm high on Kessler/Richards and If you get someone like them and AD still wants to bolt post bron or what ever then you have back ups and can look at trading AD then and get pics back. just all fun and games until then.

there's been much talk about Lakers wanting Kessler/Sexton It's just they don't want to do the 2 pics and only want to do 1 pic all fair, just matter of who's going to pull the trigger first.

most others players talked about on youtube etc all teams seem to want pics back and there hasn't really been any talk about superstars looking to get traded

Richards atleast they only asking for 2 2nd round pics so Hayes or Lewis etc and 2 2nd's should get It done?

Another one on youtube talks/rumors Is; Jonas for Gabe and a couple 2nd's ... I mean I'm not a fan of Jonas but If that's all It takes then might be worth a look same as Richards, those 2 not costing much IMO. Lakers need a big and bigs are hard to come by.

Davis started great but has really faltered the past 7 games, scoring less than 15 pts 4 times since Nov 23. Whether it's due to lingering injury or just not being right mentally and emotionally, I think it's time to consider moving him.
James not only has struggled shooting the ball but has not been playing good enough defense for some time now.
Miami called it a "winning culture", Clippers without Kawhi has been playing hard.
Dallas lost Doncic for 7 games and kept winning
while this team with 2 of their main players not missing games are getting butchered for like 5 times now. If not for facing Spurs and Jazz, and Knecht catching fire vs Memphis etc, this team would have been sub .500 right now.

[SlimShady83]

as I've said, Lakers not trading AD while Bron on the team, so until Bron Is off the team, then we can talk about trading AD

[SlimShady83]

Actually, just had a thought, If Y'all want AD gone now, Let's do It, Because this will pee off Bron and hopefully he'll retire or leave Lakers In the off season Ok I'm sold on trading AD then

[danfantastk32]

Actually, just had a thought, If Y'all want AD gone now, Let's do It, Because this will pee off Bron and hopefully he'll retire or leave Lakers In the off season Ok I'm sold on trading AD then

Well I don't "want AD gone"....This is no offense to AD. AD is a great player. And it's because he's so good, that we'll get by far, the most for him. We need to rebuild. Period. If I thought we'd get anything for Christie....I'd wanna trade him.

Look...the ownership just needs to call Lebron and AD up to their office and just tell them "this ain't working. We don't have cap space, and we've been .500 for the last 4 years. So we're gonna start a rebuild. Get with your agent...sniff the vibes out there. Where would you like to go? We'll do our best to get you there....as long as we aren't losing a much better deal."

Politely remind Lebron and AD that it was THEY that demanded Brick join the Lakers, and we made that happen. It was a disaster, and so sorry....but after 4 (now going on 5) years of essentially .500 basketball, it's time to move AD for picks, and start a rebuild. Lebron has a no trade clause....so he can do what he wants. If I were Jeanie....I'd let him know he's welcome to stay, and he'd still be the captain of the team, and start, and all that. But we are going to start rebuilding...so if he'd like to get moved somewhere, we'd be more than willing to make it happen the best that we could.

Lebron will retire long before our rebuild really starts to take shape anyhow...so what he does is neither here nor there. I'd personally rather move him, and try to get SOMETHING...but that's just in the vein of getting as many picks as we can going into the rebuild.

[loveshaq007]

The best trade we should do,

trade LeBron, bronny, wood, Maxwell... for butler, JJ, and love

[danfantastk32]

The best trade we should do,

trade LeBron, bronny, wood, Maxwell... for butler, JJ, and love

Well two issues: Lebron has a no-trade clause. The Lakers can make it ugly, and force him out...which would be weird, and prob a huge mistake down the line. So I don't think that will happen. 2nd....this trade sorta makes this about moving Lebron. Again, your gonna get in a weird tit-for-tat with the guy.

Just tell them that it's time to rebuild! Simple. Clean. No hard feelings...but the window has closed. Sure, it might sting a little...ego's will be bruised....but it has been .500 for 4 years. I mean, everyone in the NBA knows the Lakers aren't doing anything this year either. This is all just standard NBA business.

And it's what we really need to do anyhow.

[tamaraw08]

Actually, just had a thought, If Y'all want AD gone now, Let's do It, Because this will pee off Bron and hopefully he'll retire or leave Lakers In the off season Ok I'm sold on trading AD then

Golden State have lost 5 straight games, Steph and Dray would probably consider going to Lebron to convince him to join forces. GSW AND Lakers would need all other superstars to get injured to have a puncher’s chance at the title.
AD can go home to Chicago

[SlimShady83]

Actually, just had a thought, If Y'all want AD gone now, Let's do It, Because this will pee off Bron and hopefully he'll retire or leave Lakers In the off season Ok I'm sold on trading AD then

Golden State have lost 5 straight games, Steph and Dray would probably consider going to Lebron to convince him to join forces. GSW AND Lakers would need all other superstars to get injured to have a puncher’s chance at the title.
AD can go home to Chicago

[SlimShady83]

It's my Friday and I've been drinking, hence all the posts haha forgive me. I'm going to go on spotrac and get a trade going for you guys and see If I can trade AD to the Bulls and see what happens BRB

[SlimShady83]

AD to the Bulls trades below.

Trade 1) AD for Lavine works straight up and of course we want what 3 pics In return right???

Trade 2) Vucevic and Lonzo for AD + we get 3 pics back?

Trade 3) Lonzo, Giddey, Coby FOR AD + we get 3 pics back

Trade 4) Ayo, Lonzo, Coby FOR AD + we get 3 pics back

Ok that's It for now LOL, so which trade Y'all want?